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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:02:56 AM   
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Just as a matter of curiosity, IF 0bama0 were to be found not to be a NBC, would the bills he signed still be law????



....and, as a matter of curiosity, if Obama were found to actually be an NBC would you and the rest of the birthers apologise for your rudeness?
What proof would you accept? Would you be prepared to apply such a proof to all candidates for POTUS, regardless of political party?

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:08:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Just as a matter of curiosity, IF 0bama0 were to be found not to be a NBC, would the bills he signed still be law????



....and, as a matter of curiosity, if Obama were found to actually be an NBC would you and the rest of the birthers apologise for your rudeness?
What proof would you accept? Would you be prepared to apply such a proof to all candidates for POTUS, regardless of political party?


Fair enough. I'll be happy to answer your questions; perhaps at a future time you'll show me the same courtesy.

1. What rudeness? Requiring someone to show proof of eligibility for the office of POTUS is rude?
2. I will accept any definition of NBC that SCOTUS renders; ditto for proof of meeting that definition.
3. I think everybody  running for public office should have to furnish bulletproof evidence of their legal eligibility for said office. Period. Why not?

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Article 2, Section I of the Constitution states that "Only a natural born citizen of the US may be president"
It also allows for those who are born in territories that later become part of the US to be considered "Natural Born Citizens" this allowed for us to have a president for the early part of our history as they were all born British Citizens.
It does NOT define who is a natural born citizen.

Present law and the law that was in effect when Obama was born holds that if either parent is a US citizen NO MATTER WHERE THE BIRTH IS that baby is born a citizen.

McCain is also a natural born citizen by this law as he was born on a base in Panama.

No matter what Obama's father's citizenship, the ONLY way he isn't a citizen would be if his mother repudiated her US citizenship prior to his birth.

I will now go back to snickering at your ignorance.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:13:33 AM   
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The 'birther's will keep on rambling about this till they are on their respective deathbeds as they are incapable of learning.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:14:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't be a fuckin retard, they would have had to know who he was first.  Trust me, if Obama would have put in for an English or Kenyan passport, they would have wanted all sorts of proof he had a claim to one.

So, you getting your independant thoughts from licking toilets has not served you well.

Rather than elide the point, tell me how he OWED ALLEGIANCE, or was under JURISDICTION of any other country at any time in his life?  

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:16:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Fair enough. I'll be happy to answer your questions; perhaps at a future time you'll show me the same courtesy.



...i dont recall you ever asking me any questions. Before making the asumption that i wouldnt answer try asking first.........ya never know your luck.

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1. What rudeness? Requiring someone to show proof of eligibility for the office of POTUS is rude?


.....are you seriously suggesting that the rhetoric coming from birthers (perhaps not all, but a good percentage of the voices heard in the media) have conducted their debate in a uniformly respectful way? We both know that some of that rhetoric has been hugely disrepectful, some of it borders on racism and more of it has been partisan.

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2. I will accept any definition of NBC that SCOTUS renders; ditto for proof of meeting that definition.


....good, because hasn't the SCOTUS already declared that Obama is eligible for the POTUS?

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3. I think everybody  running for public office should have to furnish bulletproof evidence of their legal eligibility for said office. Period. Why not?


.....so the theoretical possibility that a definition could be made that includes Obama but excludes McCain doesn't bother you?

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:18:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Only your first sentence is demonstrably true. <Snicker>
The rest is a mishmash of mistakes and confusion (per Marbury v Madison, every unique phrase in the Constitution must have a unique meaning. No definition of "citizen" has any bearing whatsoever on the definition of "natural born citizen". Don't feel bad. Many of the uneducated also make the same mistake).
<Snicker>

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:19:03 AM   
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after three years you would think someone with more ability than a dead toad would have been able to come up with something concrete
that they cant is what makes them so impotent and whiney


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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:22:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to factcheck he has been at various times a citizen of both Kenya and Britain. You assume "citizenship" neither implies allegiance nor includes being subject to the jurisdiction (laws) of the nation.
I assume otherwise, as did M. de Vatel (who coined and defined the phrase "natural born citizen")


