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Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 11:59:23 AM   
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Those of you who hold the laws of physics so near and dear may need to fasten your mental seat-belts or is it loosen them a bit?

John Christie's Magnet Motor that touts up to 5 times the power consumed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnsYUYfMtXk

While looking for a cure for cancer he found this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPfiOwqlk0&playnext=1&list=PLB36CCEEDB122C29E

Cold Fusion heats up again!
http://pesn.com/2011/02/22/9501770_Rossi_cold_fusion_reactor_achieves_15_kW_for_18_hours/

The search for green alternatives to fossil fuels have produced some amazing discoveries.

Looking for ways to power a remote cabin inexpensively has brought me to over 10 alternative "future" fuels which in some cases have been in use for over a year now corporately or on the way to a household near you.

If they hadn't been independently validated by some of the more prestigious scientific and corporate powerhouses I would probably be much more skeptical albeit while still being hopeful.

The future is bright and powered by a device you will own.


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 12:23:08 PM   
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John Christie's Magnet Motor that touts up to 5 times the power consumed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnsYUYfMtXk

I suspect that this is a hoax. If it was ufo technology it would both be a lot chepaer - and the inventors would be dead.

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While looking for a cure for cancer he found this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPfiOwqlk0&playnext=1&list=PLB36CCEEDB122C29E

The energy is supplied by the radio waves. So as an energy producer this technology is a hoax.

IF - big if - them gold atoms would indeed preferentially attach themselves to cancer cells, then the technology might conceivably be effective against (perchance a few) cancers.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 12:30:02 PM   
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What about this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1iqa0dSJO0

Looks like some major corporate names in the power and investment industries have fallen for it. Not to mention over 50 validation tests "locally" done as well as independently.



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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 12:55:29 PM   
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The energy is supplied by the radio waves. So as an energy producer this technology is a hoax.

IF - big if - them gold atoms would indeed preferentially attach themselves to cancer cells, then the technology might conceivably be effective against (perchance a few) cancers.

No if to it..it's been proven by the scientific community independently to work. As for it being a power source..well that's still being tested in labs across the US...The idea that you could easily extract Hydrogen gas from water is a big deal in itself. It seems pretty commercially promising at this junction.


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 1:00:57 PM   
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I suspect that this is a hoax. If it was ufo technology it would both be a lot chepaer - and the inventors would be dead.


Oh I don't know about that..I've personally seen some forms of what others would call "perpetual machines"..both of which weren't and couldn't probably be made to work commercially on a larger scale but nevertheless..They did work.

One worked off of magnets and the other was a closed loop electrical motor system that ran a light-bulb with excess power. Nothing really to speak of but hey...


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 4:07:42 PM   
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Really? That's it? Potentially some of the most world changing discoveries in history and that's all that's said? lol

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 4:45:55 PM   
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Umm, a better way to clip toe nails would be a world changing invention.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 4:55:07 PM   
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Umm, a better way to clip toe nails would be a world changing invention.

I suppose on some peoples scale you'd be correct. Looking at the responses, you might have a finger on the mental pulse of this nation.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 5:08:33 PM   
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Let's just say we don't spend all day frantically monitoring your posts.

The first is a violation of thermodynamics.  No one's made a generating system yet where you can extract more energy out than you put in - because it violates the laws of thermodynamics.

When I see that PESN (fusion article) is a site that's supposed to represent alternative energy systems but has to make its own Wiki specializing in all the "nut job" energy sources then no, I don't take them seriously. 

"PESWiki is designed to be a work station for the world of inventors and investigators into the exciting field of alternative energy technologies that are clean, renewable, inexpensive, and practical. PESWiki focuses especially on non-conventional technologies that are not usually given air time, such as zero point energy, magnetic motors, cold fusion, gravity motors, solid state generators, and even anti-gravity, as that seems to be inextricably tied into tapping zero point energy. "

Of course, RealOne will be here shortly to exclaim that suppression of these systems is all a vast conspiracy by power companies, greedy capitalists, Jewish bankers, or any of his cabals du jour.  Personally, I think the reason why these systems get any traction at all is due to the abysmal state of science education in the US.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 5:27:27 PM   
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Let's just say we don't spend all day frantically monitoring your posts.

I don't expect they do but my comment was based on the fact that it's been up for some time. No matter.


