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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 8:42:47 AM

Chaingang

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Sights can be ignored - you just look away. Smells and sounds cannot be ignored so easily. That's the difference.

There's a reasonableness factor here that many just want to ignore. It's just a collar and leash, it's not sexual. It may be symbolic - but no more so than Jesus on a necklace.

You want to talk grotesque? Think about some dude dying all bloody on a cross. Anyone watch that Mel Gibson movie? What was it called...?

Oh yeah, "Safewording at Gethsemene."

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 9:19:41 AM

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Those of us in the lifestyle are chosing a way to live our lives... The same way people everywhere do.... Some people are nudists, some people are smokers, some people have a passion for playing the drums. Thing is we have restrictions for nudists and smokers... and drummers might enjoy drumming as a huge part of their lives, but would not think it's okay to do it at the mall. Should we fight for the rights of the drummer to be able to display his lifestyle choice anywhere? I don't see that wishing to live a bdsm lifestyle is the same as fighting for the right to chose a partner of either gender, or equal rights for all races, colors and genders.

We have the right to live our lifestyle, we have a right to vote because of it.... having the common sense to express ourselves in a civil way in public is something we don't have.

Mistress Lorelei,

Selectively deciding which freedoms and liberties that are okay to surrender ultimately will result in complete surrender. The pervasive entitlement mentality people living in the US has generated a feeling that the Government should take care of all our comforts and help us with our shortcomings. While they are at it they should also eliminate anything that we are too weak to resist, like cigarettes or drugs. Also they should protect us from ourselves by requiring seat belts in cars and wearing helmets on a bike or motorcycle. If we hurt ourselves, fail to support ourself, or are just too lazy; the government should be there as a backstop. "I don't like to look at a person on leach - they look TOO happy. Officer - go over there and MAKE them stop!". Yeah - I see that as a reasonable attitude considering everything else.

It doesn't matter that the majority or minority feel uncomfortable; if one person is a non-smoker the building is non-smoking, the beach is non-smoking, the city is non-smoking. With the momentum, bills are pending to make your personal auto non-smoking and your house if you live with a minor. I don't smoke, but as a matter of personal freedom infringement, I'd fight against any law to ban smoking.

Look at the distance from logic you need if you just landed on this planet in Kansas. It's okay for the male species to show their nipples (which are there because nipples form before sexual identity is established in the fetus) but females can't. Well maybe it's because these are the "working model"? No - because when they are "working" it's okay to use them publicly for feeding. But if the person feeding can walk instead of being carried it's "disgusting".

You can't wait for your personal preference to come up as an issue to fight a battle. Personal preference, even in the majority, is not a cause for surrendering liberty. If that were the case gays or blacks, who are a minority, would still have no rights.

Political momentum is a force that requires constant vigilance. Although I am not a philosophical supporter of every torch th ACLU decides to pick up, but I support their overall philosophy which takes this exact position. ANY infringement of personal freedom, no matter how outside the mainstream, MUST be fought. This group, which was on the front line of the 1960's civil rights struggle now fights for the rights of KKK groups to march publicly. It takes a commitment and focus on the big picture to be able to do that.

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Living a bdsm lifestyle is no comparison to that of a black person sitting at the front of a bus, a gay person having a partner and the rights that go with it, or a minority having the same rights as a non-minority.

Not being a black person or gay, I can never have the perspective to their struggles or their efforts of overcoming prejudice and injustice. But your views of seeing a lifestyle person openly display their relationship commitment was the same argument used for the struggles of blacks and gays. People just "didn't want to see them". Perhaps Germany's WWII solution of eliminating the handicapped, the infirm, the gays, is too extreme an example for the US comparison, but at the same time in history, Franklin Roosevelt's confinement to a wheelchair was classified as "secret". Was it because we feared other countries would perceive us weak as a nation lead by a "cripple" or because people just "didn't want to see" handicapped people in wheelchairs?

