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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 1:13:47 AM

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 1:18:52 AM

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On some days, even I question that... lol

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 1:31:27 AM

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which is a very very good thing.

Not if you're really bloody rich.

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 12:39:45 PM

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I'm trying not to hijack too much, but the question now - if you just buy a cheap cellphone and don't even activate it, can you call 911 ?

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 1:03:42 PM

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I'm trying not to hijack too much, but the question now - if you just buy a cheap cellphone and don't even activate it, can you call 911 ?

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 7:51:40 PM

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Do we have the RIGHT to a dial tone ? Would that be one of them inalienable rights ?

I don't believe that anyone, anywhere, said that people have a 'right' to a dial tone. In many areas, providing emergency 9-1-1 service wherever possible is viewed as a 'public good' but that doesn't mean it's an inalienable right.

Many places also require that you be provided telephone service, at your request, for a reasonable fee, no matter how rural or inaccessible your home is. This doesn't mean that you have a 'right' to phone service.

And yes ... there's a cost to these things. The other phone service subscribers pay slightly more to subsidize the emergency services or the cost of extreme rural phone service that's above and beyond the fees charged.

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Soooooo, if they provide it and you don't have to pay anything, they only have to provide what they deem appropriate.

If you're getting it for free, you're not really in a position to complain about what they're giving you. If you don't want it, never turn on that old phone.

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You can call 911, but not sister Flo. You can call the fire dept but not your Mother. You can call the police but not your friend.

They kinda slipped that control in on ya huh ? When you pay, you control.

Control? If you want to call your relatives, buy phone service. I don't think that you (this is the generic you - any phone owner) is being "controlled" by being provided a free service that lets them get emergency services in the event they need them. You might bitch about unfairly having to pay for this service even if you don't want it - but in the grand scheme of taxes which you are forced to pay that provide you no benefit, the 9-1-1 service is nowhere near the top of the list, in my mind - and if you get hit by a bus or fall down a flight of stairs and someone else calls 9-1-1, those little fees would more than pay for themselves. Hell, two or three times I've called 9-1-1 to report auto accidents or request an ambulance when I've stopped to help someone.

Now, I suppose the phone companies can complain that they're being "controlled" - forced to provide a free service regardless of whether they think it's a good business decision or not - but I don't have a lot of sympathy for Verizon to start with so and so I'm not weeping for them having to provide emergency services.

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 9:28:05 PM

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"I don't believe that anyone, anywhere, said that people have a 'right' to a dial tone"

This is true. I just asked it.

From a Constitutional point of view, no. Back in those days is was a boon to have the post office, and telegrams which I think came later. Then telephone and all that followed. You can't do that without some government involvement. Without the FCC there would be no radio stations, that you could count on. It would be like the CB radio, whoever has the most power to step on the competitor's signal.

Take ham radio. There are places where that's about all you get, except satelite these days. But you also can transmit. In that case, though the government did not supply it, the must administer it. You buy a ham radio it works on certain frequencies. You expect them, and you have to get the right antenna. You have to get this and it must comform, otherwise you are talking to noone.

Now this is different. This is something the government intends to supply. It did not come with the place. Some will say if it saves one life - - - -

Bullshit. Watch them put all this shit in, and have almost nobody use it. Or do they go door to door with free computers ?

No, this is all about the infrastructure. Well why don't they find a way to pave roads up in the northeast so we can actually USE them sometime ? How about the rotting pipes hissing gas under the ground, sewers draining into streams, not to mention the discombobulated rail system, and that some are considering selling our toll roads to foreign investors for some quick cash ?

But this is a priority. Little Johnny can't read because he can't get on the internet. Bullmotherfuckingshit. Just what do you type into google if you can't read ? Mlhidlhfhahif ? OK, you got 134,893 hits. Now there's a well structured education. Little Johnny can't read because the electricity in the house is shut off and he froze to death last week.

But this is a priority.

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/14/2011 10:15:23 PM

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First you were opposed because it represented government intrusion, and when it was pointed out to you that it was no such thing, you deftly switched horses midstream and now you are opposed because you think other infrastructure projects are more important...what's next?

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/15/2011 12:14:10 AM

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Perhaps you misunderstand me. I try to understand both sides of an argument intimately. I can take sides, and if I do then I know a bit more about the other side right ?

I shifted between infrastructure and "welfarenet" ? The whole thread did.

I'll boil it down. This would be a good thing. If it did provide some measure of access, even limited free access (or not) it would be a good thing. However we are faced with problem orders of magnitude greater, and some more imminent.

So another project we get to pay for, another loser that the private sector won't touch with a ten foot pole becomes a priority. I'm glad things are going so well in your country, where is that ? Unfortunately in my country we have a jury rigged infrastructure that should've been replaced fifty years ago, people living and dying on the streets, threats exaserbated by borders like a seive and an almost ten trillion dollar balance on our credit card.

How badly do we need this ? Is it more important than other more pressing problems ? That is the dilemma. I don't know about others, but I think when serious problems arise, even if other problems are solved at the same time, the most pressing problem gets priority. Everything else must work in concert with that. As such, we want to bring this technology to places where it wasn't. In this light, what will it benefit us ? Will some kid in the Ozarks cure cancer or something ? Realistically, we have to look for the gain potential. I don't see any gain back from the money spent. This is something people generally don't miss because they never had it. Maybe they are better off. If they wanted to live in the big city, maybe they should consider moving to the big city.

It still would be a good thing, if we could afford it.

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RE: Free Government Internet - 2/15/2011 6:19:52 AM

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free and government go together like water and fire

they should put that on kids iq tests lol

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