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The first is a violation of thermodynamics. No one's made a generating system yet where you can extract more energy out than you put in - because it violates the laws of thermodynamics.

You say "yet" are you now not sure? Take a moment and try to suspend disbelief will ya? Take a look at Blacklight Power..Read their papers(the ones listed on their website about the processes)..look at the videos and news feeds..then get back to me..

Of course you could go the way of most and just dismiss it outright without investigating it for yourself...Not like taking a peek means you're a nutjob too. :>

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When I see that PESN (fusion article) is a site that's supposed to represent alternative energy systems but has to make its own Wiki specializing in all the "nut job" energy sources then no, I don't take them seriously.

"PESWiki is designed to be a work station for the world of inventors and investigators into the exciting field of alternative energy technologies that are clean, renewable, inexpensive, and practical. PESWiki focuses especially on non-conventional technologies that are not usually given air time, such as zero point energy, magnetic motors, cold fusion, gravity motors, solid state generators, and even anti-gravity, as that seems to be inextricably tied into tapping zero point energy. "


I know these sites bring out the "beast" in people but that's not to say that someone might be onto something... NASA has it's FANatics as well but it's running pretty well despite the kooks and coming up with all sorts of new tech...Take the Bloom Box for instance..Not entirely revolutionary but pretty damn nice respectively.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 5:30:54 PM   
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HEY, I'm here y'know.

A variant of >100% apparent efficiency motor/generators were built right here. I know two people who worked on them. These were primitive using belts, but they worked. I told the one guy they shouldn't use belts, they should adopt a more concentric design, like an automobile transmission (not the planetary type). The guy in Austrailia seems to have done just that.

The second link - Kanzius - he got written up in Reader's Digest. I think by now possibly some of his idea(s) may have been incorporated into some of the more advanced cancer treatments, but I'm not sure.

Cold fusion ? Not interested. What runs water powered cars is not cold fusion, at least right now. Cold fusion is actually an oxymoron, unless it produces temperature above the ambient. But what is ambient ? A study of the Stirling cycle tells much about that. Fission and fusion are about heat right now, because our technology is limited by the almighty buck and electronics makes money. They can't convert directly, so it is not going to be a contender in efficiency or economy.

Notice that in the first link, what they don't tell you is for one, when the permanent magnets lose their strength, the thing will need a rework that costs as much as building the thing. That is another thing they don't tell you (although I didn't look into it completely), but those motor/generator combos cost ALOT of money. There is alot of intricate machining necessary and it is not easily adaptable to machine production. Well not that easy, modern CNC could do it, but it's a big pain, and pain = money.

Place permanent magnets of high strength in pockets created by laminated special steel sheets which must be cut precisely before any assembly because otherwise the shape is a pipe dream, and cannot be machined by normal means. Then wind the high purity enameled copper wire in a special arraingment to creat magnetic paths which are modulated by the turning of the rotor. And all this applies to the stator as well. It's a pain in the ass. Pain in the ass = more money.

What's more, if the thing costs a million bucks, just how much is your electric bill for the next 6 - 8 years, the estimated time (a few years ago) that it will take for the permanent magnets to lose their strength, until it eventually stops working.

Promising yes. But the advent of a whole new world ? I don't think so.

Right now I don't have much hope for cold fusion, but once we get past the "heat barrier", special semiconductors may convert the action more directly to something we can use. But right now all we can use is heat. Cold is not heat.

Conservation is a big thing too, if you think about it. Produce more energy to be wasted ? You got a turbocharged car OK ? That thing is two fans, one is driven by the exhaust, the other pumps the charge into the manifold. You are ahead of the game because the backpressure created by the load does not exceed the increase in power output. Is it efficient ? Hell no, that's why some cars allow you to turn it off, plus it only works at higher RPMs which do not occur unless the demand for power is there. This is how we have to think.

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 5:41:08 PM   
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The second link - Kanzius - he got written up in Reader's Digest. I think by now possibly some of his idea(s) may have been incorporated into some of the more advanced cancer treatments, but I'm not sure.

They're still doing tests..so far it's been very promising....I'm not sure about the power part..if separation of Hydrogen from water can be done with radio waves on a much larger scale using more than a small test tube as shown in the video..well we may have something in the way of a Hydrogen furnace.