Use the same mentality as you walk around today, and decide what you "don't want to see". Should there be a law against it?

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 9:47:39 AM

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I am careful to not attract unwanted attention...a simple collar with no leash or rolled up on the belt would be would be appropriate for the mall.Of course thats just MHO.

It may suck that people get discrimminated against,but the truth is we do.
Why bring it upon yourself by showing it in public places where there are kids around.

Myself and bishop have to act a certain way in public just because we are lesbians,its no different with BDSM.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 10:49:05 AM

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I do not think it's too much to ask for common sense to be displayed world-wide... sadly it has become all too common for sense not to be very common at all.

I have no problem in seeing a person being dragged by a leash by another person... I would lose a lot of respect for both parties as it would signal neither had much sense at all to me... but it's not about me... it's about the youth of society, and the values it teaches them. Should we not try to set an example and display decency and common sense whenever possible? Is common sense that difficult to display?

Society belongs to all of us... if one person smoking in a room causes breathing issues and long-term illness for others in the PUBLIC place.... why should one person be allowed to harm the rest? That's a bit different than a black person sitting at the front of a bus. Fighting for the rights of one, should not cause harm to others. Rosa Parks made a stand.... thank goodness, but if she had been smoking in the front of the bus in today's society, she would be causing harm to the rest of the bus... that's the difference.

As long as we are part of a society, we have the responsibility to act in accordance with it when it comes to 'harming' others physically or ethically. I think we all should do as we please, by all means... just respect the rest of those in the society you wish to live in while doing so, or express yourself in places where the type of behavior you are displaying will not harm others who do not wish to be harmed.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 10:53:18 AM

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Change IS possible...You just have to stand up and be counted. Really, I am sooo amazed that people seem to be missing this point. Political Correctness can, and does, have its good points, but it can also kill progress.

What type of change?.. Most people can practice BDSM in their lives without a great deal of trouble or contortion.

Just when I figure I'm done debating this thread, I can't help but try one more time...There's a huge principle at stake here, and many people seem oblivious to it.

Cin

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ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

I don't think people are oblivious to the *principle*.... just have different views and outlooks on whether *someone* being hassled for wearing a collar and leash in *some Mall** somewhere* is representative of the *principle*..I don't happen to think it is.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 10:59:53 AM

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Fighting for the rights of one, should not cause harm to others. Fighting for the rights of one, should not cause harm to others.

How is point of discussion, wearing a collar and leash, harming others?

Unless the catalyst for the initiation of dialog concerning relationships between a parent and child is considered harmful.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 11:03:03 AM

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Hello All,
If I'd been ask to leave a mall for being lead around on a collar I would have pointed out those wrist leashes adults use on their little kids in the mall to be sure the kid does not wander off being permitted. If they still insisted I leave I would have filed suit for age discrimination.
I know vanilla people may not understand or agree, but this is America where you can dress how ever you choose as long as your privates are not exposed.
I agree being naked or exposing yourself in front of kids or being hit in public is innapropriate, but being led on a leash causing expulsion. Just rediculous if you ask me.
What are they going to do next, make a minimum hem line or tell you what you can or can't wear as far as styles?
Things like this just remind me of how much BDSM people living in secret due to their fears allow vanilla people to keep us underground. If more people were willing to come out of the closet and fight for our rights we'd have more freedom. Being over 1/2 the people I know in this lifestyle keep their preferences like some big dark secret I see this will be slow coming if ever.
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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 11:29:11 AM

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Hello All,
If I'd been ask to leave a mall for being lead around on a collar I would have pointed out those wrist leashes adults use on their little kids in the mall to be sure the kid does not wander off being permitted. If they still insisted I leave I would have filed suit for age discrimination.
I know vanilla people may not understand or agree, but this is America where you can dress how ever you choose as long as your privates are not exposed.
I agree being naked or exposing yourself in front of kids or being hit in public is innapropriate, but being led on a leash causing expulsion. Just rediculous if you ask me.
What are they going to do next, make a minimum hem line or tell you what you can or can't wear as far as styles?
Things like this just remind me of how much BDSM people living in secret due to their fears allow vanilla people to keep us underground. If more people were willing to come out of the closet and fight for our rights we'd have more freedom. Being over 1/2 the people I know in this lifestyle keep their preferences like some big dark secret I see this will be slow coming if ever.
Suzanne

