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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/6/2011 8:52:06 AM   
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I never said I don't allow alcohol.  I said I don't allow CLOWNS.



I don't allow them in even sober.


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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/6/2011 11:06:52 AM   
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Assuming you're not lying about your claims to have no particular issue with booze, I find your policy utterly arbitrary. Do you bar guests from Kyoto from entering your home, but allow anyone else from the Far East? Do you make your guests remove their wristwatches? That's how much sense it makes to me.

It matters little to me if it makes SENSE TO YOU. All that matters is that it is my house, my home, and my rules are followed.

You seem to be missing the point here.

It's not about you and what you want when you come to my house. It's about me and what I am allowing you to bring to my house.

In other words lol, it's all about me here. Hence, PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

I do not allow drinking within my home. If someone has issues with that, then fuck them, they don't have to come to my home. It's no loss to me lol.



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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 1:03:21 PM   
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Some people prefer their guests do not imbibe mood-altering substances in the host's home, regardless of whether that mood-altering substance is legal or not.  Why does that concept seem so difficult to grasp?


Because my guests and I commonly and regularly enjoy these "legal mood-altering substances", as you term them.



Did you really just say that you cannot understand why SOME people do not allow something, merely because you enjoy that something?  Around the age of 5 or so, people start understanding the world is not all about them, and that other people have different preferences then they do.


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Their consideration for people of all walks of life is a sign of good breeding and THAT is why they the number and quality of their friend circle is quite high, indeed.


Good breeding?  Wow, that's a new one on me... passive aggressive swipes at other people and the way they live just because it is not your way, being attributed to good breeding.  I didn't know you could manipulate DNA to ensure a strain of narcissism would live on.

At least you didn't say being raised properly, because your mother clearly did not raise you properly. 

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I'll just chalk it up to the likelihood you don't throw many parties. Thanks for your input!


And again, you are incorrect.  I clearly made a distinction between a party and just getting together for a casual evening or a visit with a friend.  And many kinky parties around these parts don't allow alcohol.  So with your line of reasoning, we'll chalk your opinion up to the likelihood that you don't get together with kinksters very often.  Thanks for your input.  Perhaps eharmony is more your style.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 5:48:15 PM   
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This is something that puzzles me about some American families. Here in the UK it is very rare to find a house that doesn't allow alcohol for reasons unrelated to:

1) Religion;
2) Exposure of children;
3) Protecting a recovering alcoholic.

Yet from what I see of US society from a few people I've spoken to and on tv, many Americans have a suprisingly puritanical attitude towards it passing through their front doors.

Anyone know why this should be, apart from the reasons above?


Are You saying that the Americans You spoke to (who had a puritanical attitude towards alcohol in their homes) did NOT do it for any of those reasons? How do You *know* that? Did You ask? It would be obvious whether or not they had kids, but the other two reasons, religion and recovering alcoholism, would not be obvious at a glance. And it might be impertinent to ask such a personal question. Do You absolutely know that those weren't the reasons?

Alcohol was not allowed in my parents' home when i was growing up, because of religion. (Coffee, tea, cigarettes, playing cards, and a number of other things weren't allowed either, for the same reason.) From my parents' point of view, those things were sinful and they didn't want them in the house, regardless of whether it was somebody else using them. We were Mormon. i know of other Mormon families who had a greater degree of tolerance for other people bringing alcohol into their homes. So i guess it's subjective, and my parents were kind of strict.

i'm not Mormon anymore, but if i were, i wouldn't have a problem with people bringing their own wine to a dinner party i was throwing. Especially since bringing wine or beer (or whatever drink, to a party) seems to be a gesture of courtesy for many people. i would be especially tolerant if it were a mixed crowd of guests. If nearly everybody was Mormon, and the one person who wasn't brought wine, it might create an awkward situation. Some Mormons are kind of uptight about alcohol, and it might also be embarassing to be the one person drinking wine when no one else was. But i know my parents went to dinner parties all the time where alcohol was served, and it wasn't a big deal. They just didn't partake.

