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ModTwentyOne -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:08:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rick1283

I tried to contact him. Apparently one post was mine and the other didn't have a changed quote from me.
I double checked.[>:]



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Arpig -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:12:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

There's a category for Trans on CM profiles.

I see absolutely no reason why transgendered people should not list themselves as transgendered.
Maybe because they don't see themselves that way....



Elisabella -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:16:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

There's a category for Trans on CM profiles.

I see absolutely no reason why transgendered people should not list themselves as transgendered.
Maybe because they don't see themselves that way....



But...that's what they are. Like, factually.

I mean if I listed myself as a 22 year old who weighed 120 lb, I doubt people would be okay with it because I "see myself" as younger and hotter than I really am.



angelikaJ -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:23:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
Transgendered women see themselves as women.


Transgendered people believe they have the gender of one brain trapped in the body of another.

Furries believe they have the spirit of one animal trapped in the body of another.

Hell I've seen people on the internet who believe they're fairies and elves and shit. But if they got ear surgery and tattooed wings I wouldn't be all "oh ok you're really an elf now cool."

Edited to add - I don't really care how people choose to self-identify, that's their own business, but I think that self identity shouldn't automatically be considered reality.

Like...if you look at an anorexic and she says "oh I am so fat" you don't accept her self-identity as a fat person, you say stfu you're 80 pounds and you're probably going to die.

So if you look at a guy and he says "oh I am a woman" why is that somehow more valid than the person who self-identifies as fat or a fox or whatever else is contradicted by physical reality?


The very obvious difference is that that sex (or gender) reassignment surgery is medically accepted.




Elisabella -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:32:14 PM)

Hmm that's true...I suppose post-op transgendered people can be legally recognized as the sex they switched to. But then again there's no legal "transgender" sex classification at all, but there is one on CM.

I don't know, while I do think it's very sad that they were born with a gender identity disorder, I can't see transgendered people as anything other than transgendered.



isoLadyOwner -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:39:59 PM)

Failing to disclose certain things prior to a relationship would make trust impossible but that's very different than showing up in a CM search category where profiles can be easily ignored.

It must have been traumatic for the OP to have met a Domme, established trust with her, and then had his hopes dashed when he found out she had undergone sexual reassignment surgery and didn't tell him about it.

Time heals even if its happened more than once. Maybe its karma or something.



Phoenixpower -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:40:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, this is going to be good.




and you didn't even tell me [>:][>:][>:]

there, with being late now...steven said my lines already [8|]

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I was taught early in my career never to ... make up numbers. You say that there are 25 malesubs for every female Dominant, and that you have been forced to see over a hundred male profiles who misidentified as female. You also claim that males have a desperate need to be selected while females coolly pick their choice from the ravening hordes baying at their feet. Obviously, you never got trained to substantiate things the way I had.



and now to you OP...newsflash [:)]

you say

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I am not in any big hurry to find that one right Lady but I feel I make a valid complaint, as only those searching for a dominant female will relate to from experience.


quite frankly...it ain't true that "only those searching for a dominant female will relate to from experience."

It obviously never crossed your mind that submissive women just endure as much crap as you do, as do people who look for a unicorn in their desired poly lifestyle...heck, even do folks who are looking for a partner in the vanilla lifestyle.

It's called life...[8|]

Anyone some crackers and cheese with that whine [8|]



sirsholly -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:44:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Hmm that's true...I suppose post-op transgendered people can be legally recognized as the sex they switched to. But then again there's no legal "transgender" sex classification at all, but there is one on CM.

I don't know, while I do think it's very sad that they were born with a gender identity disorder, I can't see transgendered people as anything other than transgendered.
Post-op they have gone through hell to get where they are and are deservedly recognized as gender-reassigned by the legal and medical communities.

As long as you refuse to see them for who they are, continuing to see them as transgendered, the prejudice will continue.



Arpig -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:47:21 PM)

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I mean if I listed myself as a 22 year old who weighed 120 lb, I doubt people would be okay with it because I "see myself" as younger and hotter than I really am.
I used to have the same outlook...but I had several exchanges with some TG people on here and did some reading...transgender is not simply a matter of how you feel...it is how you are...a person who is born with male genitalia but who's whole self identity is female is by all rights a female...it isn't the genitalia that determines gender, its far more complex than that. A trandgender person IS the gender they identify as...their body is just behind their mind. You misrepresenting yourself is not the same thing at all..they are not lying...they are being dangerously honest and should be supported not derided



YourToDeny -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:52:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

There's a category for Trans on CM profiles.

I see absolutely no reason why transgendered people should not list themselves as transgendered.
Maybe because they don't see themselves that way....

Kermit:
Why are there so many songs about rainbows?
Fozzie:
That's part of what rainbows do.
Gonzo:
Rainbows are memories, sweet dream reminders
Miss Piggy:
What is it you'd like to do?
Muppets:
All of us watching, and wishing we'd find it;
Fozzie:
I've noticed, you're watching too.
Muppets:
Someday you'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers, and you.
[Another Musical bridge]
Kermit/Muppets:
Life's like a movie, write your own ending
Keep believing, keep pretending
We've done just what we set out to do.
Thanks to the lovers, the dreamers, and you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1jJq1fbD4



Phoenixpower -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:54:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male.


