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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 12:36:14 PM   
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To the OP,

Having re-read your earlier posts and having read your profile ... I think most of the comments on this thread have been bang on. It saddens me that you do not see the red flags we are seeing.

I wish you well in your search,
Wickad


Agreed, that "pedestal" he mentions sounds more like a cage to me....

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 12:51:45 PM   
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Well now your reply makes me feel as if you think I am full of myself...and perhaps I am and simply full of shit as well. 


Nobody on the planet could think you're full of it. Stop being a dick, Otters.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 1:56:55 PM   
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Oh, all right then, carry on.  

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 8:51:10 PM   
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so what are the red flags that you see? if your going to say that could you at least do the decent thing and explain?

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 9:28:18 PM   
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LadyConstanze, i dont understand how saying 'i tend to put women on a pedestal' is such a bad thing, that equates to a 'cage'. the reason i do it is becuase when i see the world around me, the vast majority of the evil in the world is done by men - rape, child abuse, serial killers, ethnic clensing during war etc. thats all im saying. and its a statistical fact. how is observing and acknowledging that putting women in a cage. im just making an observation on reality.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 10:11:26 PM   
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sometimes, the pedestal IS the cage, by being made to feel as if one may never step off of it.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 10:21:55 PM   
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You are without a doubt, one of the more self aware, and selfless people on these boards.   You should charge the confused people for your advice.   Lord knows, I've run into people with these questions, and not being a top notch psychiatrist, I can only advice they get help, and clear out their thoughts (to which they never listen).

You're selfless in your advice here, and anyone who fails to heed it, is getting top notch advice for free, and dismissing it.   No reflection on you, since you seem selfless and helpful.    M

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/8/2011 11:43:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nakedplaything

so what are the red flags that you see? if your going to say that could you at least do the decent thing and explain?


The tone of this (which was also sent to my personal email) for one.

Wickad

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 8:16:44 AM   
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The tone of this (which was also sent to my personal email) for one.

Wickad

I see you had this issue, too.




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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 8:28:55 AM   
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even pedestals are based on simplified/stylized/fetishized versions of reality. they are limited scope, and made up of assumptions, accepted behavior and stereotypes. a pedestal is no better than a cage when they are both made of the same thing.
women don't prance around in hosiery to feel our delightful femininity -- they're not very comfortable for the most part, they roll up, they bind, sometimes the crotch is too low or the waist is too high. that's the way this perception of "femininity" fits many women, too -- people have a preconception of what is "feminine" and what isn't -- but many women just don't fit it to a T. people judge your worth on how you fit it, and what do you do as a woman when you are female but you dont fit the ideal of "femininity"? espousing some belief in the power of femininity doesn't do much for women at all except to further box them in.

example: i am a female submissive. many people discount my behavior and my actions because they feel that that's what i should be doing anyway. =p because their perception of femininity is demure, soft, submissive. well how does that make me feel about myself? that there's no conscious thought to what i'm doing? im just acting out rote instinct based on my chromosomes? that discounts the work and time and thought i put into everything i do.

do you understand that?

and many female Dominants have to deal with being either extremely opposite of that, or with people professing that they are really submissives because they want to wear a dress and make-up once in a while.

edited to add: here's how the statistical thing about "men make all the evil!" boils down for women and becomes a cage. you do know that women commit crimes, right? women rape men, women abuse and kill. their children. women strap on bombs and blow themselves up in public squares, sometimes women use their "wiles" to motivate horrible behavior by men because they know they have that power. women are pretty diabolical at times and while men are more obvious about their aggression, women are often passive aggressive and sneaky. a husband may shoot his wife, but a wife might poison her husband with antifreeze in his favorite soup, all while pretending to care for him.
women fart, women poop, women egg on bad behavior in men, and snipe about each other behind everyone's backs.
those are HUMAN things. women are human and do bad things, too.
when you state this blindingly brilliant opinion that women are not the perpetrators of evil, women are soft and sweet and made of sugar, you're forgetting or totally factoring out the SPICE.
you limit your scope of what women are, and then when a woman engages in a human behavior like being spiteful or hurtful or doing something bad, it turns the world upside down and you believe in your heart of hearts that something MUST be wrong with her.

nope, she's simply being a human being.
no human deserves a pedestal. we just want to walk on earth with the rest of you.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 8:56:02 AM   
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*applauds*

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 9:01:07 AM   
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Passive aggressive and sneaky is not a female trait; it is a strategy of the relatively powerless rebelling against those who hold all or most of the power.  It is also how they teach soldiers to resist if they are captured by overwhelming force.   Simple but crucial distinction.


