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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:16:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Since it's obviously constitutional, it's an entirely legitimate tactic. Republicans don't like it? Tough shit, and fuck them. Let 'em simmer. Where did you see in that article that it was constitutional? It's obviously not forbidden by the Wisconsin State Constitution, ergo it is constitutional. As Rich points out, it's a mechanism that for whatever reason or reasons is built into the Constitution, and whether or not this was the intended reason is immaterial. It's allowed, therefore it's legitimate. However extreme it may seem.

tazzygirl -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:21:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse We have our one, and soon to be only black president. To be completely honest, that is about the most racist thing I have seen on these boards to date.

TheHeretic -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:24:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda genuinely patriotic Americans That's one way to describe them, Panda. I prefer, "people who have forgotten who the fuck they work for."

tazzygirl -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:27:02 PM)
OK... someone update me quick... Wisconsin is saying they are broke and cant afford the benefits to the public union members? That about it in a nutshell?

TheHeretic -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:29:52 PM)
Smells like a trap, to me.

tazzygirl -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:30:45 PM)
awww... do i scare you, Rich?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:35:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda genuinely patriotic Americans That's one way to describe them, Panda. I prefer, "people who have forgotten who the fuck they work for." Their employer is blatantly and deliberately destroying their labor union by unilaterally legislating it out of existence. How would you expect them to react?

tazzygirl -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:40:02 PM)
~FR Didnt think anyone would answer that directly. Fact is, the state is in a budget shortfall because of bills and spending that Walker enacted himself. One Wisconsin Now, the progressive watchdog group that has provided the closest monitoring of Walker’s budgetary gamesmanship, explains: “Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes: “• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs. “• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants. “• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.” http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist. The Fiscal Bureau memo -- which readers can access at http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf -- makes it clear that Walker did not inherit a budget that required a repair bill. The facts are not debatable. Same link...

TheHeretic -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:45:07 PM)
quote: How would you expect them to react? Suitably chastised, Panda.

jlf1961 -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:46:23 PM)
But he is a fiscally responsible conservative republican, he would not do anything like you accuse him of... Please note the sarcasm in this post.

Arpig -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 9:58:34 PM)
~FR~ After skimming over the whole thread, a thought comes to me....I am not all that sure that the legislature can unilaterally revoke an existing contract, I'm pretty sure it would end up in court, and up here I expect the union would win.

Aylee -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 11:09:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda It's obviously not forbidden by the Wisconsin State Constitution, ergo it is constitutional. As Rich points out, it's a mechanism that for whatever reason or reasons is built into the Constitution, and whether or not this was the intended reason is immaterial. It's allowed, therefore it's legitimate. However extreme it may seem. You have got to be kidding me. I will bet that the Wisconsin State Constitution does not have an article forbidding its cities receiving an H-bomb. Or bringing in its own Typhoid Mary. If the Governor is allowed to have state troopers gather and return these senators, then it is apparent that they are doing something illegal. The fact that they are not to be impeded in their efforts to arrive to the legislature building means that by fleeing their duties, they are guilty of malfeasance. If they are not showing up for work, yet are still receiving the money, then they are stealing. It does not get simpler than that.

truckinslave -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:14:34 AM)
"If its as meaningless as you make it out to be, why did they take down the map with the crosshair targets? " Because far too many of have yet to learn that negotiating with terroroists and/or appeasing libtards is counterproductive.

DomKen -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:14:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse When it comes down to it, it really doesn't matter what the libs on collarme think about Scott Walker and the republicans in Wisconsin. As president Obama said after he was elected in 2008, elections mean something. This election in Wisconsin is no dfferent. It also meant something to the folks that voted. Republicans won, democrats lost. That's it..This is my final word on this thread..GO PACK And as the glorious GOP showed in 2009 and 2010 the minority party can do anything to obstruct the will majority and that is a noble patriotic thing. Reap what you sow dumbasses.

Moonhead -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:18:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig ~FR~ After skimming over the whole thread, a thought comes to me....I am not all that sure that the legislature can unilaterally revoke an existing contract, I'm pretty sure it would end up in court, and up here I expect the union would win. A good point. Maybe the protestors are just trying to spare Walker that embarrassment?

truckinslave -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:21:12 AM)
"It is certainly not for the extravagant salaries" Sure it is. You might compare the average teachers salary (in Wis, or generally) to the average earnings of other citizens with four year degrees.

truckinslave -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:22:54 AM)
"Let them go into the private sector and get real jobs if they dont like what the state is offering." We all know why they don't do that.

DomKen -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:25:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: What I find outrageous is that we require teachers to be highly educated and highly accomplished at a very difficult profession but the mass of society expects them to work for chump change, crappy benefits, lousy working conditions and public condemnation. Highly educated? Elementary through high school teachers in WI are required to have a BA or BS and complete a certification program if that degree is not in education. While it is more education than many have, I think of at least a Master's when someone speaks of being 'highly educated'. The bachelors and teaching certificate are simply the beginning. They also have to pursue continuing education which is more than most anyone except lawyers and doctors. quote: Highly accomplished? I guess that depends on your meaning. They're expected to teach at a very high standard. That is no mean feat. quote: Wow. $48,000/ yr for a job that comes with 15 weeks of vacation is chump change? Who knew? Then you have no idea what a person with a good degree can make. As I said above I have a BS in math, required for HS math teachers, and was making just over 100k/year until I got sick with 10 weeks of vacation a year. And my vacation was when I wanted not designated by someone else. quote: Crappy benefits? A whole lot of private sector workers would love to have those 'crappy' benefits. That's sort of the point. quote: I'll leave the 'lousy working conditions', as I do not know what the working conditions are like for teachers in WI Mandated working hours well in excess of 8 hours, required taking of work home and dealing with 30+ kids who know the teacher can do little to nothing to maintain order in the classroom. quote: Public condemnation? If you say so. I tend to blame the parents if little Johnny turns out to be a complete asshat. You might want to look around, there is a thread active on this forum full of bashing of teachers.

truckinslave -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:25:28 AM)
The savings from that, compared to the billions the state needs, wouldn't make a pimple on my ass. Much less yours. Maybe the union prez should run for governor, if the rank and file will agree to make up the pay cut he'd suffer if he won.

truckinslave -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/19/2011 5:27:24 AM)
They, most clearly and especially the "lawmakers" who fled the state, are in fact trying to nullify an election.

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