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LadyPact -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 6:46:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RCdc
Like you, if something comes across as a waste of time, I'll go elsewhere - I am blessed to have a Master who allows me such. I have done that on CM - sometimes the persistent complaining does my head in... I tend to be someone who always looks at things positively and loves everything and everyone (not so closet hippy me[:D])

The thing I am (struggling with is not the best word to use).... ummm... seem to be dense about is the reaction by some/many to males that know what they want - particularly on sites like this.

Either they aren't true enough, or they aren't commited enough or they automatically assigned as do-mes. I look at that and think... wow. I mean look at it like this... as women, we are (in society) automatically looked at as lesser beings. It's getting better with time (on the whole) but it's still there. So female dominants who seize control of their own lives get to a point where they decide they want to take on a boy/man (in this case as an example) only to come to a site like this and automatically deride and dehumanize any male s-type who dares show a little of their own desires - and they aren't alone because it's females in general. There is an automatic reaction on here to assume that these males are submissives... that these males themselves believe that is the term they should be using because bottoms or switches or worse still - bedroom boys - are at the bottom of the pile. At least there is a chance (if you identify) as a male submissive who doesn't dig on humiliation, that you might garner a little respect if you dare mention you are 'real male submissive'... and now even that's wrong!

Maybe that's a little of CM's fault(from a profile and email POV). Maybe it is about time they broadened their spectrum of profile options to allow for more descriptions and labels? I'm not naive enough to not be aware that there are blokes who come here just to get their rocks off... women too. And there will always be people who don't give a moment to look at a profile. But just Maybe if that happened it might send the message that this isn't just about domination and submission and that such filters would help channel people into the appropriate places - as well as having a positive effect on the perception of what it means to submit?

In My opinion, the highlighted above is accurate.  At least from what I've gathered here on the forum participant's side.  In My observation, the majority of female Dominants here who are looking for anything are looking for the whole package.  Even those of us who play casually don't tend to use the site for that purpose.  I mean no offense to anyone here, but it's so much easier for Me to walk into a play party or a public dungeon and play casually that I don't see the point of going through the additional time investment of using the site to yield the same end.  I sincerely don't remember the last time that I walked into a public play space with the intention of topping and leaving without being able to do so.  For most female tops, it's just is that easy.

As for the terminology debate, while I agree with you that in some cases it would be more accurate for folks to describe themselves as a top or a bottom, I couldn't say with any certainty how many folks would choose the option.  The atmosphere on this site does seem to be more dynamic oriented.  From talking to people away from the screen, that's the impression that others have told Me that they have as well.  Even though there are a number of Dominant women here who have said they would rather know if a person considers themselves a bottom or a submissive up front, they know what poor results they have had if the word bottom was in their profile text.




RCdc -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 10:05:41 AM)

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As for the terminology debate, while I agree with you that in some cases it would be more accurate for folks to describe themselves as a top or a bottom, I couldn't say with any certainty how many folks would choose the option. The atmosphere on this site does seem to be more dynamic oriented. From talking to people away from the screen, that's the impression that others have told Me that they have as well. Even though there are a number of Dominant women here who have said they would rather know if a person considers themselves a bottom or a submissive up front, they know what poor results they have had if the word bottom was in their profile text.



I understand Lady Pact. I just think that if sites like this made the option more accessible it would be at least a start on the way to making the terms more accepted. It only takes someone with 'clout' like yourself to be seen using it without prejudice and people do follow or at least take note.




Charles6682 -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 12:25:00 PM)

You do realize alot of those videos were fantasy.Made up story lines and such.Its top appeal to the fans of those videos.Some of what I did off the camera was real.My complaint wasn't so much about the girls,but the practice involved in doing those videos.If you noticed,I have not shot any videos for that site for over 3 and a half months now.Theres a reason for that.I would still like to walk after I turn 60 years old.Even though alot of those videos are just for fantasy,those hits and kicks are very real.If a Women is only going to view me as a punhcing bag,then yes,forget it.I will be better off.It is amazing someone hasnt seriously gotten hurt doing those videos and its only a matter of time.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 12:57:16 PM)

Charles, I absolutely realize that most videos are just fantasies, but I bought one a while ago and was struck because CM was mentioned and I thought I recognized you, apart from that there was a discussion like that that you started. The whole dialogue there pretty much reminded me so much of what you said here on the board...

So are you saying that video was just a fantasy and you started the discussion to drum up business for that particular video? Also at the time you were full of praise for your Domme and particularly her ethnicity...