i don't know whether Americans in general are more puritanical about alcohol than the British. It's possible. Alcohol was outlawed here less than a hundred years ago. Prohibition lasted only 13 years on the national level (regionally, in some places, it lasted much longer), but it does indicate that there was a hostility to alcohol in America, at least at the time. As far as i know, religion was the main reason behind Prohibition.

i think You've answered Your own question. Children, recovering alcoholism, and religion are the most likely reasons why certain Americans don't like having alcohol brought into their homes, especially religion. (i doubt whether there are more children or recovering alcoholics here than in the U.K.) Also, the effect of certain religions on American culture. i'd say there has been a sort of puritanical streak to American culture since it's foundation. That's my best guess to explain the difference, if there is indeed a difference between American and British attitudes towards alcohol.

pam

P.S.- Having said that, i can't imagine being *offended* that someone else didn't allow alcohol in their home, regardless of their reason. Being a guest in someone's home means exactly that: being their *guest*. They set the rules, and it's for me to abide by them.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 5:53:25 PM   
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Maybe some of it- has to do with this being an older crowd as in over 30.

For the most part- who ever pays the roof calls the shots... booze, smokes,  what type of movies, and so forth.  If I pay the rent- I darn sure am going to set the rules.. and if I am a guest- I defer to the wishes of the one who is head of the house- of where I visit.

I choose not to put myself in bad situations--   which comes with age-- I suppose.

If you want to dance- ya gotta pay the band... pretty basic.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 6:25:33 PM   
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Actually I am, but that's not why I asked. I've visited your nation several times both on business and holiday, during which time I have talked with hundreds of your compatriots, and only once did I notice just the vaguest hint (and trust me, it was very vague) of anti-alcohol sentiment. But I've seen it online several times.


So, in your hundreds of face to face discussions with people there was but one very vague hint of anti-alcohol sentiment and yet because you have seen it online several times you are willing to toss side your personal experience and make broad, sweeping generalisations?

And then you are being rude about people's personal preferences when they aren't in line with your own.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 7:09:35 PM   
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Because my guests and I commonly and regularly enjoy these "legal mood-altering substances", as you term them. When I go to a party, or a friend's, the offering of an alcoholic drink is a common courtesy, not a luxury. My teetotal friends ALL carry booze in their house for their guests, and sometimes I'll indulge, sometimes not. Entirely my choice. Their consideration for people of all walks of life is a sign of good breeding and THAT is why they the number and quality of their friend circle is quite high, indeed.

I'll just chalk it up to the likelihood you don't throw many parties. Thanks for your input!


I think that what you are missing is that offering an alcoholic beverage to friends when they come by is just not SOP in many people's lives. Hence we just don't keep a stocked liquor cabinet.

Soda's, tea, coffee, and juices are the beverages typically offered. Unless their is something specific going on such as a sports thing, BBQ, or holiday.

Many also take their children with them. While having a drink or two in your own home while your child is there is one thing, at someone else's house it is kind of assoholic. Your reactions slow and you cannot respond to your children as quickly. And then there are the times that you have to leave RIGHT NOW for whatever reason. Having to wait to sober up enough to drive under .08 is not always an option. It is better to just not go there.

For me, unless there was a specific pre-planned reason, someone bringing booze over would confuse me. A friend bringing wine coolers over for our Memorial Day get together would raise no eyebrows. The same friend showing up for an afternoon to evening gaming session with a litre of grape vodka would cause me to ask, "What the hell is going on with you?"

Now if the same friend (I really do have more than one) was over and wanted a rum and Coke, I would be happy to walk with them or even drive them the two blocks to the liquor store to buy some rum and on to the c-store for the Coke. As I am unlikely to have either rum or Coke in my house.

However, my friends are really friends. They know where the drinks fridge is. They tend to get their own drinks, their children play with mine, and we all exchange favors.




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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 7:12:24 PM   
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Aylee, I think they let the kids- under 18 drink in some other countries.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/7/2011 9:22:04 PM   
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Aylee, I think they let the kids- under 18 drink in some other countries.


And young adults under 21 drink in the US.

