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Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 12:48:49 PM

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If so, that's a huge negatory ain't touching their group with a 10 foot pole. What made me think they're highly god based was their 12 step program information which I have copied below.

The Twelve Steps of Overeaters Anonymous
We admitted we were powerless over food — that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to compulsive overeaters and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Permission to use the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous for adaptation granted by AA World Services, Inc.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 12:57:30 PM

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Tfb, my experience has been that none of the 12-step programs are overly religious.

Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

They do not preach what God to believe in or how one should believe.

Other people may have other opinions.

My suggestion would be to try going to a few meetings, and better yet if there is more than one meeting in your area to go to different ones. Different groups have different vibes and you might feel more comfortable with one than another.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 1:00:40 PM

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Please remember that the language of all the 12 step programs date from AA and was written nearly 80 years ago. It has nothing to do with religion. You can believe or not. The higher power is generally considered to be the support system of the group itself. If you are religious and prefer to think of it as a God, that's fine. If you don't, that's fine too.

It works because it is a focused support system in precisely the same way that women who have breast cancer who enter support groups for that have higher survival rates. We need the support.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 1:03:25 PM

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All 12 step programs are very religious. It is a direct outgrowth of the evangelical Oxford Group.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 1:04:50 PM

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That easesmy mind a bit.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 1:34:05 PM

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I'm going to contradict what other folks have said. In fact, all twelve step programs are based on a spiritual, not religious concept. Des is correct that all twelve step programs have taken their lead from AA which was conceived over eighty years ago. You will see the word "God" in various forms of literature, however, none of these twelve step programs are based on a specific religion. A number of people who are involved with twelve step programs do not even use the specific name "God" in their program and instead use a concept of a "Higher Power".

While the original Big Book of AA was printed several decades ago, it is currently in it's fourth edition and has been added to over the years. The basic text of NA is over fifty years old, credits AA for the structure of the program, and includes the distinction of being a spiritual, rather than a religious program. I am not familiar with whether the printed literature for OA (Overeaters Anonymous) does the same or not.

All programs under the twelve step method focus on the facets of obsession and compulsion. Something that definitely fits for OA.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 2:17:02 PM

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I am an atheist, I don't believe in god, don't believe in higher powers, don't want god mentioned to me, don't want to be around people who're god believers, unless they keep it to themselves, and are ok with my complete disregard of Christianity, don't want anything to do with the subject, even in passing. It's a big barg of barf blech no thanks to me. I suppose if it was kept to an extreamly low roar I could tolerate religious overtones, maybe lol.

But I really was kind of interested in checking them out, the diabtes advice nurse recomended them for a good support network, even if you are not really quite an OE

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 2:17:54 PM

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OA groups are rather independent.
One may have people expostulating on how their weight loss was caused by "bein' washed in the blood of the lamb" yadda yadda while other groups will be more about personal experiences.

Find the group that suits you but find one.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 2:25:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I am an atheist, I don't believe in god, don't believe in higher powers, don't want god mentioned to me, don't want to be around people who're god believers, unless they keep it to themselves, and are ok with my complete disregard of Christianity, don't want anything to do with the subject, even in passing. It's a big barg of barf blech no thanks to me. I suppose if it was kept to an extreamly low roar I could tolerate religious overtones, maybe lol.

But I really was kind of interested in checking them out, the diabtes advice nurse recomended them for a good support network, even if you are not really quite an OE

If you have medical professionals (i.e. the nurse) suggesting that some kind of program might do you some good, it may be worth your time to spend an hour checking out one meeting. I don't think it would have been suggested if there wasn't some kind of sign either about your weight or your eating habits.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 2:54:12 PM

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She feels they're a good support network for people. I do over eat now and then and I binge now and then, so I am not denying that, It's just rare, and it is something I can and do control, I also don't know jack shit about nutrition an food and how to feed myself properly. I am also lazy and I love my food. She says those programs are benifitial to teaching you about nutrition and giving you guidance and support, while you're learning about healthy eating and building that road for yourself..

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I am an atheist, I don't believe in god, don't believe in higher powers, don't want god mentioned to me, don't want to be around people who're god believers, unless they keep it to themselves, and are ok with my complete disregard of Christianity, don't want anything to do with the subject, even in passing. It's a big barg of barf blech no thanks to me. I suppose if it was kept to an extreamly low roar I could tolerate religious overtones, maybe lol.

But I really was kind of interested in checking them out, the diabtes advice nurse recomended them for a good support network, even if you are not really quite an OE

If you have medical professionals (i.e. the nurse) suggesting that some kind of program might do you some good, it may be worth your time to spend an hour checking out one meeting. I don't think it would have been suggested if there wasn't some kind of sign either about your weight or your eating habits.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 2:58:45 PM

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Binge eating is very similar to binge drinking. Either you deal with the problem or don't.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 3:19:11 PM

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Yeah lol. I think it's only a problem if you do it all the time and not like once every 6 months. It's not ideal to eat to refusal, but it's not a problem in my mind like I said, unless you do it all the time, or can't control it.

