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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 5:45:35 PM   
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No, but your strawman is amusing. If someone is insulting me, fine, not everyone is going to like me; but don't pretend you're* not one of the assholes while taking cowardly swipes at people.


I can live with "asshole" but how do you figger "cowardly".

You jumped on a bandwagon; helped make it a mob attack against someone relatively new to the way of these boards.

Whereas I followed your own advice - "Either have the guts to say it straight out, or don't even bother." Since I did "bother", by your new logic I'm now a coward for saying it "straight out"?

Lmao, and *I'm* the strawman? No wonder you instinctively gravitate to bandwagons for direction....



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Who's the coward now?

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 6:14:18 PM   
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I think I opened a can of worms,lol. However, very insiteful opinions.

also, I would like some of those cookies. I LOVE cookies. And those are pretty.

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 6:16:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin

No, but your strawman is amusing. If someone is insulting me, fine, not everyone is going to like me; but don't pretend you're* not one of the assholes while taking cowardly swipes at people.


I can live with "asshole" but how do you figger "cowardly".

You jumped on a bandwagon; helped make it a mob attack against someone relatively new to the way of these boards.

Whereas I followed your own advice - "Either have the guts to say it straight out, or don't even bother." Since I did "bother", by your new logic I'm now a coward for saying it "straight out"?

Lmao, and *I'm* the strawman? No wonder you instinctively gravitate to bandwagons for direction....



quote:

*general use

Who's the coward now?

Focus.


I posted my opinion in a public thread. You don't like my opinion, I don't really give a damn. I'm sure neither of us will lose sleep over it.

ETA: None of what you posted to me above makes a bit of sense.

I wasn't calling you cowardly, but people in general, (hence the general form of you) who hide their insults in smiles and fake nice. You haven't done that. Do I think you're an asshole who can't read..well, yeah, but so the hell what. I'm just some stranger on CM. Do I think BD took the coward's way out by her passive-aggressive bullshit..yeah, but again, who really cares, at the end of the day. I'm not saying straight talk and assholery go hand in hand, but veiled insults is far worse. Assholes I don't mind, and I can deal with assholes just fine, so long as they are forthright, but someone cloaking their insults in fake sugar is cowardly, in my opinion

If you disagree with me, hey, whatever blows your hair back.

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 7:07:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin


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Wow.....It's just something I do :(,

I am sorry if you read it that way, none of my posts have been condescending, just stating that being under consideration can work or I kinda thought that's what I was doing.

I hope that gives others hope too, if you misunderstand me I do apologize but it was never intended.

I never realized some people on the forums were so aggressive, maybe trying to help isn't a good idea.

Some of the smilies are creepy too, I use an emote instead...and have on many forums, most never thought anything of it, myself included...kind of shocked at the replies really, I'd have thought it someone didn't like how I responded or if maybe I was doing something that may appear mean they would have the courtesy of IM'ing me.

Saying someone looks like a idiot or stupid because of a few words on their profile isn't nice either, I don't care what people have on their profiles, everyone's entitled to do it their way, whatever works for them.

Beauty.

You know what else isn't nice? Wrapping your bullshit insults in smiles and fake niceties. Either have the guts to say it straight out, or don't even bother.


Since you've quoted it, I've gotta assume you read the same post I just did.... So the gist of your reply here is that a new poster needs to demonstrate the same crude, aggressive and cliquey style as you just have, or not at all?

BeautyDebased, no-one likes a "smiling assassin" - it makes you appear sociopathic (and creepy). If you're gonna confront a stranger(?) as you did initially with sirsholly, then put yourself in a r/l situation and ask yourself if you'd be smiling at the time. Me. I don't mind a smiling assassin in r/l, because one has fair and reasonable opportunity to reply with a "Liverpool kiss".... Such is how it provokes.