And you obviously believe that the "majority dominant male" are all so twuly dominant and describe themselves perfectly who they are [8|] right [8|]



rick1283 -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:57:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower


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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male.


And you obviously believe that the "majority dominant male" are all so twuly dominant and describe themselves perfectly who they are [8|] right [8|]


It would seem so! If this is the case then maybe I could change my profile and be the first male dom to EVER lie! Oh my! Just THINK of all the possibilities![:'(]



LadyPact -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 8:59:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner

Failing to disclose certain things prior to a relationship would make trust impossible but that's very different than showing up in a CM search category where profiles can be easily ignored.

From My perspective, I would agree with you.

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It must have been traumatic for the OP to have met a Domme, established trust with her, and then had his hopes dashed when he found out she had undergone sexual reassignment surgery and didn't tell him about it.

Unless it went unmentioned, I don't think that was the issue.  The original was the complaint that TG Dominants were listing themselves as 'female'.  I didn't see where the OP met anybody.  Maybe I should check the profile for further information.

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Time heals even if its happened more than once. Maybe its karma or something.

Not going to stick My neck out on that one.  [:)]

My thanks to angelika for providing the link to the documentary.  It was very interesting.



Phoenixpower -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:03:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Submissive males are outnumbered by those men who fancy themselves as dominant as well. So the traditional fem-sub and male-dom can throw all the stones they want but they don't have to worry about limited options.


You TRULY haven't got a clue with what folks we have to put up as well, with folks who pretend to be Dominant [8|]




rick1283 -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:07:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower


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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Submissive males are outnumbered by those men who fancy themselves as dominant as well. So the traditional fem-sub and male-dom can throw all the stones they want but they don't have to worry about limited options.


You TRULY haven't got a clue with what folks we have to put up as well, with folks who pretend to be Dominant [8|]




Lol. Has he even looked at the "Age in Dominance" thread? Maybe that could give him an idea of what a young dom has to go through. [;)]
That isn't a problem for young subs.



Arpig -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:09:12 PM)

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That isn't a problem for young subs.
Of course it isn't....young subs are yummy!!!



LadyNTrainer -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:10:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
Transgendered people believe they have the gender of one brain trapped in the body of another.


From a neurobiological and medical standpoint, that is absolutely correct.  Latest research very strongly suggests that an interruption in hormonal cascades during a crucial point in fetal development can cause the brain to become gender-wired one way while the body develops the sex characteristics of the opposite gender.  Postmortem studies on transgendered people's brains generally concur.  This is the simple medical truth.  No more and no less. 



DarkSteven -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:11:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male. Dominant women are a minority - they are greatly outnumbered by submissive men but we are also in the minority.



Well, the Dommes have their own problems, namely they have to shovel their way through all the men who contact them that are unsuitable for them.  And I can tell you as a Dominant man that while we do have a numbers advantage over male subs, it's not easy finding a good match either.  That's because it's more than random kink hookups - I need a female sub that will mesh with me outside the bedroom as well as in it.  And I will say that female subs have the same problem with inappropriate male contacts that the Dominas do.



YourToDeny -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:13:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


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It must have been traumatic for the OP to have met a Domme, established trust with her, and then had his hopes dashed when he found out she had undergone sexual reassignment surgery and didn't tell him about it.

Unless it went unmentioned, I don't think that was the issue.  The original was the complaint that TG Dominants were listing themselves as 'female'.  I didn't see where the OP met anybody.  Maybe I should check the profile for further information.


I never met anybody. I do get some letters from TG's trying to mislead - anybody who thinks there aren't TG's out there who are willing to exploit submissives to coerce interaction is blind and senseless. Can they surgically attach 'saintliness', or are TG's as human as everybody else? I don't care about the letters I get but I do want to point out that there is a huge surge of TG's in the female dominant category. The OP was meant to point out not just those, but the TV's as well who are also posting themselves as female. The point is not to say I care how I identify themselves, but that its no more correct for them to choose how the community as a whole gets to identify women.

The essential point condensed (again):

As far as that goes, what makes you think you get to define femininity more than any of the other people? Don't discount the possibility that your definition is just as oppressive to those of the Double-X persuasion as the macho XY definition has been for centuries. Some highly political Dommes may be glad to put politics first but that doesn't mean they speak for all women.

I am not here to debate your identity but to bring to the attention of the community the surge in misrepresentative - or at the least 'insufficiently specific' - profiles. They are drowning out the minority, that rarest of rarities, the dominant woman with the double-x chromes. In a way it is misogynistic to allow it to continue without in the very least being discouraged.



rick1283 -> RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Female Dominants (2/26/2011 9:13:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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That isn't a problem for young subs.
Of course it isn't....young subs are yummy!!!


Says a man old enough to be my grandfather.[;)]
Thus, my point [:'(]



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