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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 1:44:56 PM

DomKen

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That law is unenforceable.

Unless you can tell me why, I shall be forced to the regrettable conclusion that your knowledge of law somewhat less than tour knowledge of astrophysics and ancient Sumerian. Combined.
The fact is that the States have been given wide latitude in the matter of elections.
And- if the States are not allowed to request the bona fides of candidates, what does DK imagine the proper vetting body to be?
Personally, I think cert is a slam dunk.

It is unenforceable because there is no legal definition of natural born citizen. For the law to be enforceable there must be a written legal definition of the term or at the very least a legal precedent on the matter.

Also as I said the requirement for certain aspects of a birth certificate violates federal law and the constitution.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 1:53:58 PM

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I have a copy of my birth certificate from Arizona, and guess what, it says "Certificate of Live Birth."

And that is all I have to show to prove I was born in the United States, which means the law is in violation of Arizona's requirements for proof of citizenship.

My AZ BirthCertificate gives all the prescribed info.

The only question is Active Military Service. I don't see an exemption for being Militarily deployed

I also wonder, just pondering here, that if I remember right and I didn't bother looking it up, but anyway Mexico gives citizenship to all hispanics in the US, even if they were born here and have no affiliation to Mexico (never made good sense but that indicates dual citizenship tho not at the desire of the individual)

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 1:59:35 PM

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I don't think the automatic granting of any hispanic born in the United States being given citizenship in mexico is automatic. Holy crap if that were possible any hispanic born in the USA could go to Mexico and buy property. Only Mexican nationals are allowed to own property in that country. Though many of our countrymen have homes there, they are merely leased for a period of years.
Citizenship is red tape, and other hassles unless you are legally born in that country.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 2:14:11 PM

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I don't think the automatic granting of any hispanic born in the United States being given citizenship in mexico is automatic. Holy crap if that were possible any hispanic born in the USA could go to Mexico and buy property. Only Mexican nationals are allowed to own property in that country. Though many of our countrymen have homes there, they are merely leased for a period of years.
Citizenship is red tape, and other hassles unless you are legally born in that country.

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ORIGINAL: http://matt.org/english/editorial/immigration_and_security_4/dual_citizenship_1/181_dual_citizenship_center.html

Mexico now allows dual citizenship, which is granted to those Mexicans who become naturalized in another country, to the foreign-born children of Mexican nationals and to citizens who are granted another citizenship through marriage or other special circumstances.

I knew it was something. Whatever it was it was a long time ago.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 2:56:22 PM

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So Truck you are a racist birther prophet.... no big surprise there, its easy to predict what the birthers are gonna do..
big whoopdy doo
you are still an ugly person..

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/26/2011 5:42:27 PM

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I predicted this; when you add it to recent statements attributed to Gov Abercrombie (Dim- very, very dim- of Hawaii), it could get very very interesting very very quickly.

It seems the legislature of Arizona (bitchslap them- and SCOTUS; don't forget SCOTUS has a score to settle with Barry- again, 0bama0) is going to require future candidates for certain offices to prove their eligibility for such office)

As I predicted.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=255489

Haven't the slightest idea what 'score' the SCOTUS has to 'settle' with Obama nevermind they are never to do such a thing and especially after they already decided the 2000 election. But this Ariz. law will never pass constitutional muster.

The onus will be on Arizona to prove that Obama is...not a citizen. He will be able to sight the fact that he is the encumbent PUS.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 6:13:34 AM

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We're advised there's no legal definition for "natural born citizen". So, what could that decidedly unnatural-sounding phrase mean?

A citizen born through a natural birthing process seems the most obvious if the ordinary meaning of the words is taken as paramount. Or possibly anyone who arrived in this world through a vagina (as opposed to say, a caesarian). Or anyone whose birth was not induced? Or home births only?

Could this campaign have the unfortunate side effect of disqualifying everyone born in a hospital? Can things get any sillier?

Edited to remove dirty nappies

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:02:34 AM

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There are now at least ten states with eligibility legislation in the works.
Note that Nebraskas proposal seems to be intended to validate M de Vatels original definition of "natural born citizen", requiring the candidate to sign an affidavit that says: "I was born a citizen of the United States of America and was subject exclusively to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, owing allegiance to no other country at the time of my birth."

0bama0, who wrote that he was a British subject at birth, cannot, of course, truthfully sign such an affidavit.

SCOTUS, here we come.... I hope. If they pass these laws, I think we will get a definition of NBC from SCOTUS, if if if he tries to stay in the race.