Overall, I'd say thicken your skin a tad, that people will jump at a chance to get offended, esp when they have a point. I thought your "smile" was a nervous afterthought to take the edge off your words rather than overt condescension. But it made you an easy target for a (small) "feeding frenzy" - and the above post is how cowardly mob-rule tends to degenerate.

Focus.




Thankyou for the explanation,

In rl I'm really shy and I am shy here too, which is why I have lurked for so long before trying to add anything.

It's not always easy to get emotion across in a forum and I really didn't know some things online were taken so seriously, it's a forum and I guess I took it as seriously as that, no more.

I saw someone critisize a way some people do things and I responded to that since I considered it to be rude, I never swore, I wasn't overly rude, just trying to make a point....I think the reaction I got in return was way over the top for what was said and it shocked me really, at the end of the day it was one small comment, nothing more, no sinister motive or thought behind it or the "smiles".

Anyway, water under the bridge for me, I don't hold onto things like this, I just move on and hope everyone else will too.


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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 7:17:36 PM   
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Just for you, here is the OP and my initial response to it. Please note that the OP refers to what she's seen in profiles and NOT that which she has seen in r/l relationships. She further asks for our thoughts on *consideration online*.

Topics digress.... And one of the most common ways to sidetrack a discussion is when someone comes along and makes it all about them - regards it as a personal attack against their life choices in order (apparently) to take offense. Cues LadyNTrainer.

At some point (and I played my role), this went from the online wankers manipulating newbies - and please don't tell me this is news to you - to a r/l anti-poly meltdown. Hell, looks like I've even pissed off the cane toad from up in the soggy north (IB).

Ignoring the condescending overtone, you're right, I have no r/l experience of a poly relationship. That's choice (the horse*) - not ignorance or lack of opportunity etc. The few I've known of r/l (from a distance) seemed to change the regular cast more often than the old "Boston Legal" series. Which only reinforces my poly prejudices (the cart*)....

And still that's not the topic or the gist of my original reply.


Nope; it's the old trend of people going out of their way to get offended. Incapable of seeing a bigger picture than themselves.

Focus.


OK.  I cut out all of the crap in the middle so the quotes wouldn't be too extensive.  I know it's a pain in the tail for the Mods to have to come around and ask everybody to trim their quotes, so I'm hoping to avoid that.

On a quick side note, why do you always seem to think people are offended just because they don't agree with you?  I won't speak for anybody else, but I can promise you that a difference of opinion doesn't offend Me.  It's just conversation.  (Just to save you the trouble of writing so often that you think you're offending people.)

Back to topic..........

Since you were good enough to re-post the original, I'd ask you to read it again.  The OP doesn't say "online only".  It says "online".  Meaning it could be either online only, an online mention of their current status in meatlife, or anything in-between.    "Online only" meaning never met, etc, etc, may have been what the OP meant, but it's not what she said.  She asked what people thought of it when they saw it online.  The very same as it would have been on clip's profile when he joined the site.

I'm not familiar with the cast of Boston Legal or how often it changes around.  Exactly how many years does a poly family have to be in existence to beat the bar you've set?


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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 7:49:53 PM   
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quick question....what is "op"?

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 8:07:29 PM   
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Op = Original Poster = You (for this thread at least)

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 9:20:21 PM   
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also, I would like some of those cookies. I LOVE cookies. And those are pretty.



I demmand cookies immediately!

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RE: consideration? - 1/20/2011 11:19:06 PM   
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So, before I close my account, after reading this thread and having my own experience here at CM. I have to agree with those of you who say that "consideration" is a way for Doms to take subs off the market with no intention of anything else. When I first started reading I got pissed and had to stop myself from responding because... I know that "pissed" is a flag for simply... take another look. So I did. I questioned the Dom who was "considering" me. Got no response. Got played. Got done here at CM.

Doms should come with papers and references. Subbies should come with a HUGE shit detector.

Peace.