Toddler leashes keep small children from being whisked away by predators and keep little ones (who scream bloody murder when you force them into a stroller) from getting lost. It really isn't the same as putting your capable adult on a pet lead and dragging them around behind you, on parade.
Yes, this is America, and you can, technically, wear what you wish. BUT, you can also accept the consequences of doing as you wish. After all, I could parade around in a tube top and hot pants, but, as a 300lb woman, I wouldn't do so in public. It's crude, and stupid, and downright yucky. I wouldn't want to see anyone else doing it, and I wouldn't do it either.
Sure, you can wear a leash and collar in public-technically. You can also accept that people will stare at you, some people make come up to you and ask you to cut it out, and if you refuse, someone may call security and ask you to leave.
If you're at a restaurant and your baby is screaming at the very tip top of his lungs, technically, you can stay. After all, you aren't breaking any laws, right? But you can also accept the consequence that your waiter may refuse to serve you, or the management might kick you out on your ass.
As I recall, the hem line wasn't a government restriction, but it was a requirement if you wished to attend certain schools. After all, that particular school didn't have to teach you. If you wanted to wear a skirt that showed off the backs of your upper thighs, you could. But you could also be sent home. It's a consequence of your action to be utterly inappropriate.

I've now seen the desire to "come out of the closet" or "preach to the people" about the wonderful world of BDSM about six times on this thread. I have no idea why people wish to "come out" so much. What are we, as S&Mers, being restricted from that is so costly and suppressing? Are you disregarded as humans? Do they lock you up in mental institutions? Can you not marry your submissive or dominant? Are you restricted from voting?

Some people have compared themselves to black people being restricted before the crm. What a crock of shit. You aren't being restricted from educating your kids in the same schools. You aren't being forced into only certain stores and only certain public bathrooms. You aren't being hanged from the nearest tree because of the color of your skin.

You like to beat each other. You like to keep your sub as your designated errand girl or boy, or you enjoy playing with horse tackle or pet supplies. You do D/s. You can even do D/s out in public, because it's rare that anyone will notice or care.
If you really want to get the public involved in D/s, pass out some fliers, or wear a tee that says "Ask me about my sexual orientation." Maybe you could host a class at The New School, or hold a meeting at your community center.
But wearing your whips, chains, and collars in the open air isn't going to promote your cause at ALL. If anything, it'll set about a rumor mill-Gosh Fran, look at those adults wearing floggers on their belts like criminals! Don't they have any decency?

Next, we're all going to meet up at the local pool wearing leather harnesses and cbt devices. After all, we're covering up all our privates! It's legal!

Good grief.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 11:29:49 AM

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Maybe all of society should just dress in matching track suits, shave themselves bald, and all learn to talk one language...Then no one's delicate sensibilities will be offended. Heaven forbid we should actually all learn to tolerate each other's differences.