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Notice that in the first link, what they don't tell you is for one, when the permanent magnets lose their strength, the thing will need a rework that costs as much as building the thing. That is another thing they don't tell you (although I didn't look into it completely), but those motor/generator combos cost ALOT of money. There is alot of intricate machining necessary and it is not easily adaptable to machine production. Well not that easy, modern CNC could do it, but it's a big pain, and pain = money.


True but at what rate of decay..I'm hearing 20 years or so as long as they aren't heated. Surely though the cost of such a thing on large scale production could be brought down.


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 5:49:40 PM   
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Here's a funny thing to me..

Nikola Tesla made a device that was reported to have driven an electric vehicle over 600 miles from "surrounding energy's". Sounds kooky no? Surely sounds like it belongs on those fringe websites!

Here's the funny thing..He was also the father of electricity and was one of this worlds foremost minds..somehow he doesn't fit the term kooky when I think of that device and remember what I know about his life.

Get my point?

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 6:25:10 PM   
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Law of Conservation of Energy? Just saying...

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 6:47:44 PM   
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Law of Conservation of Energy? Just saying...

Well that solves it, right? Should those at Blacklight Power go the way of Dr. Fleishmann and Cold Fusion or should we continue to work and allow what I would call visionaries to do what needs to be done to see if it will work.

60 minutes video on Cold Fusion BTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f18W2SejEM

Is it possible that we might have missed something in our observations being imperfect humans and all that might not have included everything under the sun? Is it possible that laws need to be rewritten to include other newly-found scientific observations?

Who knows but I am sure of one thing..Time will give us those answers.


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 6:57:29 PM   
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There is a reason scientific journals are peer reviewed.  Some hoaxes slip by, but at least there is an attempt to make sure that the scientific method has been followed.  Youtube doesn't have the same credibility.

When these show up in reputable scientific journals, I'll get interested.  In the meantime, I'm awesomely unimpressed with claims unsupported by names, dates, and places.  Hell, look how crappy the History Channel has gotten.  I used to just confirm anything they said that I didn't know; now I want two independent sources before I'll lift an eyebrow.  It's easy to say "scientists say."  Remember the end of *Raiders of the Lost Ark.*  "Top scientists."


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 7:15:07 PM   
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There is a reason scientific journals are peer reviewed.  Some hoaxes slip by, but at least there is an attempt to make sure that the scientific method has been followed.  Youtube doesn't have the same credibility.

When these show up in reputable scientific journals, I'll get interested.  In the meantime, I'm awesomely unimpressed with claims unsupported by names, dates, and places.  Hell, look how crappy the History Channel has gotten.  I used to just confirm anything they said that I didn't know; now I want two independent sources before I'll lift an eyebrow.  It's easy to say "scientists say."  Remember the end of *Raiders of the Lost Ark.*  "Top scientists."


FFS man..The Blacklight Power thing has backers from some of the worlds most powerful well known companies. This isn't hocus pocus.

They are already making plans to build power plants. If you and others are in need of more info please do take the time to investigate it for yourself. That's why I put it up in the first place. If you want more proof go get it. They've all but given you , me and the scientific community as a whole everything they have done. They want people to take a look..They have encouraged it.

They've given their info over to independent labs for further study..some of which have produced the same results. Am I personally ready to buy stock yet...Uh no..so I'm with you to a small degree but only because I know there's still a chance that issues may arise once they begin larger production...Still as it stands at this point..They DEFINITELY are onto something as far as I'm concerned.

References to UFO's and Indiana Jones are just uncalled for but expected.

Edit: Read this presentation but pay special attention to page 58 where it talks about peer reviews and then please go find those.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/presentations/Mills_FCHE-Conference.pdf


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 7:16:53 PM   
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"I'm hearing 20 years or so as long as they aren't heated."

Then don't heat them. You could make sure the windings are made from a material that has 0.0¯ ohms per cubic centimeter, or anything actually. At room temperatures silver is the best thing we have. Alot of people think it's gold, but it is not. Gold is second. Using ordinary copper, resistive losses in the wire are dissipated in only one way - heat.