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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 1:36:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin

I posted my opinion in a public thread. You don't like my opinion, I don't really give a damn. I'm sure neither of us will lose sleep over it.

ETA: None of what you posted to me above makes a bit of sense.

I wasn't calling you cowardly, but people in general, (hence the general form of you) who hide their insults in smiles and fake nice. You haven't done that. Do I think you're an asshole who can't read..well, yeah, but so the hell what. I'm just some stranger on CM. Do I think BD took the coward's way out by her passive-aggressive bullshit..yeah, but again, who really cares, at the end of the day. I'm not saying straight talk and assholery go hand in hand, but veiled insults is far worse. Assholes I don't mind, and I can deal with assholes just fine, so long as they are forthright, but someone cloaking their insults in fake sugar is cowardly, in my opinion

If you disagree with me, hey, whatever blows your hair back.



*smiles* And when I push this button....

CeriseNin:
"ETA: None of what you posted to me above makes a bit of sense."

None? Let's just agree that's my shortcoming. Common ground, at last.

Focus.


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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 1:53:05 AM   
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Thankyou for the explanation,

In rl I'm really shy and I am shy here too, which is why I have lurked for so long before trying to add anything.

It's not always easy to get emotion across in a forum and I really didn't know some things online were taken so seriously, it's a forum and I guess I took it as seriously as that, no more.

I saw someone critisize a way some people do things and I responded to that since I considered it to be rude, I never swore, I wasn't overly rude, just trying to make a point....I think the reaction I got in return was way over the top for what was said and it shocked me really, at the end of the day it was one small comment, nothing more, no sinister motive or thought behind it or the "smiles".

Anyway, water under the bridge for me, I don't hold onto things like this, I just move on and hope everyone else will too.


I kinda figured your alleged passive/aggressive behaviour was somewhat deficient in the "aggressive" department. And some dom/mes should have your level of control. ;)

Lesson is to toughen your hide a tad and if you are set on confronting someone over what you perceive as a rude comment, then do it like you mean it. Personally, I thought sirsholly's comment was just a throw-away line not really meant to offend. A little dig in the ribs, as it were....

Be well. :)

Focus.


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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 1:54:25 AM   
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So, before I close my account, after reading this thread and having my own experience here at CM. I have to agree with those of you who say that "consideration" is a way for Doms to take subs off the market with no intention of anything else. When I first started reading I got pissed and had to stop myself from responding because... I know that "pissed" is a flag for simply... take another look. So I did. I questioned the Dom who was "considering" me. Got no response. Got played. Got done here at CM.

Doms should come with papers and references. Subbies should come with a HUGE shit detector.


To be fair, it cuts both ways. It takes patience and time, so don't give up and chuck it in just yet eh.

And I wouldn't call that "got done at CM".

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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 1:58:11 AM   
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Good thread op, just a shame its taken the route it has. Personally I didn't see any big deal in the 'smile' but then perhaps I don't find that sort of stuff offensive. Water off a ducks back an all that. I didn't find anything offensive in the initial reprimand either but what followed was not nice. Nobody deserves to be hung drawn and quartered for using an inappropriate expression.

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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 2:51:52 AM   
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On a quick side note, why do you always seem to think people are offended just because they don't agree with you?  I won't speak for anybody else, but I can promise you that a difference of opinion doesn't offend Me.  It's just conversation.  (Just to save you the trouble of writing so often that you think you're offending people.)

Crikey, I hardly know where to begin...!

From the bottom; it's clearly no trouble for me as I don't think I've once written that I think I'm offending people. If I've actually done it as a consequence of writing a post, well that'd be for them to infer and say so.

As for those I say go out of their way to get offended; I see a common theme in the behaviour of certain individuals which sidetracks and inflames a discussion, and say as much. Seems to me you're taking aim at the messenger here, not the instigator. I didn't come here to trash poly or anyone's r/l situations - it was they who made the topic about them and came out swinging with it.



quote:

Back to topic..........