I had a quick look for the links:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3380011/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3380011

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3402069/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3402069

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3389946/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3423234

So first you were full of praise for her, then things turn sour... It happens, not having been there, I don't know what went on, I can only say what I saw on her blog and in the video (still not sure if that is a fantasy video and you only made a post so she could do such a video with you), but hey, why complain about people who don't do things your way? Maybe they just have different preferences? Maybe there is a guy out there who thinks "How could he mess up this chance, that seems to be too good to be true..."




Charles6682 -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 1:49:02 PM)

I never had anything to do with how those videos are promoted.Thats the owner of the site and how he decides to promote them.I wasn't getting commission based salary for how many of my videos were sold.It could have been 1 or 100 videos that got sold,the pay was still the same for me either way.Some of the videos do have some themes that are based upon in real life.That first thread I posted on here on CM about "Women beating men up",well,clearly I was having some real doubts about doing those kind of videos.Thats why I brought it up here on CM.So,yes,that was a real,geniune post.Somehow,somebody on here clearly,told the owner of that site about that thread.

That particular video you are mentioning is based on reality to some degree.Some of it was also made up for the video though too.

As for the girl,yes she was my real Domme and is still a good friend of mine.She was my favorite girl there.To her credit,she was always good about respecting my limits.If she felt in anyway that I was too hurt,she would ceck up on me.Honestly,I did not mind doing those videos with her in particular because she was always cautious when it came to shooting videos.I do like her as a person.In fact,one of the big reasons I stopped shooting videos for that website was because she did not want to shoot anymore videos for that website.That was a personal reason and I won't get into that.I will just say,that when she decided to stop shooting videos there,so did I.I do still talk to her by the way.I think she has her own life to live right now and that is cool.Theres not 1 bad thing I can say about her.I wouldnt anyways.Funny you mention that though,she did mention she still would be my Domme and so on.I just think maybe she would rather be to yourself for now.I have really left it at that.




Charles6682 -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 2:06:04 PM)

I guess people from all over the world really do buys those videos after all.Germany,U.K. and many others.Well,thats interesting.Well,storylines or not,alot of those hits and kicks are the real deal.That isn't like a Jackie Chan movie where its staged.Those videos are about as real as you seem them.Thats another reason I had to ease up from doing that.I had fun,I made some money and got to do some interesting things,no doubt.However,I should consider myself lucky that I have not been seriously hurt.I know to quit while I am ahead.I am not going to gamble something like my body for odds like that.The chances of 1 wrong move is rare,but something could go wrong and thats it.

Its like those guys who wrestle on WWE.Sure,that wrestling is fake.We all know that.However,some of those guys in wrestling did one wrong move and then they break a knee,neck or their back.Thats the closest thing I can compare this to.I dont need to take anymore chances and just maybe wind up with a serious injury.I did shoot alot of videos with that one girl for so long because she was cautious and alert about what she was doing.When she left,there was no point in me shooting anymore videos.I dont need the money that bad,not if its going to cost me alot worse in the future.What good is money if I am sitting in a hostpital?The majority of the girls on those videos are rather quite rough on those videos.They dont really care for "safewords" or anything like that.Alot of those girls will get as brutal as anyone can get.That is fine.There are plenty of guys who are into extreme pain like that.I am not though.There needs to be a line the sand when common sense finally says enough.




Prinsexx -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 2:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I have heard about the ratio on Collarme.There are so many male submissives,for every few Dommes out there,blah,blah,blah!!Most of the "Do me" male submissives are just that.All they seek is a 30 second fantasy "quick fix".Now,the REAL,GENIUNE Male Submissive who actually understands and appericates his submission,is a totally different person.I have to disagree that there are so many male submissive out there.What you have is alot of men with nothing more than a submissive fantasy.That does not make them a submissive or slave.So please,dont mix the real Male Submissive,in with a bunch of people who are only into a fantasy and nothing else.If anything,the true,geniune,compassionate male submissive is alot harder to find than one might think.

Find a real man and turn him into a do-me-submissive.
What;s the (real) problem?




LadyConstanze -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 6:23:40 PM)

Charles, to be honest I never understood why a guy would risk his health in those videos, but I always thought that the pay must be good or they are into real pain. Now I would think the risk of losing a tooth is pretty high and dentists are much more expensive than possibly the money a guy makes from the videos.
But if the girls are so brutal and don't respect safe words, I would think they guys won't play with them again, I mean hardly anybody would play with somebody who has previously not respected a safe word. Seems bad business policy to me, as they do need guys for the vids...

It was just the posts and the video it all seemed like almost like it was a follow up, so I wasn't sure about what is fantasy, what is real, what is advertising, etc.




CeriseNin -> RE: Real Male Submissives vs "Do Me Submissives" (1/26/2011 6:55:24 PM)

Charles, can you tap the space bar after punctuation? It'll make your posts more readable.




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