Cin
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Hey, I saw that movie too!
Okay, I happen to think that they should have been more appropriate in where they wore their collars and leads. I also think that security was wrong to throw them out, if that's all they did was to wear the collar and lead. The world is not all about me though. The general consenses is, the majority has the vote. Even though the mall has a wide variety of people roaming around AND they're selling kinky goodies, the collar and leash were overload to the general public and could have set things in backward motion, instead of going forward with ease...at this time, that is.
I seem to recall when the hippies started in San Francisco, we were ousted from many areas until we found those areas that accepted us. Going to a church in hippy attire, many were told to leave, yet other churches said, "Come to our church, God doesn't care how you dress." The hippies congregated to an area where they were more accepted, little stores converted over and began to cater to them. More and more stores opened in that area. The area became known and they created a paper that they handed around to let anyone who would take one, know where they could come in peace. Height and Ashbury. The area continued to grow. They grew, bands sang of it. The hippies spread out. Radio stations told where everyone could go and drop in/drop out. Stores downtown started to carry the clothing, they certainly know the value of the dollar.
I'm a bit more conservative these days. I think that it's wonderful that stores in malls are opening up and the 'nilla world is starting to enjoy some of the fashions that have, in the past, been solely about this lifestyle and the practice of it. It's wonderful that we can openly buy items that we could once get only in out of the way 'specialty stores'. I do think that if collars and leashes are worn into these malls that contain these great stores that those stores may end up closing. The reasons? Oh, I'm sure a variety of 'legitimate' reasons can be thought up and given and that store will end up having to relocate. This would be an unfortunate set-back.
I think that the areas, which are known to be for whatever lifestyle you lead, will grow and expand to the point where collars and leads will spread out and be acceptable wherever you go can and will go. There are areas of San Francisco where you can walk down the street in collar and lead and it's perfectly fine to do so. People who don't want to be exposed to this, avoid areas where specific lifestyles are openly public. Others come to openly gawk.
All this coming to an area near you? I think so, in time and I think that it can be eased into with better results. The general populace doesn't really need this lifestyle shoved down their throats, even though many in this lifestyle are into that for themselves. <smile> It's no longer a matter of telling them that we are here and growing, it's more a matter of informing them that we're not fucked up in the head.
I think it breaks down to, even though a store sells string bikini bathing suits, they don't like you going into the mall, sitting down and dining, (even if you sit your flossed fanny down on a napkin for sanitation purposes) then walking into their storefront while you're browsing around for another one. There are areas which are more appropriate to wear your bathing suit.
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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 11:46:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Fighting for the rights of one, should not cause harm to others. Fighting for the rights of one, should not cause harm to others.

How is point of discussion, wearing a collar and leash, harming others?

Unless the catalyst for the initiation of dialog concerning relationships between a parent and child is considered harmful.

It shows that society permits one adult to treat another inhumanely... like an animal. It also shows that the female (or male) being dragged around on the leash has no worth or rights whatsoever... That's not a value I hope to instill in my daughter. I can tell her otherwise, but still... if this practice is condoned, it shows all our youth that it's acceptable behavior... and then will we need equal rights for the 'wife beaters' of the world?

The vanilla world as a whole, will never really understand the mindset of the bdsm world... No I do not think a master/slave relationship is a 'wife beater' situation... should I have to explain what I do think of it to my preschooler who encountered it in the mall?

The leash for kids vs. adults in a mall? Come on now.... babies can go barefoot, adults can't, kids can get away with crying, screaming, wearing just a diaper. The kiddie leash (which I don't personally care for) is a protection mechanism for small children. Take your teenager out on one, and you have a different story.

To each his own... It's still a right to have no common sense. I realize that common sense is far too rare. Hopefully it will not become so rare that to in order to experience a civilized society, we will have to avoid all public places.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 12:02:09 PM

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What are we, as S&Mers, being restricted from that is so costly and suppressing? Are you disregarded as humans? Do they lock you up in mental institutions? Can you not marry your submissive or dominant? Are you restricted from voting?

Perhaps you may want to visit the NCSF or WFF or ACLU or any other sexual freedom sites.
To name just a few examples of how lifestylists are being treated unfairly:
Parents are having their children taken away from them and placed in foster homes, because the parents practiced S&M.
People are having their *private* dungeons and homes raided.
People are being fired from their jobs or being denied promotions.
People are being kicked out of their rental homes, or even homes they own if in a certain neighborhood.
People are being prosecuted based on obtuse and antiquated laws about sodomy.
Private business owners are being forced to close their doors or drastically reduce or revise their inventory.
People are being forced into counseling, labeled with psychological diagnoses, and sometimes forced to be on medications due to their "legal" sexual preferences.
People are being denied their *right* to free speach.
People are being kicked out of hotels.
People are being denied the chance to adopt children.
Students are being denied the chance to form clubs.
Witnesses to crimes are being deemed uncredible.
People are being denied equal opportunity for employment and housing.
People are being denied equal police protection.
People are being denied their right to privacy.
People are being denied assets in divorces.