Read more: 10 states now developing eligibility proof-demands http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=255965#ixzz1CFQlDHbw

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:04:59 AM

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"Haven't the slightest idea what 'score' the SCOTUS has to 'settle' with Obama "

He tried to subject them to public humiliation at the last SOTU dogandpony show.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:06:28 AM

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Things cannot get any sillier than your post...

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:13:10 AM

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Since you are all caught up into this drama, the Rocky Mountain News had a huge hand in it.

You may want to read their correction and appology for thier misinformation.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/15/eight-word-gaffe-ripples-across-web/

But it also contained this eight-word sentence: "Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship." We cited no source, but at the bottom of the story we listed three: biography.com, Internet Movie Database, Atlanta Journal Constitution.

The citizenship claim didn't raise any red flags for the journalists involved. They knew his father was from Kenya and didn't view the "fact" as a negative.

What can I say? I know this might sound incredible that we could have accepted as fact something that anyone who follows politics should have known was false. But another lesson I've learned in journalism is that if we can make a mistake, eventually we will - and the reason often is that even smart journalists sometimes let down their guard.

Clearly, our sourcing had been inadequate. Sources on the Web in many cases should be links, so you can examine their credibility. When we discovered our source for this item had been a movie database - a clearly unacceptable basis for anything but movie data - we realized that not everybody doing this work understood our standards, even for items they believed to be innocuous. We also relearned the importance of visible corrections.

Painful lessons. All from eight words. Eight words that were enough to hurt the reputation of the Rocky and remind us that no matter the medium, our commitment to accuracy must remain constant.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:16:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

"Haven't the slightest idea what 'score' the SCOTUS has to 'settle' with Obama "

He tried to subject them to public humiliation at the last SOTU dogandpony show.

What phantasmagorical asswipe!!! 12 fuckin' lawyers, more of them Bush appointed than anything, and they couldn't hang him with something legal? Change your tinfoil. Your brain is oxidizing.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:16:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
0bama0, who wrote that he was a British subject at birth, cannot, of course, truthfully sign such an affidavit.

No. He did not and he wasn't.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:18:23 AM

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To return to the subject of this thread...

I predicted that Raji would score a touchdown from an interception for the Packers last Sunday.

I don't know if he was born by caesarean in a hospital or in a birthing pool. Perhaps it shouldn't count...

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:23:35 AM

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"the Rocky Mountain News had a huge hand in it. "

Well, no, not to me.
Most of my interest in the matter follows an assumption that he was born in Hawaii, and thus not (as far as I knew), a Kenyan citizen. My conclusion has been that he is not a NBC by any definition of the phrase extant in 1787....

If he wasn't born in Hawaii he is an illegal alien.... which would be hilarious. Maybe then he could join his dear sweet auntie.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:26:03 AM

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I am going to go to work toady and fire every birther who works for me.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:30:47 AM

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DOTfJO9W7rsJ:www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/24/british-law-declares-obama-a-british-citizen/+obama+admitted+%22British+subject%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

According to factcheck, 0bama0 was both an American and British citizen at birth, became a Kenyan citizen at age 2 while simultaneously losing Brisih citizenship, and lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1sZyJq6z5p4J:www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html+obama+admitted+%22British+subject%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

So, as I consider usual, you have no clue as to what you're posting.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:33:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I am going to go to work toady and fire every birther who works for me.

Actually, that's funny as hell, but it's probably illegal.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 7:49:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

There are now at least ten states with eligibility legislation in the works.
Note that Nebraskas proposal seems to be intended to validate M de Vatels original definition of "natural born citizen", requiring the candidate to sign an affidavit that says: "I was born a citizen of the United States of America and was subject exclusively to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, owing allegiance to no other country at the time of my birth."

0bama0, who wrote that he was a British subject at birth, cannot, of course, truthfully sign such an affidavit.

Sure he can. What JURISDICTION do the British have here? The Kenyans, hey, how about the Russians, the Queen, the Magna Charta, Aethelred the Unready, cabbages rotting in the sun?

How would he OWE ALLEGIANCE to anyone he did not pledge it to, nor anyone who did not even know the fucker to exact it?

You don't have a very good education, do you, you don't know what some pretty common and simple words mean.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:00:33 AM

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It appears your reliance on Daily Kos for your political opinions may be warranted, if you are truly this incapable of independent thought.

Just as the first two things that spring to mind: as a British subject/citizen, and later as a Kenyan citizen (as per factcheck), 0bama0 could legally have been drafted and/or taxed under the laws of either nation.

OMG I wish Kenya would sue him for back taxes.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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