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Marini -> $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 9:31:22 PM)

I am sure many of you have been eagerly awaiting me to start another gas thread.

[;)]

Gas prices rise 28 cents in 10 days

Every time I ride past the gas station, it seems like the prices have gone up!


At this rate, I am thinking gas will be $4 a gallon by Easter, and I was thinking it would not be that high until Memorial Day.

Maybe, gas will be $5 a gallon by Memorial Day.

Have you found yourself cutting back on driving, thinking about walking more, or getting a bicycle?

Is the price of gas/oil affecting your life?

Do you find yourself calculating how much gas you are burning, when you have to drive certain places?
How much of an impact is the rapidly rising cost of gas affecting you?

Gas is almost $4 a gallon in the golden state, good gravy.
Gas prices and taxes by state




TheHeretic -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 10:25:43 PM)

I saw it over $4.00 for premium today. That was at an expensive station, but there it was, all the same. $3.73 for regular, where I usually buy.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 10:30:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini


Every time I ride past the gas station, it seems like the prices have gone up!



Well, for god's sake, will you please stop driving past that station??!? I can't afford this!




Marini -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 10:32:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini


Every time I ride past the gas station, it seems like the prices have gone up!



Well, for god's sake, will you please stop driving past that station??!? I can't afford this!



Neither can I Panda, I can't help looking though.




jlf1961 -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 10:34:54 PM)

Oil prices have gone up in response to the problems in Libya. Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet the shortfall caused by the problems in Libya.

Gas prices have gone up because the 3% of total US imports comes from Libya, and Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet that shortfall.

A perceived possible shortage of oil imports from Libya raised the price per barrel of oil.


Now, the question is:

If Saudi Arabia has increased production to cover the shortage, WHY THE FUCK HAS PRICES GONE UP?




Marini -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 10:56:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Oil prices have gone up in response to the problems in Libya. Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet the shortfall caused by the problems in Libya.

Gas prices have gone up because the 3% of total US imports comes from Libya, and Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet that shortfall.

A perceived possible shortage of oil imports from Libya raised the price per barrel of oil.


Now, the question is:

If Saudi Arabia has increased production to cover the shortage, WHY THE FUCK HAS PRICES GONE UP?


That is a great question.
The answer could be that there are fears that unrest could spread to Saudi Arabia, also.




nighthawk3569 -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 11:04:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Oil prices have gone up in response to the problems in Libya. Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet the shortfall caused by the problems in Libya.

Gas prices have gone up because the 3% of total US imports comes from Libya, and Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet that shortfall.

A perceived possible shortage of oil imports from Libya raised the price per barrel of oil.


Now, the question is:

If Saudi Arabia has increased production to cover the shortage, WHY THE FUCK HAS PRICES GONE UP?


A 3% shortfall of anything from anywhere shouldn't creat that kind of increase, especially when that shortfall has been covered from another source. High, unstable fuel prices are one of the leading contributors to the poor recovery of the economy. How can a small business person plan a bid, for instance, when they have no way of knowing what fuel expenses for the job will be? As a result, some don't bid...and some that do, lose money. Enough underbids and a small company goes out of business...more unemployment.

'hawk




nighthawk3569 -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 11:26:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Oil prices have gone up in response to the problems in Libya. Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet the shortfall caused by the problems in Libya.

Gas prices have gone up because the 3% of total US imports comes from Libya, and Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet that shortfall.

A perceived possible shortage of oil imports from Libya raised the price per barrel of oil.


Now, the question is:

If Saudi Arabia has increased production to cover the shortage, WHY THE FUCK HAS PRICES GONE UP?


That is a great question.
The answer could be that there are fears that unrest could spread to Saudi Arabia, also.


And if that 'unrest' don't happen? How long before gas comes back to pre-unrest(Libyaian unrest, that is)prices, if they ever do? Sure, oil companies will reduce this '28 cents per gallon in 10 days' increase, over a period of time...but not in 10 days, and not by 28 cents per gallon, either. Maybe 10-15 cents per gallon over 4-5 weeks...maybe. Then the motorist will be 'so thankful' to the oil companies, for reducing prices. Forgetting how much less they were paying before the big increase.

'hawk

Let's wait until that Saudi unrest takes place, before we react to it.


Oh! Wait! I forgot, that wouldn't make anybody any extra money, would it? Except working people, who would have more of their paycheck to buy bread and milk.