One way to alleviate that problem is to operate the device at a higher voltage, impedance that is actually. Then for consumption you do what the power company does, transform it down. However to do this it will most likely require more turns of wire, which would be a longer piece of wire right ? More resistance. With silver wire I don't know the equivalent in resistance but just for the sake of whatever let's say #22 wire could perform like #18 wire. This would allow more efficient electromagnets.

There is also the problem that the magnets will lose strength just from being "loaded". That is, opposing the force does weaken it, because.

Remember the simplistic explainaitions of magnetism, how the orbits of the electrons are aligned and all going the same way ? Well that works by a theory I can only describe as that of the swash plate on a helicopter. As force is opposed, successfully, it pulls a few orbital planes out of alignment, and so on and so on..... It might just not be the heat. How much of a factor this is I don't know, always look the gift horse in the mouth.

So the next gasoline will be magnet sets for your car ? Or perhaps refurb motors or generators ?

In a way the word paradigm was not ill chosen. Except for time. DaVinci had flight figured out before the Wright brothers were a stain in their great grandpappy's shorts. Tesla was so far ahead of his time, the materials simply didn't exist for him to explore his ideas fully.

But my point is we do too much power converting. It's too many steps. We are hooked on 120 VAC.

The financial aspect, I will only mention this because I think a couple people might like it, but this is the way I see it.

Advanced energy technologies are not explored fully, and that is because the status quoers want it that way. They like money. Generally I have no problem with that. And them gouging us, well whaddya gonna do ? But think of it this way : What if one very very rich Man, richer than Gates, maybe Soros or somebody, whatever, was the first.

One day, the first guy is going to "do it". He will not be supported by the status quoers, his ex-buddies. He would be a traitor among them. Every step would be taken to stop him, you know it because "they" have alot to lose. So he gets it done. Covertly prepares for years, unleashes kick ass technology that puts just about everything out of business. New oil out of plastic, run your car for three years for a hundred bucks. Power your house for five years for a thousand, and get to take it with you anywhere !

You think it ain't possible ? The hell it ain't. Whoever does it first is going to piss off a hell of alot of people, but if the thing works.............
Taking people off the grid for a fixed price. Can you imagine the turmoil ? They would sell like hotcakes if you remind people of a few years ago when half the country blacked out. When traffic was backed up because someone ran out of gas, which made more people run out of gas. I can't even bitch at them because without electricity, they couldn't buy gas !

This first person I empel now, would also be a hell of an asset to national security. No longer would enemies just need to get on the internet and find our power plants to cripple us. So the grid still feeds like streetlights and shit. If it goes out your food doesn't spoil. This is good all the way around.

It's a shame that on a planet of 6 billion or whatever, there is not one person with the brains, balls and means to do this. It doesn't have to be worldwide overnight. That's the fucking problem, nobody thinks shit out these days. Time and dedication are of the essence.

Fukit, this is turning into a rant and I think I donwanna. Saturday night y'know.

But really, one Man could change the future, advance it. Pester it even. Wake it up, stop the bullshit.

Gotny one in mind ?

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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 8:11:50 PM   
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Edit: Read this presentation but pay special attention to page 58 where it talks about peer reviews and then please go find those.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/presentations/Mills_FCHE-Conference.pdf



Lists a bunch of people but not peer reviewed papers and goes on to claim there are peer reviewed publications but doesn't mention them.  The single paper (Scharer) noted doesn't give the name of the paper OR the journal's name.

INDEPENDENT CONFIRMATION is the soul of real science while fakers make wild claims that either can't be verified or would require an inordinate amount of work to verify.  It's pretty clear what's going on here.


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RE: Physics..Paradigm shift coming..Next 5 miles - 2/26/2011 8:47:33 PM   
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INDEPENDENT CONFIRMATION is the soul of real science while fakers make wild claims that either can't be verified or would require an inordinate amount of work to verify. It's pretty clear what's going on here.

Is it clear, John?

http://www.blacklightpower.com/Publications.pdf

and this again...Now look where it says who has done tests and what they've reproduced.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/presentations/Mills_FCHE-Conference.pdf

This is independent confirmation enough to back up claims by a number of people.,,Do we really need everyone to agree this will work before it has a go ahead. No it hasn't made it to any prestigious physics journals as of yet but it has been reproduced by third party labs. I suspect it will make it though if it's not stopped in some way..That's right I said it.

Is that not a form of "Peer Review" or am I just talking to walls here?




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