Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson Page: [1] 2 3 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 12:11:55 PM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline 		http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_f2053af0-e192-11df-9a00-001cc4c002e0.html

Found this interesting and pretty much as predicted.
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:20:24 PM   
flcouple2009


Posts: 2784
Joined: 1/8/2009
Status: offline 		I thought about clicking the link for a moment.  But then I noticed that one little word in the link,  OPINION, and thought better of it.

< Message edited by flcouple2009 -- 2/4/2011 1:21:21 PM >

(in reply to KenDckey)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:38:09 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline 		me too, LMAO

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to flcouple2009)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:43:03 PM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		Well silly people-  we have to pass the law - before we can know what is in it. 

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:49:04 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline 		If your opinion is reliable then we are all fucked

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:53:58 PM   
DomYngBlk


Posts: 3316
Joined: 3/27/2006
Status: offline 		Fuck me. I read it. Typical lunacy. And "opinion". Who the fuck that dude is nobody knows. Funny thing for me is....Now companies "want" to give their employees health insurance. Didn't they say just the opposite prior to this passing? That the escalation of health care costs of employees was going to run them out of business....If you were Mickey D's wouldn't you want the government to take over that responsibility and pay the 2000$ per employee penalty? Smells like yesterdays diapers to me.

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:56:42 PM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		....sure pick on McDonalds.     They are not the only corp to get waivers.   I mean- we see waivers gone wild- which begs the question- if everyone wanted this- then why are hundreds of waivers issued?

(in reply to DomYngBlk)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 1:58:55 PM   
DomYngBlk


Posts: 3316
Joined: 3/27/2006
Status: offline 		I'll answer as soon as you tell me why Corp's are so giddy about giving health care to employees all the sudden. My question was first.

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 2:09:01 PM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		Meanwhile Obama sent a letter to all 50 states telling the govrs how to fuck the people out of medicaid. 

(in reply to DomYngBlk)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 2:10:20 PM   
DomYngBlk


Posts: 3316
Joined: 3/27/2006
Status: offline 		Yep, no response. Figured as much. Let me know when you get that answer

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 2:12:31 PM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		How would YOU know anything about McDonalds health ins policies?

They are after all one of your states shining corporations.

(in reply to DomYngBlk)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/4/2011 2:18:56 PM   
DomYngBlk


Posts: 3316
Joined: 3/27/2006
Status: offline 		Wasn't my question Pa......Just want to know from you why all US Corp all of the sudden want to hold onto employee health care. Pre Health care you'd think that there was no way they could stay in business and still provide care....what changed?

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 4:24:22 AM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

I thought about clicking the link for a moment.  But then I noticed that one little word in the link,  OPINION, and thought better of it.


Trying to understand the comment, I guess this means that opinions of the people don't count.  Correct?

(in reply to flcouple2009)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 4:31:46 AM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline 		http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2010-10-07-healthlaw07_ST_N.htm

McDonald’s given exemption so it doesn’t have to meet the statute requirements

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703431604575522413101063070.html

$2,000 benefit cap

Does not meet the Federal Law

McDonald's fighting back



< Message edited by KenDckey -- 2/5/2011 4:32:23 AM >

(in reply to KenDckey)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 4:35:46 AM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I'll answer as soon as you tell me why Corp's are so giddy about giving health care to employees all the sudden. My question was first.


Because they aren't required to meet the legal requirement.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2010-10-07-healthlaw07_ST_N.htm

(in reply to DomYngBlk)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:09:56 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		The waivers are effective for a year and were granted to insurance plans and companies that showed that employee premiums would rise or that workers would lose coverage without them, Santillo says.


_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to KenDckey)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:39:22 AM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline 		Yup exactly.   And they didn't want to be the first to go on record that they were going to drop insurance.   I wonder tho, and since I doubt anyone has the specifics as it would be a company secret, if the individual contributions would increase, does that cover the increase in profits for the insurance company where they are making less than their legislated profit margin currently?    I kknow   no response required.   But it is courious that the premiums would rise under this plan.  

My premiums for my govt provided insurance (the one I opted out from) were approx $350 a month.   The other got one that I did keep is $100 a month.   My wife's cobra payment for Wal-mart was $460 a month.    These are facts based upon my personal experience with the civilian insurance world (one which I will admit make very little sense to me).     Now if that is required to cover the statutory amount + profit margin I wonder how the insurance police (my new govt sub agency of the IRS to enforce this and cheaper to get agents than using current treasurery agents) is going to find out what is profit and what is expense.   And am I gonna have to testify if they aren't (along with all the other plan participants)

Now if we have to raise the employees rates at McDonalds to cover the same coverage, and just for shits and giggles we will say that the kids are getting 20 hr weeks, then their cost would be $175 a month.   At minimum wage (I don't know what they make so that is what I am using for discussion purposes) then they would have to work to pay for the $160 a month increase (the $175 premimum minus the $15 a month they are currently paying) or about 22hrs a month (hmmmmm that is 2 hrs more than they are working - something wrong with this picture).

Just wondering

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:51:40 AM   
DomYngBlk


Posts: 3316
Joined: 3/27/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I'll answer as soon as you tell me why Corp's are so giddy about giving health care to employees all the sudden. My question was first.


Because they aren't required to meet the legal requirement.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2010-10-07-healthlaw07_ST_N.htm



Still not an answer. think beyond mickey d's to the rest of the economy. You don't hear CEO's jumping up and down saying "Yes, we will put our employees on the Govt' plan and not provide health care" Actually you are hearing just the opposite. Which, is the opposite of what was happening prior to the Health care Debate. Logic would say Corporate America would drop all their health plans based on cost and the amount of productivity gains by not having employees and staff worry about its rules and administration. Overall payroll costs come down since the whole teams of people that companies have to administer company run health care plans can be let go.......Again, why do they want to keep them?

(in reply to KenDckey)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:52:55 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

My premiums for my govt provided insurance (the one I opted out from) were approx $350 a month. The other got one that I did keep is $100 a month. My wife's cobra payment for Wal-mart was $460 a month. These are facts based upon my personal experience with the civilian insurance world (one which I will admit make very little sense to me). Now if that is required to cover the statutory amount + profit margin I wonder how the insurance police (my new govt sub agency of the IRS to enforce this and cheaper to get agents than using current treasurery agents) is going to find out what is profit and what is expense. And am I gonna have to testify if they aren't (along with all the other plan participants)


Cobra plans were designed to keep people from wanting to pay for them.

What government insurance did you opt out of for 350 and what insurance did you find for 100 to replace it?

quote:

Now if we have to raise the employees rates at McDonalds to cover the same coverage, and just for shits and giggles we will say that the kids are getting 20 hr weeks, then their cost would be $175 a month. At minimum wage (I don't know what they make so that is what I am using for discussion purposes) then they would have to work to pay for the $160 a month increase (the $175 premimum minus the $15 a month they are currently paying) or about 22hrs a month (hmmmmm that is 2 hrs more than they are working - something wrong with this picture).


Their cost is no where close to that. Essential Care is the group plan for McDonalds. You are talking about 10 - 15 dollars a week. These have limited benefits, higher end deductibles, and add ons cost (such as dental).

Pst, your math is a bit off. Im curious as to where you got your monetary figures from.

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 2/5/2011 5:55:08 AM >

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to KenDckey)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:53:55 AM   
KenDckey


Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline 		I thought you were supporthing the position taht companies do want to keep them.   In that case, beats me.   Doesn't make cost effective since.   Except in the case of where the union negotiated it.

(in reply to DomYngBlk)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson Page: [1] 2 3 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109