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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 9:11:00 AM   
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GreedyTop -- haha thanks!

LadyNTrainer -- i'm not saying passive aggressive behavior is specifically female, but many women engage in it due to social conditioning. poisoning is a common tactic used by female murderers -- most females don't come right out and shoot someone, they do something more passive (at least according to criminal psychology). many women grow up being taught that they were supposed to be prim and proper, while boys grew up being rowdy and in-your-face. that conditioning remains, and passive-aggression is often the only outlet that people like this feel they have.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 9:23:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep
LadyNTrainer -- i'm not saying passive aggressive behavior is specifically female, but many women engage in it due to social conditioning. poisoning is a common tactic used by female murderers -- most females don't come right out and shoot someone, they do something more passive (at least according to criminal psychology). many women grow up being taught that they were supposed to be prim and proper, while boys grew up being rowdy and in-your-face. that conditioning remains, and passive-aggression is often the only outlet that people like this feel they have.


Correct.  During the era that African-Americans were kept as slaves, they also engaged in passive-aggressive resistance as their only realistic outlet.  I think most people would agree that characterizing passive aggression and sneakiness as African-American traits would be a very serious and offensive mistake however.  It's very much situational. 


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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 9:54:52 AM   
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LadyNTrainer -- i'm not saying passive aggressive behavior is specifically female, but many women engage in it due to social conditioning. poisoning is a common tactic used by female murderers -- most females don't come right out and shoot someone, they do something more passive (at least according to criminal psychology). many women grow up being taught that they were supposed to be prim and proper, while boys grew up being rowdy and in-your-face. that conditioning remains, and passive-aggression is often the only outlet that people like this feel they have.
During the era that African-Americans were kept as slaves, they also engaged in passive-aggressive resistance as their only realistic outlet.  I think most people would agree that characterizing passive aggression and sneakiness as African-American traits would be a very serious and offensive mistake however.  It's very much situational.
Please clarify LnT, if you would.   Are you saying the psychology LBP refers to, is no longer aplicable, because girls are no longer being raised differently, and expected to behave differently on a vast scale?
Are you further making the point, that characterizing social norms (which often pay off for women, when they behave, look, and marry rich), is just like characterizing what slaves had to do to survive?   M

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 10:06:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Wickad
The tone of this (which was also sent to my personal email) for one.

Wickad

I see you had this issue, too.


nakedplaything:

W.L. Bateman had it right when he said:


"If you keep on doing what you've always done, you'll keep on getting what you've always got."



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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 11:41:23 AM   
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So he wrote to all of us? Interesting.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 12:08:48 PM   
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If your post is any indication, Hib, that's at least three.  It wouldn't surprise Me if the number were truly higher.  Not the first time we've had folks post a question on the boards and believe that it was an open invitation to send private messages on the subject and they would be welcome.

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 12:30:56 PM   
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Please clarify LnT, if you would.   Are you saying the psychology LBP refers to, is no longer aplicable, because girls are no longer being raised differently, and expected to behave differently on a vast scale?
Are you further making the point, that characterizing social norms (which often pay off for women, when they behave, look, and marry rich), is just like characterizing what slaves had to do to survive?   M


No.  I'm saying that passive aggression and sneaky tactics to get what you want, rather than direct confrontation, is a classic response of anyone who is at a significant disadvantage in terms of power or authority.  You will see this behavior in primate social structures as well, enacted by both males and females.  It tends to be the situational behavior of a disenfranchised social class rather than of a gender. 

Many different situations may cause the situation of a real or perceived power imbalance in a relationship.  LBP cited one possible example.  There are many others.  Slavery (the nonconsensual kind), prisoners of war, social class hierarchies, economic hierarchies, differences in physical strength, cultural norms of who openly holds the power and authority, etc, are all factors in a situational response of passive aggressive resistance. 

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RE: query to fd's about forced fem involving sheer hosiery - 2/9/2011 1:42:12 PM   
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Thank you.   M

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