Course that's my opinion and other's opinions can differ.

I would still appreciate the support network while I learn about feeding myself with proper nutrition and sizes an stuff, and will check see if there's any locally to me that keeps the religious god stuff to themselves.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 3:22:59 PM

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Religion to me is hell. Always has been. And if they disguise it by calling it a higher power, that means they're hypcrites. At least that's the way I see it. Even when I was a little kid, I couldn't stand church or almost anything to do with it. Weddings and funerals ? Better have a pretty damn compelling reason to get me there.

This whole higher power thing is something I see differently. You mean there is something in my mind that can read my inner thoughts and possibly control me ? Fuck all that. Nobody gets to know what I'm thinking unless I tell them. Nobody controls me unless I let them. That includes everyone literally. That means the "law", the barrel of a gun, a stronger foe, anything. The only things I won't do are those things I decide not to do, and the only things I do are things I do willingly.

I have done exactly what I wanted when I wanted since I was twelve. At fifteen I told a truant officer to get the fuck out, of someone else's yard ! I lived in Lakewood and the place was in Cleveland. I told him straight up "You got no jurisdiction here, get the fuck out". Eventually they expelled me from school - for not going to school. I laughed all the way to the hangout !

If that indicates that I am abnormal, wonderful. I find normal people boring.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 3:27:25 PM

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The subject used to bring on the most strongest urge to in their face, tell them I think people who believe in some entity on high nobody can see, but are supposed to believe is there, and follow the dictates of, are nuts, or stick my fingers in my ears and go llalalalalalalala I'm not listeeeeeeeeeeeening.

I out grew that impulse, but I still don't care to be aorund Christains who always wanna preach and convert an stuff. Keep it to yourself, and we'll get along fine.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 3:32:27 PM

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Maybe if churches sponsor them, or Chik Fil-A donates meals to them, we should boycott them.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 3:55:58 PM

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In my mind, the "Anonymous" groups are near-cultlike...they don't advocate one true religion, but they do advocate one true way, reinforcing to group members that anything they try outside of the twelve steps is doomed to fail and that they need to surrender fully to the program.

I don't deny that they work with a lot of people, but it's definitely indoctrination.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 4:13:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I am an atheist, I don't believe in god, don't believe in higher powers, don't want god mentioned to me, don't want to be around people who're god believers, unless they keep it to themselves, and are ok with my complete disregard of Christianity, don't want anything to do with the subject, even in passing. It's a big barg of barf blech no thanks to me. I suppose if it was kept to an extreamly low roar I could tolerate religious overtones, maybe lol.

But I really was kind of interested in checking them out, the diabtes advice nurse recomended them for a good support network, even if you are not really quite an OE

Not everyone who believes in God is Christian, Tfb.

They obviously do mention God.
I have never been to a group that was preachy and that includes when I was living in the bible belt.

They have a saying: Take what you like and leave the rest. I am thinking that if you wanted to you could do that.

You don't see your eating as an issue.
The nurse thinks it might be and that you could use some support while you sort stuff out.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 4:31:00 PM

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"I out grew that impulse, but I still don't care to be aorund Christains who always wanna preach and convert an stuff. Keep it to yourself, and we'll get along fine. "

Same here, except sometimes it can bring on a robust debate. Believe it or not I am not totally an athiest, there is something after death I think, but logically noone can say what it is. And when they try, the first thing out of their mouth implies that everything I believe is bullshit. That I need their help to get on the right path.

This from people who probably don't have half my intelligence. Evidenced by the fact that they believe that the creator of all things gives us free will but yet micromanages our lives. Sometimes it's fun to watch them try to convert me.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 4:35:24 PM

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Maybe if churches sponsor them, or Chik Fil-A donates meals to them, we should boycott them.

Churches actually don't 'sponsor' twelve step groups. Many twelve step groups do have their meetings in churches, community centers, and the like because that is where meeting space is available. They pay rent. This is in conjunction with the seventh tradition: Every group should be fully self supporting, declining outside contributions.

Where in the hell you got the Chik Fil-A thing, I don't know.

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RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? - 2/1/2011 4:37:40 PM

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In my mind, the "Anonymous" groups are near-cultlike...they don't advocate one true religion, but they do advocate one true way, reinforcing to group members that anything they try outside of the twelve steps is doomed to fail and that they need to surrender fully to the program.

I don't deny that they work with a lot of people, but it's definitely indoctrination.

I don't agree with you. Yes, the recovery program does encourage the suggestion of abstinence, working steps, attending meetings, etc. However, they are very specific:

The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop.

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