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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:33:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Only your first sentence is demonstrably true. <Snicker>
The rest is a mishmash of mistakes and confusion (per Marbury v Madison, every unique phrase in the Constitution must have a unique meaning. No definition of "citizen" has any bearing whatsoever on the definition of "natural born citizen". Don't feel bad. Many of the uneducated also make the same mistake).
<Snicker>


fucking GUFFAW!!!!!!!!

http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/08-570.htm


http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/08a505.htm


Scotus, who was so very recently centralized and fantasized in another of your fuckheaded threads sending encoded messages to Obama have no issue with this, they denied the fuck out of the cases, the standings and the cert.  Apparently there is more to Marbury than you have legal acumen to independantly think about.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:34:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

no one has ome up with ANY proof that he is anything but hawaii born
after three years you would think someone with more ability than a dead toad would have been able to come up with something concrete
that they cant is what makes them so impotent and whiney



We have a Republican controlled House. IF they could prove he was not a naturally born citizen, that would have been the first order of business... not health care repeal.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:35:45 AM   
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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:39:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DOTfJO9W7rsJ:www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/24/british-law-declares-obama-a-british-citizen/+obama+admitted+%22British+subject%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

According to factcheck, 0bama0 was both an American and British citizen at birth, became a Kenyan citizen at age 2 while simultaneously losing Brisih citizenship, and lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1sZyJq6z5p4J:www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html+obama+admitted+%22British+subject%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

So, as I consider usual, you have no clue as to what you're posting.


If you care to check into the matter dual citizenship is only taken into account if the person in question claims it. The President has never claimed Kenyan citizenship and took no action at 23 to retain that status.

BTW dual citizenship has never been considered an impediemnt to being President in the past. For instance JFK was technically eligible for Irish citizenship.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:42:59 AM   
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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:43:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Only your first sentence is demonstrably true. <Snicker>
The rest is a mishmash of mistakes and confusion (per Marbury v Madison, every unique phrase in the Constitution must have a unique meaning. No definition of "citizen" has any bearing whatsoever on the definition of "natural born citizen". Don't feel bad. Many of the uneducated also make the same mistake).
<Snicker>

By this logic no President has ever been legitimate because none can be shown to be a Natural Born Citizen.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:45:06 AM   
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I assume otherwise, as did M. de Vatel (who coined and defined the phrase "natural born citizen")


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Please read the 5th, 6th and 7th words of this quote from the US CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 2 SECTION I.

Your de Vatel did NOT coin the term unless he lived over 250 years ago.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:57:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think he is predicting it. Can you predict to the past?

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 8:58:39 AM   
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The court without comment declined to hear Donofrio v. Wells, a lawsuit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., had said that Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time.


The Wells referred to here was Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of NJ. Seems they were trying to back door their way into forcing the SC to hear this case.

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Donofrio also contended that the Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, and Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero are not natural-born citizens and also should have been kept off the ballot.


A long standing Senator suddenly isnt vetted and not qualified to be a Senator? Donofrio has one target in mind, Obama, and he doesnt care who he attempts to take down with him.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 9:33:28 AM   
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Uh, since McCain was born in panama, does that mean he is not eligible to run for president?

Why wasn't George Romney declared ineligible ? He was born in Israel.

There is nowhere to go to further try to insult or insinuate that people in this country and this forum HATE Obama but to come to the net with this bullshit. It must be their psychological pressure-relief valve.

 'Let me at least bring my hate to the Internet since there is nothing else I can come with that is truly important or relevant that I can use.'

People will not be happy until he starts two more wars, comes up with another ridiculously pandering $1/2 Trillion drug subsidy, ALL off books so our reduced retirement benefits and kids can pay for them. Oh and he must allow an attack on the pentagon...THE pentagon. Yes that's right THE pentagon...of ALL places. Then for good measure...tariffs on limber and steel.

Only then...then will he be accepted as truly American.

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RE: I predicted this. - 1/27/2011 9:47:44 AM   
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Why wasn't George Romney declared ineligible ? He was born in Israel. 


Because he never won the presidency.

LOL.

Nor will Mitt, I don't give a fuck if he was born in the arms of jesus (the american one) on the steps of the congress, in front of Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich..........

That loser shit runs in the family. 

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