Unfortunatly it is prosecuted now instead of seeing it as, "kids will be kids." This has increased the amount of binge drinking that young adults do.

For example, the other half quit drinking in 5th grade. A year or so back, my nephew and some of his friends were issued tickets for "minor in possession" for drinking at his graduation party/send off to basic training, in his mother's home with her and his grandparents present.

A good deal of the lack of drinking on the part of Americans is a relic of prohibition. Americans alcohal consumption has never regained its re-prohibition level.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 5:02:10 AM   
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Aylee, I think they let the kids- under 18 drink in some other countries.


that's true, but even whilst you can drink beer and wine in Germany aged 16, you have to be 18 to drink spirits.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 5:06:13 AM   
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Because its their house and thats the way they want it - what more reason is needed?


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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 5:40:58 AM   
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Aylee, I think they let the kids- under 18 drink in some other countries.


And young adults under 21 drink in the US.

Unfortunatly it is prosecuted now instead of seeing it as, "kids will be kids." This has increased the amount of binge drinking that young adults do.

For example, the other half quit drinking in 5th grade. A year or so back, my nephew and some of his friends were issued tickets for "minor in possession" for drinking at his graduation party/send off to basic training, in his mother's home with her and his grandparents present.

A good deal of the lack of drinking on the part of Americans is a relic of prohibition. Americans alcohal consumption has never regained its re-prohibition level.


These days I sure would not want to be charged with something like that.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 6:19:21 AM   
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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.

Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.

If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 6:33:10 AM   
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Their consideration for people of all walks of life is a sign of good breeding


YAY!!!!!

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 8:11:49 AM   
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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.

Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.

If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.


Do you allow anal lube in your house?

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 8:37:13 AM   
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Because my guests and I commonly and regularly enjoy these "legal mood-altering substances", as you term them. When I go to a party, or a friend's, the offering of an alcoholic drink is a common courtesy, not a luxury. My teetotal friends ALL carry booze in their house for their guests, and sometimes I'll indulge, sometimes not. Entirely my choice. Their consideration for people of all walks of life is a sign of good breeding and THAT is why they the number and quality of their friend circle is quite high, indeed.

I'll just chalk it up to the likelihood you don't throw many parties. Thanks for your input!


I think that what you are missing is that offering an alcoholic beverage to friends when they come by is just not SOP in many people's lives. Hence we just don't keep a stocked liquor cabinet.


My parents always had a stocked liquor cabinet and still have it but it was used very rarely indeed...I think some of those bottles in there are indeed older than I am...


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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 11:49:28 AM   
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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.

Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.

If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.


Do you allow anal lube in your house?

PA I'm sure you will bring your own lube and liquor


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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 12:25:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.

Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.

If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.


Do you allow anal lube in your house?

PA I'm sure you will bring your own lube and liquor



Divi, parties are always funner when you are there.

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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/8/2011 5:14:58 PM   
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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.

Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.

If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.


It's true. One time he came and I had no hoppy beveri, 5 minutes later, my cocker spaniel was bled out  and hanging like a buck in November in Maine. I will miss little Molly.

Anyhoo, now I have a case of Domi's favorite IPA on hand always, and all my pets are safe. Winning!! 


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RE: Why the "No-Alcohol in my house policy" w... - 3/9/2011 1:17:35 PM   
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I drink. I like it!! I am a total beer geek. I rarely get drunk and most of my friends like to have a few drinks as well.

My friends have kids and they sometimes go to social events where kids are welcome and have a few beers or a glass of wine and every one makes it home alive.

For the most part, the only people I know that don't have alcohol in their homes are alcoholics. Good for them.
If invited over to your house and you do not have anything to drink I will gut your fucking pet.


Hear hear, bruv!! :)

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Alcohol is served at damn near every social function I attend. No harm no foul. Go watch the Cubs, Bears, Packers, Bulls, Blackhawks there will be beer. Out to dinner, there might be a martini and a few glasses of wine. Funeral, it might be a full blown Hoopla depending on how big of a dick the deceased be.


THAT is the Carlsberg of humour!! Probably the funniest post on CM

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