These are *real* incidents, not scenarios. These are *real* cases that have come up in front of *real* Judges. These are *real* charges that have been pressed against lifestylists. It's not even a hypothetical. It's really happening.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 1:13:02 PM

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I stand corrected, however I highly doubt that wearing your collar and leash to a public institution will help to change or correct any of those particular cases. In fact, I believe they'd probably make it worse.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 1:18:35 PM

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The only real thing that bothers me out in public is dudes who wear pants that are too baggy for them and they hang down past their asscheeks. I don't care to see their dingy tighty whites or their boxers. I don't understand the significance of this other then they dont know what size pants to buy or what a belt is.
I dont give a crap about a collar or a leash, neither does my teen, but to see someone's funky drawers hanging out in the mall is a bit much. Same goes for boob tubes and shorty shorts with asscheeks hanging out. If you like to wear that kinda stuff goody for you but dont be shocked if you get some strange looks.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 3:31:04 PM

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I agree... I think that our sexual/relationship preferences, and what we chose to do with one another behind closed doors or with another in ways that don't infringe on the rights of others, is no one's business and has no merit in determining whether I am a productive employee, an amazing parent, a credible source, etc. These rights should be protected and I will fight for those. I just don't see how showing others that we can be involved in bdsm AND be capable, productive, sane, and caring human beings is accomplished by displaying the type of scene mentioned in the OP.

I doubt many (even those in this lifestyle) would hire someone on a leash or leave their kid in her/his care. Sometimes common sense is what we are judged on.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/4/2006 4:06:52 PM

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The only real thing that bothers me out in public is dudes who wear pants that are too baggy for them and they hang down past their asscheeks. I don't care to see their dingy tighty whites or their boxers. I don't understand the significance of this other then they dont know what size pants to buy or what a belt is.

This is some kind of hip/hop look as far as I understand it. But that really makes the point in my view...

Why is someone allowed to expose their shorts, and sometimes I have even seen most of their ass as well, whereas people wearing a collar will not be tolerated? The reality is that where I live (California) I doubt someone would be asked to leave the mall for the collar and leash thing. But the thread began with someone questioning such an incident elsewhere. People causing no problems and not even exposing themselves were asked to leave a mall.

The original poster also raised an incident in a school where a pagan youth was basically being disallowed a t-shirt because the teacher mistook the design on it for a pentagram. Now what the fuck - that's flat out religious discrimination! The teacher doesn't get to decide what religious symbols are okay and which are not. I can't think of anything more offensive to the purposes of the freedoms well defined in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Utter madness...

And this is the thing too - others do not define your liberties, you must demand them each and every time they are questioned. Failure to do so erodes your rights, it's not as if they will be less bold about denying you your rights the next time. If anything, such intolerance merely escalates.

Proprietrix does a fine job further defining why this issue just might be important to you and why you shouldn't hide your head in the sand. You younger folk in particular need to look into pressing for greater tolerance of sexuality. In my own thinking, we have a runaway government legislating many issues from one obnoxiously Christian viewpoint - and that's just wrong. This is America, the new land where even Puritans could be treated fairly - no one said they could totally take over.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/5/2006 4:31:37 PM

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I just gotta know - is there a "Hot Topic" in the mall in question?

Yes Sir.... there is a Hot Topic in this mall... my kids favorite place to shop.
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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/5/2006 4:58:28 PM

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I've been sitting back awhile and just watching this thread. I've made commentary here that some saw as judgmental and intolerant. Am I judgmental and intolerant? You bet I am and I will freely admit it. I'm a human being and we all pass judgments every day and we all have things we aren't very tolerant of. Each and every one of us has someplace we draw that line...something that offends us. If you are above those very human character flaws then I'd love to shake your hand Mother Theresa.

