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joether -> USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 12:54:45 AM)
I've seen a number of sites post that the USA is like 25th in world education. Given the degree and depth that we have all observed of posters of the conservative philosophy on such topics as economics, politics, religion, and even science. Has anyone ever heard of a study in which kids were tested on how well they do in school (exams, achievements, etc), when their parent's (or parent, if single parent household) political belief/outlook is a key component? Since on these boards, I've observed a large number of conservative folks display an utter lack of knowledge on how to make a proper arguement. The disuse of sourcing one's arguement. In many cases, calling people names (either the person they are responding to or of the topic nature). Failure to even distinquish between a 'blog', 'journalistic quality writing' and 'conspiracy theory'. And simply displaying a lack of knowledge on a given subject matter. I would wonder if children, whom are exposed to a mentality that is limited to the 6th grade in maturity and knowledge, does or does not have an affect on a child? That the child hears and sees the adult behaving like a child and assumes they, themselves can behave in the same manner. Dont know of any study like this at current. In ways, it would be tough to collect data in a fair and objective manner. Not to mention the study's purpose is borderline unethical. Still would be curious to find out what effects we would see in today's young people, when exposed to both conservative and liberal philosophies in their parents. It has been studied that parents that take an active interest in their child's schooling, shows increased scores and more likelyhood of academical achievement. Does a parent's political outlook also have an affect on a child's schooling?

KenDckey -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 3:35:16 AM)
Joe. When I was in the Army I wrote a regulation. When I got it back from the Adjutant General's office, they told me that I had to many big words and had to change them. The regulation was written for college graduates (officers). The justification from the AG was that college graduates can only read at an average of 9th grade level That was 1985. I wonder what level they can read at now. Any Idea?

thishereboi -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 6:24:48 AM)
I notice that you always see the problems on the right but never the left. Do you think your ignorance is due to your parents political affiliation? Were they bigots too? Did they teach you to hate? Did their outlook have an affect on your postings today?

KenDckey -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 6:36:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I notice that you always see the problems on the right but never the left. Do you think your ignorance is due to your parents political affiliation? Were they bigots too? Did they teach you to hate? Did their outlook have an affect on your postings today? Presuming you are talking about me, my parents were both Dems> Does that answer your questions?

DarkSteven -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 6:55:30 AM)
What is "education"? I have seen the term used both for educational level achieved, and for ability to communicate and understand concepts. And even for dollars expended on education, and the hell with the results of the dollars spent. I've known lots of college grads that couldn't think clearly nor present themselves properly. Seriously, who cares if people have college degrees or not? Some Arab nations have phenomenal rates of college grads and their economy is built on petrodollars alone. Although I cannot imagine a successful country with a low literacy rate, I say that individual wellbeing (longevity, per capita income, etc.) matters a lot more than education level. OP mentions "how well children do in school"... I've known several students that did so well in school that they became perpetual students and never contributed. In other words, I don't like the metric being used.

thishereboi -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 6:57:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I notice that you always see the problems on the right but never the left. Do you think your ignorance is due to your parents political affiliation? Were they bigots too? Did they teach you to hate? Did their outlook have an affect on your postings today? Presuming you are talking about me, my parents were both Dems> Does that answer your questions? at the bottom right of every post it says who the post is in reply to. In mine it says (in reply to joether) Now why would you think that meant I was talking about you?

defiantbadgirl -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 6:58:13 AM)
Of course US education levels are lower. We're being compared to countries where students don't need to take on thousands of dollars in debt to attend college.

tazzygirl -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 7:16:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Joe. When I was in the Army I wrote a regulation. When I got it back from the Adjutant General's office, they told me that I had to many big words and had to change them. The regulation was written for college graduates (officers). The justification from the AG was that college graduates can only read at an average of 9th grade level That was 1985. I wonder what level they can read at now. Any Idea? Because, Ken, when you wrote that in 1985, some of the men reading and having to follow it enlisted in 1965 or eariler. Many men couldnt read at a 6th grade level then.

