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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/15/2011 9:28:36 PM   
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Panda, that is the difference between you and me.

You trust other governments, I don't even trust this government to tell me the truth, do you think I am going to trust someone in Japan, China, Russia, "...... you insert name of country here" to tell me the truth???


Welcome to reality, sweetheart.
Hang on to your seatbelt, it is going to be a bumpy ride.


Oh, no - I don't trust any government or corporation. But in a crisis like this, it is the responsibility of a government to step in and manage the situation. You can't trust the corporate interests that created the crisis in the first place.



When we get through all the current crises, let's start a fun thread called:

Who do you trust the least? The government or corporations!

lol

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/15/2011 11:25:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		For an in-depth update on whats going on with the reactors, exactly what is wrong, complete with diagrams follow this link.

http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclear-rods-blown-sky-high/

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/15/2011 11:27:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChiDS

For an in-depth update on whats going on with the reactors, exactly what is wrong, complete with diagrams follow this link.

http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclear-rods-blown-sky-high/



rofl. Another Prison Planet escapee.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/15/2011 11:45:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChiDS

For an in-depth update on whats going on with the reactors, exactly what is wrong, complete with diagrams follow this link.

http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclear-rods-blown-sky-high/



rofl. Another Prison Planet escapee.



For once I agree with you.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/15/2011 11:59:47 PM   
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I fail to see how one can retro fit an existing construction with any great degree of success.


The basic construction cant be but things like back up power and tsunami walls can be. EHoH also misstates the San Onofre earthquake construction, both in number and in concept. It was built with a nominal 7.0 earthquake in mind, not 7.5. The maximum estimated quake in the area is 6.5.

However Richter scale is not the basis for engineering earthquake protection, its ground acceleration. the Japanese quake resulted in grond acceleration of .35. San Onofre was built to withstand ground accleration of .67. If theres a quake with double the earth moving power of Japan, we've got a lot more to worry about than some radiation leaks.


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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 12:12:17 AM   
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I fail to see how one can retro fit an existing construction with any great degree of success.

Well we're going to find out, because GE Mark I reactors had to retrofitted due to design flaws.

ABC News
New York Times

K.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 12:17:59 AM   
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For once I agree with you.

I am no PrisonPlanet fan, but if the linked sources are correct then containment pools for spent rods were located on the top level of the buildings housing the reactors, and given the explosions at said buildings the Japanese have gotta be facing one helluva mess.

K.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 12:27:59 AM   
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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 4:37:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		How much KI should I take?  

The FDA has approved two different forms of KI—tablets and liquid—that people can take by mouth after a nuclear radiation emergency. Tablets come in two strengths, 130 milligram (mg) and 65 mg. The tablets are scored so they may be cut into smaller pieces for lower doses. Each milliliter (mL) of the oral liquid solution contains 65 mg of KI. 
According to the FDA, the following doses are appropriate to take after internal contamination with (or likely internal contamination with) radioactive iodine:
[06:36] Travis: # Adults should take 130 mg (one 130 mg tablet OR two 65 mg tablets OR two mL of solution).
# Women who are breastfeeding should take the adult dose of 130 mg.
[06:36] Travis: # Children between 3 and 18 years of age should take 65 mg (one 65 mg tablet OR 1 mL of solution). Children who are adult size (greater than or equal to 150 pounds) should take the full adult dose, regardless of their age. 
# Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age should take 32 mg (½ of a 65 mg tablet OR ½ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing infants and children. 
# Newborns from birth to 1 month of age should be given 16 mg (¼ of a 65 mg tablet or ¼ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing newborn infants.

For those who care enough to at least be prepared.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 5:05:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I am no PrisonPlanet fan, but if the linked sources are correct then containment pools for spent rods were located on the top level of the buildings housing the reactors, and given the explosions at said buildings the Japanese have gotta be facing one helluva mess.




The top level storage location is one of those things that were incorporated into the design 50+ years ago, but were immediately changed once practical use began and a couple of scares were under the belt. Most reactors of similar design have had storage locations changed to underground bunkers away from the reactor vessels. If this facility was still using the as-built locations, then it sounds a bit like the keystone cops were running the place. It also sounds like the Japanese nuclear regulatory structure is about as solid as our Wall Street regulatory structure. Thank heavens we haven't gutted the NRC the way we did the SEC, huh?



