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Hippiekinkster -> It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 8:18:29 PM)

Watched a good BBC series, "Survivors" (netflix) recently. A 99+% fatal flu virus wipes out the planet. A few have immunity. The series involves how people band together, how they find and use resources, and so on.

Also watching a film "Ever SInce the World Ended" wherein a couple people go around San Francisco interviewing and documenting post-plague (182 people remain in the city). I"ll watch it again since I'm not paying that close attention.

But what would you do if you were one of only a few who survived an apocalypse? What would you scavenge? Why? Who would you band together with (what sort of person/people: authoritarian/strong leader, or a democratic socialist group)? Bear in mind there are no utilities anymore.





Aylee -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 8:45:41 PM)

http://books.google.com/books?id=MeBaAAAAMAAJ&q=How+to+be+a+Survivor&dq=How+to+be+a+Survivor&hl=en&ei=C2GNTcX2L-mW0QGonfm_Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ


You can download this book. Read the section, "How to be a survivor."

I know that it talks about the issue being an atomic bomb, but I think that the advice works for a virus die-off as well.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 8:55:58 PM)

Heinlein?

Anyway, I'm looking for y'alls thoughts. I have my own notions, but I'd like to see what some others think.




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 9:24:01 PM)

This is going to sound damn egotistical.

I'm already a leader.  People follow Me in part because I'm good at it.  Not because I have multiple degrees and speak seven languages.  It's because I assess a situation, find the practical solution, and find a way to carry it out.  I can spot the best person for the best job by a long shot and I can convince darn near anybody with the right method mixed with common sense.

First move.  Fulfilling needs that support life.  Food, shelter, medical supplies.  Who has the strength/endurance to forage for food?  Who is the nurturer to care for the sick/injured?  Who knows what we have on hand for heat?  Who has survival training?  Who has intellectual knowledge that is useful for whatever happened to us?  Give every person a purpose for our survival.

After that, we decide as a collective what immediately follows physical needs.  Is it best to travel?  Is leaving a record important if there is a possibility that another group can find us?  What do we have to do to protect ourselves from outside threats?  What course of action should we take, if we decide to take any at all?  Survive first.  Then we consider matters of choice.




gungadin09 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 9:35:51 PM)

i'm throwing in with LadyPact, if She'll have me. i'm pretty good at cooking. i don't know about the rest.

pam




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 9:39:03 PM)

Somehow, if the world ended, I'd love to have you there with Me.  Not only can you cook and I'm sure you would feed us well, I'd kind of like to have you around just because you would exemplify the goodness of the human race.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 9:53:53 PM)

I refuse to follow LadyPact.

I'll start a post-apocalyptic cult that runs crazy radioactive experiments on devastated survivors and transforming them into mutant monstrosities. 






LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:03:26 PM)

As in most things, you will be overpowered.




sunshinemiss -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:03:29 PM)

I'm in the Lady Pact camp as well. I'm a good leader in a crisis, but in the long term? Not at this point in my life except in small little areas. I'd gladly run the hospital, though... or the school. Whatever is necessary.





LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:04:45 PM)

Definitely the school.  It is your strength and passion.




gungadin09 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:28:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Somehow, if the world ended, I'd love to have you there with Me.  Not only can you cook and I'm sure you would feed us well, I'd kind of like to have you around just because you would exemplify the goodness of the human race.


Holy shit! i guess i fooled You.

pam




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:29:21 PM)

Nope.  Not only do I see you mention your cooking skills quite often, I know quality when I see it.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:35:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As in most things, you will be overpowered.


You cannot dominate that which knows no relent!




gungadin09 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:38:03 PM)

So do i, LadyPact. So do i.

pam




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:41:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
You cannot dominate that which knows no relent!


With the right power, control, and minions...... yes, I can.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:46:49 PM)

I'd like to see that. 




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:48:09 PM)

You don't get out much, do you?




Hippiekinkster -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:50:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

This is going to sound damn egotistical.

I'm already a leader.  People follow Me in part because I'm good at it.  Not because I have multiple degrees and speak seven languages.  It's because I assess a situation, find the practical solution, and find a way to carry it out.  I can spot the best person for the best job by a long shot and I can convince darn near anybody with the right method mixed with common sense.

First move.  Fulfilling needs that support life.  Food, shelter, medical supplies.  Who has the strength/endurance to forage for food?  Who is the nurturer to care for the sick/injured?  Who knows what we have on hand for heat?  Who has survival training?  Who has intellectual knowledge that is useful for whatever happened to us?  Give every person a purpose for our survival.

After that, we decide as a collective what immediately follows physical needs.  Is it best to travel?  Is leaving a record important if there is a possibility that another group can find us?  What do we have to do to protect ourselves from outside threats?  What course of action should we take, if we decide to take any at all?  Survive first.  Then we consider matters of choice.


No, that doesn't sound egotistical at all. I'm Alpha, myself, and actually had a small following way back around 72 or so (very long story). Also have run a small business, have chemistry training, yada yada. But I also understand that I'm neither capable of, nor competent to, micromanage everything. And I would absolutely reject a traditional heirachical power structure. I would also reject any organization based on religious mythology. I would be inclined to subvert, overthrow, or kill anyone who attempted to use force to control others. Force is to be used for self-defense only (including defending against those who commit what the group deems to be criminal behavior (rape, theft, hoarding, and so on).

I suppose that initially travelling would depend on whether one is in an urban or rural environment. At some point I think whatever group forms will need to grow/raise food, so enough land for that will be necessary.

Foraging is a given, considering civilization has collapsed. After securing food, water, and weapons, I would go for medical supplies. Sterile bandaging, syringes, sutures, and alcohol swabs. Antibiotics, antifungals, and antivirals. Pain meds (those are for me - sorry [:D]). Crutches and orthotics. Surgical equipment. Medical textbooks.

Batteries and lamps (flashlights). Candles. Kerosene and kerosene heaters. Bleach.

I think the above is basic. Keeping people alive is the first priority, I think.

Second tier: seeds. Books, especially chemistry, soil science, engineering, plumbing, sustainable gardening, animal husbandry, veterninary science. Hand tools. Building materiels, especially fasteners (nails, etc.) and insulation. Solar lighting and panels. Garden tools. Fishing gear. Clear roll plastic, plasic sheeting, cirrugated fiberglass (greenhouses). Fencing (for raising fowl and livestock). Spare parts for weapons (and more ammo). Livestock and horses (tempted to put horses in the first tier).

3rd tier: pretty much everything else.

SO what are the advantages of being stationary vs. roving? And vice-versa? To me, having an enclave is not an option, it's a necessity.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 10:54:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As in most things, you will be overpowered.
Shit, might as well kill him and get it over with. After getting a sperm sample. He seems pretty useless otherwise.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/25/2011 11:00:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
I refuse to follow LadyPact.

I'll start a post-apocalyptic cult that runs crazy radioactive experiments on devastated survivors and transforming them into mutant monstrosities.
Okay, but if you're successful, your dominant hand will be your only best friend, since you've mentioned, liking 'em pretty.
Are you sure this is the plan you should go for? Better to bow down to the women, as you have in the past. [;)]

As to continued survival, I'd follow gungadin09, and LadyPact.
*waves wait for me* M




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