Marini -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 11:29:42 PM)

nighthawk!

I am on your side! I didn't say I agreed with the reasons for gas going up.

This was "the reason", I found for the rapid increase in gas prices on the internet.
I couldn't find any other reason for this.

I didn't say it was a good reason, but that's what they want us to believe.




nighthawk3569 -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/4/2011 11:50:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

nighthawk!

I am on your side! I didn't say I agreed with the reasons for gas going up.

This was "the reason", I found for the rapid increase in gas prices on the internet.
I couldn't find any other reason for this.

I didn't say it was a good reason, but that's what they want us to believe.


First, Marini, thanks for your support. Yes, that's what 'they' want 'us' to believe. Actually they'd prefer we didn't even notice what's being done to us...but a few do, so there has to be some reason given. The internet is a good source of disinformation, as well as a source of solid information. A two-edged sword, if you will.

'hawk




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 12:01:39 AM)

I hate that propaganda, and speculation is allowed, while the consumer is held hostage to the bullchit.
There is a town in the US, with excess reserve of oil, and they need to build additional space, in order to accomodate more storage.   Additionally, reports on CNBC are that there is no fundamental support for the increase in prices, because there is plenty of supply, and fairly flat demand at present.
quote:

http://fuelfix.com/blog/tag/cushing-oklahoma/
Oklahoma oil hub helps keep oil prices from going higher Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:46 am by chron.com Energy in Oil, Social, Supply and Demand, United States  | 1,386 | 8 CUSHING, Okla. — U.S. oil prices closed above $100 a barrel Wednesday for the first time in more than two years, and might be higher still if the giant storage tanks in this small prairie town northeast of Oklahoma City weren’t so full. Here, at the nation’s main hub for oil storage and distribution, bulging stockpiles of crude are acting as a partial buffer to Middle East turmoil that’s driven international oil prices much higher. At the moment, about 11 percent of the nation’s oil inventory is parked in Cushing, nearly double where it stood a few years ago. However, all that oil hasn’t shielded Americans from paying higher gasoline prices, for several reasons. While the price of the benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude at Cushing hasn’t soared as high as comparable oil elsewhere, it’s still well above its price just a few weeks ago, and the price of crude is the main component of prices at the pump. Whatever its price, the oil at Cushing represents just a small fraction of the nation’s total demand, and crude stored in the town doesn’t have an easy path to all the refineries that might otherwise welcome its lower cost. Beyond its limited influence on pump prices is a larger question, at least in oil markets — whether the higher supply and lower price at Cushing mean that West Texas Intermediate, which has defined U.S. oil for decades, is waning in its influence on world prices. “WTI is not a broken marker; it’s just not a global marker,” said Larry Goldstein, a director of the Energy Policy Research Foundation, which is partly financed by the oil industry. Record levels Inventories in Cushing hit record levels in January amid rising output from emerging U.S. fields like the Bakken Shale formation in North Dakota and after a new Canadian pipeline began transporting oil from Alberta to Cushing last month. “The biggest impact on Cushing is you’ve had more supply coming in than going out,” said Eric Dixon, director of crude supply in Houston for Northern Tier Energy, a Ridgefield, Conn.-based oil refiner


I wish people would stop buying for 24-48 hours, I would bet what is happening in Lybia, and Saudi Arabia would quickly cease being the information used to screw us over with.     M




nighthawk3569 -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 12:31:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I hate that propaganda and speculation is allowed, and the consumer is held hostage to the bullchit.
There is a town in the US, with excess reserve of oil, and they need to build additional space, in order to accomodate more; unfortunately, I do not remember the name of the town in the midwest (reported on CNBC).   Additionally, reports on CNBC are that there is no fundamental support for the increase in prices, because reserves are high at present.  

If people would stop buying for 24-48 hours, I would bet what is happening in Lybia, and Saudi Arabia would quickly cease being the information used to screw us over with.     M



On the surface, you'd think so, SBBBW, but the 24/48(or even a week)plan won't work. The oil companies can, and will, 'wait out' the motoring public. Why? Because they can.

The only way to make any kind of boycott work is to direct it at one specific oil company. Nobody buys from that company, at all, until they reduce prices to what the public sees as fair. When one company comes down, everybody will buy there... until all of them are forced to lower prices to compete.