Since you were good enough to re-post the original, I'd ask you to read it again.  The OP doesn't say "online only".  It says "online".  Meaning it could be either online only, an online mention of their current status in meatlife, or anything in-between.    "Online only" meaning never met, etc, etc, may have been what the OP meant, but it's not what she said.  She asked what people thought of it when they saw it online.  The very same as it would have been on clip's profile when he joined the site.


Let's see, CM is an online media (and the only place we know each other from), the OP asked about online (consideration) via this online media and mentioned what she'd read in profiles. Profiles? What, we're to assume she had a briefcase full of paper profiles she brought home from work or the library? How far do you wanna take the intrigue?

Unless I've missed something the OP has added in her subsequent posts to support your theories? If she meant r/l, seems like an obvious omission, no?



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Exactly how many years does a poly family have to be in existence to beat the bar you've set?


I'm sure there's a young and naive newbie somewhere who'll do that waltz with you.... My prejudices (and I acknowledged their existence) come from 57yrs life experience. Not evidence in a court of law to be sure, but the only "how many years" you'll get out of me is that I've been around long enough to know when something looks, walks and quacks like a duck, then yes, I'm confident I'm seeing a duck. And a dud, in this instance.... In MY *Opinion*.

Focus.


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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:12:58 AM   
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The "under consideration" is a bunch of bull.. One way to take a submissive out of the market , like someone says... Another way to control (imo, the wrong way)

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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:22:48 AM   
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This topic has been beaten to death (and then some more for those who are into necro)

but, IMO, Under Consideration means....

3rd grader:  I want her to be my girlfwiend, so tell everyone in gym class she is

3rd grader (the rest of em): She might be be his gf so no one play with her at recess

3rd grader:  She might be my gf soon.  WHACK!  The dodgeball hits her.  K now everyone knows you are my gf.  uhhhg

Grow up.  Ya either are or aren't interested, until you are sure, the other person is free to play jump-rope with the others ok!!




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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:34:11 AM   
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G'day Focus mate.

Aye it has been a while but both Neets and I had our computers down permenantly so mine are being rebuild and in the meantime I bought a new laptop. Now back to the thread and some posts. I can understand how a few folks can misunderstand how you post, stone the crows, I've done that and yet ~~~~~ At the end, the only thing we absolutely disagree on is the State of Origin (which is as it should be seeing I am in Qld and you in NSW). oft we sit at opposing ends of the debate but this is good to for I oft find new thoughs to explore in your posts and for this I thank you. I've said I need to regarding the main Subject of Consideration and even the subset regarding Poly. However I aver that it would be most excellent of more people placed posts which they are unsure of and even those which they disagree with "Under Consideration", they could even post asking for an explanation before attacking the post viciously and the poster. I am want to teach communication students to never attack an opponent, but to attack a post/argument after trying to understand what prompted someone to take the stance so we are able to discuss the matter in an adult rational manner.


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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:40:27 AM   
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I am want to teach communication students


Typo of the week. 8/10: smashing :)

PS: You're not really a teacher are you?

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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:49:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
I am want to teach communication students


Typo of the week. 8/10: smashing :)

PS: You're not really a teacher are you?



Actually old chap, if you study English as in UK English you will find the comment is both precise and correct. If you actually had been here long enough you may have gleaned \a couple of things:
I have a penchant for writing in a style more popular in Edwardian and late Victorian periods (which befits the Victorian Lifestyle I live).
I suffer from dyslexia.
I am not a teacher per se, but I do teach Life Skills with a background of both my training as an ordained Priest and a certified psychologist.

I'm sorry to say you failed your tests 4/10


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RE: consideration? - 1/21/2011 4:55:13 AM   
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I'm sorry to say you failed your tests 4/10


Had you used the word "wont" you might have been correct. But you didn't.

Epic fail on your part, old bean.

I am, however, pleased to note you don't teach. Phew.

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