Kirata -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 7:28:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Since on these boards, I've observed a large number of conservative folks display an utter lack of knowledge on how to make a proper arguement. The disuse of sourcing one's arguement. In many cases, calling people names (either the person they are responding to or of the topic nature). Failure to even distinquish between a 'blog', 'journalistic quality writing' and 'conspiracy theory'. And simply displaying a lack of knowledge on a given subject matter. It's shameful, isn't it? Hell, I've even seen some people who can't spell or form an English sentence! K.

thishereboi -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 7:31:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Since on these boards, I've observed a large number of conservative folks display an utter lack of knowledge on how to make a proper arguement. The disuse of sourcing one's arguement. In many cases, calling people names (either the person they are responding to or of the topic nature). Failure to even distinquish between a 'blog', 'journalistic quality writing' and 'conspiracy theory'. And simply displaying a lack of knowledge on a given subject matter. It's shameful, isn't it? Hell, I've even seen some people who can't spell or form an English sentence! K. Yea, but he wasn't talking about himself. He was trying to slam the ones on the right. We can get to the bigots later.

Termyn8or -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 7:50:35 AM)
"Did their outlook have an affect on your postings today? " Nuff said. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 7:56:49 AM)
"It has been studied that parents that take an active interest in their child's schooling," You don't say. So is it that one type pays more attention, or is it the ideology ? Remember, people seem to find that which they seek. It might also help to define "consevervative". The word seems to be in the less viscuous part of the "language" these days. T^T

hlen5 -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 8:10:59 AM)
If anyone wants to get really alarmed about USA education levels, they should watch "Waiting for Superman". It's a documentary about how our school system is failing our children. Another point it makes is the long term effects ([;)])of such failures.

KenDckey -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 8:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Joe. When I was in the Army I wrote a regulation. When I got it back from the Adjutant General's office, they told me that I had to many big words and had to change them. The regulation was written for college graduates (officers). The justification from the AG was that college graduates can only read at an average of 9th grade level That was 1985. I wonder what level they can read at now. Any Idea? Because, Ken, when you wrote that in 1985, some of the men reading and having to follow it enlisted in 1965 or eariler. Many men couldnt read at a 6th grade level then. Actually Tazzy it was written for 2nd LT's the officers that were the newest to the military and most recent college grads. I wish you were right tho. <sigh>

tazzygirl -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 9:34:45 AM)
And you believed those would be the only ones required to read and understand them?

DomKen -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 9:51:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Given the degree and depth that we have all observed of posters of the conservative philosophy on such topics as economics, politics, religion, and even science. Has anyone ever heard of a study in which kids were tested on how well they do in school (exams, achievements, etc), when their parent's (or parent, if single parent household) political belief/outlook is a key component? Funnily enough there is such a statistic available. There are numerous rankings of student achievement by state. The bottom of the pile is almost always the same group of very conservative states.

popeye1250 -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 10:24:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: joether Given the degree and depth that we have all observed of posters of the conservative philosophy on such topics as economics, politics, religion, and even science. Has anyone ever heard of a study in which kids were tested on how well they do in school (exams, achievements, etc), when their parent's (or parent, if single parent household) political belief/outlook is a key component? Funnily enough there is such a statistic available. There are numerous rankings of student achievement by state. The bottom of the pile is almost always the same group of very conservative states. There's a lot of dummies here in S. Carolina. You know what we do with them? We send them up to Massachusetts to teach school.

Musicmystery -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 10:32:04 AM)
quote: I've seen a number of sites post that the USA is like 25th in world education. In many instances, we have a populace and students who are resistant to education and even proud of their ignorance. A significant stumbling block.

tazzygirl -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 10:34:13 AM)
But that's the teachers fault (to hear some tell it)

Musicmystery -> RE: USA Education Levels (2/23/2011 10:39:24 AM)
We have poor teachers too, and a faulty teacher education system. And why not? It's no longer a universally valued good in the U.S.

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