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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 5:06:58 AM   
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How much KI should I take?  




None.  

You get more radiation from the sun.


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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 5:28:51 AM   
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How much KI should I take?  




None.  

You get more radiation from the sun.




Wrong.

Radiation from the sun and man made radiation are two completely different types all together.  Not to mention being blocked by the magnetosphere filtered though the atmosphere then finally coming down to us. So really don't even try to compare the two.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 5:38:31 AM   
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Radiation from the sun and man made radiation are two completely different types all together. 



Gee, did I ever say they were the same?  Come back off the theatrical ledge, sonny.

What I did say, is that by the time it reaches you, its so diffused, you get more radiation from 'that other source' above you - even with all the atmospheric filtering.





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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 6:00:24 AM   
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If you could you even get it you shouldnt take it unless you are told to do so, but its moot because there isnt any available. Its sold out everywhere and the backorders cant even be delivered until a time we can assume that any real danger will have passed .

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How much KI should I take?  

The FDA has approved two different forms of KI—tablets and liquid—that people can take by mouth after a nuclear radiation emergency. Tablets come in two strengths, 130 milligram (mg) and 65 mg. The tablets are scored so they may be cut into smaller pieces for lower doses. Each milliliter (mL) of the oral liquid solution contains 65 mg of KI. 
According to the FDA, the following doses are appropriate to take after internal contamination with (or likely internal contamination with) radioactive iodine:
[06:36] Travis: # Adults should take 130 mg (one 130 mg tablet OR two 65 mg tablets OR two mL of solution).
# Women who are breastfeeding should take the adult dose of 130 mg.
[06:36] Travis: # Children between 3 and 18 years of age should take 65 mg (one 65 mg tablet OR 1 mL of solution). Children who are adult size (greater than or equal to 150 pounds) should take the full adult dose, regardless of their age. 
# Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age should take 32 mg (½ of a 65 mg tablet OR ½ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing infants and children. 
# Newborns from birth to 1 month of age should be given 16 mg (¼ of a 65 mg tablet or ¼ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing newborn infants.

For those who care enough to at least be prepared.



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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 6:14:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		And what I'm saying is that its still dangerous.  It may be less in quantity on the atomic level.  But the difference in the danger level is completely different.  Man made radiation is much much more dangerous.  But it's fine because things are not looking good with these plants.  The situation is getting worse as the days go by.  So I'm sure your media source will eventually catch up with mine and it will be explained to you further.

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Indeed I should have added that it is not recommended to take KI if you do not HAVE to do so.


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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 6:43:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		If every reactor in Japan melted without any containment whatsoever the effect on California, given gale force easterly winds, would be akin to a good fart in a tornado.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 6:49:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I disagree.  The radiation has been shot into the upper atmosphere not to mention even more damage can still be done.  Things are not under control.  I'm not saying people in Cali are going to drop dead from radiation.  I'm saying long term problems are a possibility.  Little amounts of man made radiation can have long term effects.  Why not take precaution?  We will all see soon enough anyways if there's even anything to truly worry about.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 6:59:27 AM   
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The radiation has been shot into the upper atmosphere


People, including newscasters, are using "radiation" and "radioactive material" interchangeably.

Radiation "shot into the upper atmosphere" keeps going, like any other wave or beam.
There has been no explosion sufficient to knock radioactive material into the upper atmosphere.

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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 7:01:11 AM   
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Thats just not so, there are a lot of problems throughout the Western United States still due to the nuclear testing in Nevada during the mid 1900s, with the wrong wind and the wrong meltdown scenario there would be serious reverberations here for generations yet again

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If every reactor in Japan melted without any containment whatsoever the effect on California, given gale force easterly winds, would be akin to a good fart in a tornado.


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RE: Living in a nuclear world? Nuclear Plant Explosions... - 3/16/2011 7:04:21 AM   
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Little amounts of man made radiation can have long term effects. 


Do you know how many people Chernobyl killed? 56.

A full meltdown in the open air- effectively zero containment- complete with a graphite explosion (a material not used in Japans reactors, and a truly stupid idea) killed a total of 56 people. This in spite of third-world treatment of people affected.

The sky is not falling on America.

It has fallen on Japan, true. But even there many more at serious risk of death from hypothermia than radiation.

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