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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:29:28 PM   
Hillwilliam


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So sorry, but the environmental extremists have been on record for years now, screaming the exact opposite. In reality Bush did his absolute best to put new energy sources online:

http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/airenergy_powerplants.asp

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Anybodywho thinks a power plant approved for construction since 1/20/2009 would be online already is a fool.

I was just going to point that out but you beat me to it. Any "new" power plant that isn't online now is because of Dubya.


Sanity, I read your link. It doesnt have one single thing to support your claim your claim.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:41:04 PM   
Sanity


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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:41:05 PM   
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And of course all those houses in Texas are built to the same state regs as houses in the northeast where dealing with this type of cold is more common.... lol

Something tells me 'live free or die' state government has just as much to do with the blackout problem there.


So what are you suggesting?

We need to increase housing and construction costs for millions because of freak/unusual weather? Housing needs to be prepared for anything?

Do I need to start digging under my basement/house foundation to create a bomb shelter in case of nuclear attack?

Those houses were built for "normal weather" conditions. This is abnormal.

I grew up in Western Colorado. We used a swamp cooler in the summer. After I moved to KS, I became acquainted with air conditioners. A few years after I moved, Western CO had a rather humid summer. My parents had to buy a couple of window a/c units.

You are suggesting that this was the fault of legislators. In reality, weather can and is strange.

Unfortunately in life, shit happens.




If I lived in a state that mandated certain energy efficiencies in housing construction to hedge against those freak occurrences, and I paid the premium in housing construction dollars, then I wouldn't want my electricity to be diverted there to bail them out simply because they chose not to do the same.

Rolling blackouts and hospitals without power?  Too bad, so sad....

I'm not blaming the legislature for the weather, but they did make a choice, and their gamble did not cover them in all possible circumstances.  They lost this one.  Now, they need to show some dignity in their loss, rather than complain about Washington.


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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:44:19 PM   
pahunkboy


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hospitals with no power is "too bad, so sad"?

I thought I was old and bitter....

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:45:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny, cant find anything on a reputable media outlet saying Texas is blaming Washington for power shortages.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:47:40 PM   
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Funny, cant find anything on a reputable media outlet saying Texas is blaming Washington for power shortages.


1.  focus on who is to blame

or

2. fix the problem, once and for all.


I doubt either party is blameless in this Enron gone wild world.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 8:59:18 PM   
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...man that is cruel!

hospitals with no power is "too bad, so sad"?





They wanted to "live free or die".  And they are getting exactly that.



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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:02:55 PM   
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Rolling blackouts and hospitals without power?  Too bad, so sad....



I thought that all hospitals were required to have backup generators in case of a power failure.


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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:09:17 PM   
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Rolling blackouts and hospitals without power?  Too bad, so sad....



I thought that all hospitals were required to have backup generators in case of a power failure.



If I understand this right- that helps for key things like surgeries- but it is limited and not ample.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:10:44 PM   
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...man that is cruel!

hospitals with no power is "too bad, so sad"?





They wanted to "live free or die".  And they are getting exactly that.





You most likely use a clothes dryer.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:19:41 PM   
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You most likely use a clothes dryer.





If I lived in a state that mandated energy efficiencies in home construction that saved the energy equivalent of 10 clothes dryers, I could split my laundry between 9 clothes dryers and still be less of an ecological problem than my brothers and sisters residing in Texas.



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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:24:10 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Not everyone can afford a new energy high- house. Particularly in my area where the house are built in  1900 and earlier. 

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:36:34 PM   
EternalHoH


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Status: offline 		Can you imagine a state with the political mindset of Texas having California's geological issues? What if the San Andreas Fault ran from Houston to DFW?  Would Texas have earthquake-proof building codes?  Or would that be too much of an attack on personal liberties for those who enjoy the 'hat and boots' act?  Would they demand action out of Washington to cover the greater natural disaster costs that arise from their legislative inaction?

Maybe that's why the southern border problem is such a chronic issue while the northern border is not. Maybe those southern "liberty states" need to look at the border in the way California preps for earthquakes. But then again, they may have to trample on some of those personal liberties and increase costs for everyone to achieve that goal.  Just ask California.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/3/2011 9:41:37 PM   
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You keep this up Hunky and I'm going to have to cut you loose. I don't know exactly what that means, but this shit is NOT WORTHY of a post here. It's just another asshole taking some facts and coming to a fucked up conclusion that only the insane would grasp, let alone embrace. Do you believe this shit or are you a government plant ?

Really. there are real "cooperations" going on all the time, and if this is the shit these people put forth I wouldn't trust them to fry me a fucking hamburger. I wouldn't even watch the video. The whole fucking thing is a bunch on noise in a noisy world. The text says enough. They are trying to shove their fucked up conclusions up my ass. I don't take it that way.

I'm telling you - THIS IS GETTING BORING. You are being counterproductive to the cause. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ? You make us look like  bunch of nuts with shit like this.

Stop.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 5:46:34 AM   
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Maybe that's why the southern border problem is such a chronic issue while the northern border is not.


That's right. It has nothing to do with the living conditions in Canada compared to the living conditions in Mexico.


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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 6:04:57 AM   
Sanity


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Compared to the U.S. living conditions can be as good or better South of the border. Its the system of government thats the main difference. And arent we are fast becoming a banana republic ourselves?

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That's right. It has nothing to do with the living conditions in Canada compared to the living conditions in Mexico.



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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 6:44:37 AM   
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Can you imagine a state with the political mindset of Texas having California's geological issues? What if the San Andreas Fault ran from Houston to DFW?  Would Texas have earthquake-proof building codes?  Or would that be too much of an attack on personal liberties for those who enjoy the 'hat and boots' act?  Would they demand action out of Washington to cover the greater natural disaster costs that arise from their legislative inaction?

Maybe that's why the southern border problem is such a chronic issue while the northern border is not. Maybe those southern "liberty states" need to look at the border in the way California preps for earthquakes. But then again, they may have to trample on some of those personal liberties and increase costs for everyone to achieve that goal.  Just ask California.



Why do you think this issue is limited to only Texas?  The whole grid is in dismal shape.  Outdated- and antiquated.  Look it up.   We have invested nothing in infastructure as a country.

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 7:28:11 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		ENERGY CRUNCH:
NM declares state of emergency over natural gas shortage...
TX residents asked to limit use...
Outage in AZ...
San Diego shortage...
Usage at record high in UT...
CA utility told to cut pipeline pressures...
SHELL oil postpones drilling in Arctic; Dem Sen. blames White House...
Mexico cancels offer to send electricity...
Obama's Blocking Of New Plants Triggers Nationwide Blackouts?

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 10:46:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mexico canceled transfer... but.. PP stated.

As well as hospitals, nursing homes, fire stations, police stations, other emergency response facilities have also been hit with outages as demand soars due to freezing temperatures. Many places in Texas now rely on Mexico to supply their power

Which is it?

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RE: Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nat... - 2/4/2011 11:18:15 AM   
pahunkboy


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Mexico canceled transfer... but.. PP stated.

As well as hospitals, nursing homes, fire stations, police stations, other emergency response facilities have also been hit with outages as demand soars due to freezing temperatures. Many places in Texas now rely on Mexico to supply their power

Which is it?


Maybe instead of complaining- you should be glad that PA does not have rolling black outs.

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