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ORIGINAL: capthook55

Although gun control advicates fail to mention it (how surprizing), it is a fact the stricter gun control laws are the HIGHER the crime rate is.
Until the courts struck down DC's gun control law it was (and still) one of the highest crime rates in the country, New York and Chicago (also almost impossible to own a gun) are also among the highest.

When anyone may be armed criminals think twice

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ORIGINAL: Guido1911

Greetings...I'm from Texas. In Texas, all us law abiding citizens carry guns. When we see someone committing a crime, we shoot them. The police confiscate their gun and destroy it.

guns are not the problem, they are the solution. Take personal resposibility for your safety and the safety of your community and shoot criminals. If you find yourself on a grand jury deciding whether or not to bring charges against someone who shot a crimial, ignore whatever law you are told to deal with and let the person go.

word will spread and crime in your community will go down. Require all citizens over the age of 21 to apply fo a handgun carry permit and make the permit hard to get in order to insure that everyone who carries a gun wil actually be able to use it effectively in a tight situation.

Soon, the police will not need to trace guns since there will be little crime.

Simplistic? If not for politics, it would be.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: jack8007

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legal or lawful eh? do you even know the difference?

Please educate us.   I've only been practicing 25 years, I want to hear this.  

Kool!  I enjoy teaching attorneys the law :)

Legal or Lawful?

It is crucial to define the difference between legal and lawful. The generic Constitution references genuine law. The present civil authorities and their courts use the word legal. Is there a difference in the meanings? The following is quoted from A Dictionary of Law 1893: Lawful. In accordance with the law of the land; according to the law; permitted, sanctioned, or justified by law. “Lawful” properly implies a thing conformable to or enjoined by law;

“Legal”, a thing in the form or after the manner of law or binding by law. A writ or warrant issuing from any court, under color of law, is a “legal” process however defective. See legal.

Legal. Latin legalis. Pertaining to the understanding, the exposition, the administration, the science and the practice of law: as, the legal profession, legal advice; legal blanks, newspaper. Implied or imputed in law. Opposed to actual
“Legal” looks more to the letter [form/appearance], (presumptions) and “Lawful” to the spirit [substance/content], (substantive merits) of the law.

“Legal” is more appropriate for conformity to positive rules of law; “Lawful” for accord with ethical principle. “Legal” imports rather that the forms [appearances] (in other words bullshit fictions) of law are observed, that the proceeding is correct in method, that rules prescribed have been obeyed;

“Lawful” that the right is actful in substance, that moral quality is secured.

“Legal” is the antithesis of equitable, and the equivalent of constructive. 2 Abbott’s Law Dic. 24.


be nice now :)


oh what area do you practice btw?

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ORIGINAL: jack8007

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Legal or Lawful?

So what's the difference?!?!    I have to agree, you are leagues from clear.

Now I would expect anyone who is not in the law profession to say that but for you to say that immediately throws up big red flags.

You have 2 adjectives that are largely interchangeable, even if by grammatical convention lawyers may often refer to an act as "lawful" or not - I've never heard ANYBODY try to make the distinctions you're trying to make, nor even give a shit. 

Why would they give a shit?  There is no money in it.   Bullshit make turn on me's and the corrupt courts lots of money.

 In fact, when I translate my prose from legalese for my clients, I translate "lawful" as "legal", because real people don't say "lawful". 


Ok here, this should be perfectly clear to you.  Quantum syntax translation just for you no charge, understandable read in either direction and dierctly translatable into 5000 dialects.

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LAW: For the law is with the substance and morals.

LEGAL: For the legal is with the false construction and void morals.

Dont tell me I already know... you dont get it LOL.


Black's isn't free online, and I sure don't give enough of a shit to break mine open & copy it.  

Bottom of the barrel toilet paper dictionary by comparison.

I have every damn one of them and when I am lazy I qoute from them, but they are bottom of the barrel dictoinaries.

The dictionaries you cited are - well, let's say unknown - Black's is the only generally recognized legal dictionary.

ah huh! LOL
Like I said a POS, the supreme court uses bouviers btw LOL
But most importantly, you haven't tried to explain what difference it makes to your original point.  

yes I did, why are you pretending.  Maybe you arent a real attorney....  Lots of people say they are a lot of things.  An attorney would have had no problem understanding the distinctions so whats your malfunction?

I will grant, you won't see job openings for "lawful secretaries", but how does that make a difference to your point?   It looks to me like we are left with your distinction without a difference, in which case I refer you to CA Civil Code sec. 3533, "The law disregards trifles."   See also, "sea lawyer".

Yeh modern legal roman law disregards lots of shit.  50 words all mean the same thing.  turn on me's to dumb to make distinctions.  See misfeasance and trespass on the case.

Oh shit that last one is common law!  quick get your cross!!

And don't be listening to any of them common law boys about strawmen, etc, or you'll wind up sharing a cell with Wesley Snipes.

Come on dont come on here and tell everyone you are a fucking attorney and you dont even know the difference between civil, common and commercial law.  damn.

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  WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION: ARTICLE XIV.

Common law continued in force. SECTION 13.

Such parts of the common law as are now in force in the territory of Wisconsin, not inconsistent with this constitution, shall be and continue part of the law of this state until altered or suspended by the legislature.

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Co. Litt. 161 b, 162 a; Crompt. Just. P. 65; Cunn. Dict. h.t.

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there will be little crime

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how attorneys play ball

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ORIGINAL: jack8007

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how attorneys play ball

The 1st thing they do is not get in arguments with idiots.

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stricter gun control laws are the HIGHER the crime rate

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I accept

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: capthook55

Although gun control advicates fail to mention it (how surprizing), it is a fact the stricter gun control laws are the HIGHER the crime rate is.
Until the courts struck down DC's gun control law it was (and still) one of the highest crime rates in the country, New York and Chicago (also almost impossible to own a gun) are also among the highest.

When anyone may be armed criminals think twice

Yeah, it's just absolutely amazing that three of the largest cities in America have high crime rates.

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ORIGINAL: capthook55
Although gun control advicates fail to mention it (how surprizing), it is a fact the stricter gun control laws are the HIGHER the crime rate is.
Until the courts struck down DC's gun control law it was (and still) one of the highest crime rates in the country, New York and Chicago (also almost impossible to own a gun) are also among the highest.

When anyone may be armed criminals think twice

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Realone

Bottom of the barrel toilet paper dictionary by comparison.

I have every damn one of them and when I am lazy I qoute from them, but they are bottom of the barrel dictoinaries.

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ORIGINAL: joether
If everyone was armed....so are the criminals. If you want to live in a place with no gun laws, no goverment regulations, and no taxes; Move to Somalia (the southern part).

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losses your neighborhood suffers from financial scams by privateers?  Like the mortgage meltdown?