'hawk


And this(the one company boycott)won't ever happen, for many reasons.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 12:59:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569
quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW
I hate that propaganda and speculation is allowed, and the consumer is held hostage to the bullchit.

If people would stop buying for 24-48 hours, I would bet what is happening in Lybia, and Saudi Arabia would quickly cease being the information used to screw us over with.     M

On the surface, you'd think so, SBBBW, but the 24/48(or even a week)plan won't work. The oil companies can, and will, 'wait out' the motoring public. Why? Because they can.

The only way to make any kind of boycott work is to direct it at one specific oil company. Nobody buys from that company, at all, until they reduce prices to what the public sees as fair. When one company comes down, everybody will buy there... until all of them are forced to lower prices to compete.

'hawk


And this(the one company boycott)won't ever happen, for many reasons.
I would imagine, that if not one person showed up, at any gas station for 48 hours, the station owners would be inclined to start rolling prices down, but this is only my desire for an experiment opinion.

Why do you think boycotting one company would never happen?   I'm not on facebook, but if the Egyptians can get together, and the Lybians can get together, why couldn't we boycott Hess, Shell, or Mobil for a week?    M
http://classic.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3000007812&play=1
quote:

Despite the high oil prices there is a massive glut of oil in Cushing, Oklahoma, the designated delivery point for Nymex crude oil futures, with CNBC's Scott Cohn, and Brian Johnson, Enbridge Energy, Cushing Region Dir. & GM





DarkSteven -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:24:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Oil prices have gone up in response to the problems in Libya. Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet the shortfall caused by the problems in Libya.

Gas prices have gone up because the 3% of total US imports comes from Libya, and Saudi Arabia has increased production to meet that shortfall.

A perceived possible shortage of oil imports from Libya raised the price per barrel of oil.


Now, the question is:

If Saudi Arabia has increased production to cover the shortage, WHY THE FUCK HAS PRICES GONE UP?


Because the market responds to perceived shortages and problems, more so than actual ones.  The speculators ensure that the market overreacts.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I wish people would stop buying for 24-48 hours, I would bet what is happening in Lybia, and Saudi Arabia would quickly cease being the information used to screw us over with.     M


Why?  Everyone knows that a one or two day boycott would simply result in more gas being bought when it's over.  If I were a station owner, I'd be tempted to jack prices UP during the boycott because consumers would not be able to sit out a price increase then!




pahunkboy -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:42:45 AM)

The dollar is weaker.  Shock.

Hoard silver.




pahunkboy -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:44:25 AM)

A silver quarter will always buy a gallon of gas... and based on this- a gallon should cost $6.45 cents-  right now.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:49:33 AM)

DarkSteven is right about speculators and boycott results. people have tried the boycotts all sorts of times over the years and yeah -- everyone just goes out and buys lots more gas once the thing's over.
i got a smidgen of gas yesterday and it was 3.55 for regular here; i recently moved so i am getting used to what alternative transportation routes are available in my new neighborhood. i don't have any problem riding the bus; we did all the time when i was a kid.
i have a feeling i'll be using them more. not going to events that are far away (i wish NE would create an interstate busline) and probably not visiting cross-town friends as often as i do (which sucks, 'cause i like my friends =p)
not making a bunch of trips to the grocery store; menu planning and getting everything i'll need at one time -- it's a skill from growing up rural anyway, but living in a city with a bajillion grocery stores all within a few minutes travel has sorta spoiled me. haha
menu planning usually helps you save money, too, so that's a plus.




rulemylife -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:49:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Why?  Everyone knows that a one or two day boycott would simply result in more gas being bought when it's over.  If I were a station owner, I'd be tempted to jack prices UP during the boycott because consumers would not be able to sit out a price increase then!



I don't think station owners make much on gas sales.

It's a loss leader to draw customers into the convenience stores.

Other than the corporate owned stores.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:54:44 AM)

I saw it at QT, the cheapest place around Atlanta, for $3.35 for regular.

I just hope it goes down before the first week of April....I am driving to Clearwater for spring break, if I can fukn afford it!

Ugh....




Lucylastic -> RE: $4-$5 gallon gas on the way/Gas prices up 28 cents in 10 days! (3/5/2011 7:54:54 AM)

-Ijust thought I would add that prices here(canada) and in the uk have gone up madly too.




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