What I find ironic about the thread is that many of those preaching about intolerance, fail to see just exactly how intolerant they are being of the other viewpoint. Not coming from just one side...from both sides. Guess it only stands to reason though as it's always easier to talk the talk.......

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/5/2006 5:12:40 PM

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What I find ironic about the thread is that many of those preaching about intolerance, fail to see just exactly how intolerant they are being of the other viewpoint. Not coming from just one side...from both sides. Guess it only stands to reason though as it's always easier to talk the talk.......

It's perfectly fine to be intolerant.

I'm intolerant of child abuse, rape, racial slurs, and drunk drivers, among other things. I'm intolerant of those who feel they have the right to tell me I can't do what I do, simply because some god they believe in, says so. I'm intolerant of anyone who tries to make me feel less than human because I don't look like a thin, Hollywood starlet.

I live in a country where I have a right to dress as I please, as long as my genitals are covered. A collar and leash doesn't expose my genitals, therefore no one has a right to tell me I can't wear them. Yup, I'm intolerant of those who try to steal my human and legal rights away, under some supposed religious/moral agenda. Sue me.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/5/2006 5:12:48 PM

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I've been sitting back awhile and just watching this thread. I've made commentary here that some saw as judgmental and intolerant. Am I judgmental and intolerant? You bet I am and I will freely admit it. I'm a human being and we all pass judgments every day and we all have things we aren't very tolerant of. Each and every one of us has someplance we draw that line...something that offends us. If you are above those very human character flaws then I'd love to shake your hand Mother Theresa.

What I find ironic about the thread is that many of those preaching about intolerance, fail to see just exactly how intolerant they are being of the other viewpoint. Not coming from just one side...from both sides. Guess it only stands to reason though as it's always easier to talk the talk.......

Excellent post, erin. Thank you for making a point that needed to be addressed.

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RE: Discrimination in Public Places.... - 5/5/2006 5:31:27 PM

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Well sense I know there are things that offend me.. i'm not above being offended. I also know.... that there's not a whole hell of a lot I can do about something that does offend me. So I either turn away... ignore.... go about my business. Or if more so thrown right up in my face... by the person offending me... I'll say what I think about the situation at hand... will it stop me from being offended..... nope.. with that person stop offending me... probably not. But then again.... i've been around the corner a few times... not much offends me that would make me rare on someone.

One thing I have said before.. and always will... to each their own. Not my place to say who is right.. who is wrong... when they choose to do things like these couples did at the mall. All because I personally seen not a damn thing wrong with it.... After talking to all the ones that was there with me last weekend... no one can recall anyone even standing around pist about the situation.... either the before or afterwards.... not to say there wasn't... I can't say that at all. I did not look at each and every face. But I can say prior and after..no one was saying thank you... raising hell.... screaming... helping... the one and only asshole in this was the security guard... not even the Doms raised their voices whe confronted... never argued back.. making a scene of being bothered... they didn't raise hell about rights... none of that.... they gathered their subs... and left quietly. Now to me... that's not someone trying to make a statement.... stand up for their rights.... I have higher respect for the way they left... than I would for one that would of been demmanding their rights.... and refusing to leave.

Like I said before.... the walked in on leashes... 2 of them... when seated... the leashes were removed... subs at 1 table... Doms at another... no leashes were being dragged across from table to table.. When they got up to leave... all the leashed their subs quietly.. and left... no loud scene... no obscene language... only loud mouth was the guard....

Erin this is not directed towards you... I used fast reply hun.... glad to see you back on the boards in conversation again... hope you're recovery is going well....

Edited 3 times to get that word NOT in there to you Erin... LOL

< Message edited by truesub4u -- 5/5/2006 5:34:53 PM >

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