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NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 2:51:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

after you've killed everyone? Where are your 'soldiers'?  and what kind of leader "leads" from behind in such a scenario, anyway?  it's not like you'd have legions..

I think all that hair is leaching grey matter...


Chronologically, I'd assimilate a group of renegades that would be all for taking what they can through any means necessary.  After much of the opposing population has been eliminated, I would destroy them and have it all to myself.  I may keep a few females alive for entertainment purposes. 

A smart leader is an alive leader.  If it just so happens my boys get leveled, I would still be able to find more pawns.

Yes...a tyrannical leader...that's what the world would need to keep it in line...



purepleasure -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 3:50:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

~snip~
But what would you do if you were one of only a few who survived an apocalypse? What would you scavenge? Why? Who would you band together with (what sort of person/people: authoritarian/strong leader, or a democratic socialist group)? Bear in mind there are no utilities anymore.



I would scavenge everything salvageable, with canned goods and every manually operated can opener the highest priority.

As far as who I would band with? There are not that many people left on the planet. It would be up to the survivors to band together in my opinion, to create a new society. Some people are better leaders, some are better followers. (I would like to be in LadyPact's group as well.)

I would hope that any survivors would have multiple skills that would enhance the chances of reestablishing a flourishing community or society. We would need medical people, people who know how to make things grow, eventually, people that can teach, others to protect our group from outsiders with harmful intent towards us.



sunshinemiss -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 7:10:52 AM)

I'm with Hlen on having Panda in on this.. HOWEVER, he's MY cuddle bunny for night time. I love that guy.



outhere69 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 7:19:47 AM)

I'd hit the libraries and the B&N for all the Firefox books.  Gander Mountain or similar for all sorts of stuff: firestarters, tents, weapons (don't forget the hunting bows!), clothings, etc.



mnottertail -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 7:21:02 AM)

pure leaf lard, can be stored room temperature and hellacious calories.




LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 8:38:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
So do I. There are at least 12 pharmacies within 5 miles of me. Two major hospitals within about 6 miles. Dobbins AFB about 5 miles. At least 7 grocery stores within 3 miles of me. A Home Depot less than 1 mile. Library less than 2. target, Sears, Dollar Store, walmart, guns, ammo, and so on less than 3. medical supply about 3.

Foraging where I live is not a problem. Establishing a secure base would be. There are few naturally defensible places around here.

Sorry, hlen, you don't get to pick. you have whomever is left after the plague. You likely have never met them. You will hook up with whoever can protect you.

For Me, "town" is actually down the mountain.  In a ten mile radius, we have one market.  A small one at that with no pharmacy.  In the small town itself, there is Wal-Mart, two bigger grocery stores, a library, a couple of pharmacies, and various small businesses that I could make use of.  The closest hospital is in Atascadaro, which could be a big drawback.

Feasibly, we could manage if we stayed here.  There are ranches here, so potentially, we'd still have things like milk.  It's wine country, so there even would be fruit, to an extent.  I've got a good chance of having someone who is familiar with butchering and taking care of livestock.

If we had better chances going toward a major city to hook-up with other survivors, I actually do have a chance of finding pam, so I get to keep her.  [:D]



Aileen1968 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 10:03:46 AM)

The first thing I'd do is arm myself as much as possible with the deadliest kind of fire power I could.
I think, based on reading the replies here, that most seem to forget how desperate man can be.
I think it wouldn't be calm and idyllic with little pods of farming groups springing up living off the land.
I think there would be hoarding, raping groups of really nasty people attacking those sweet little organized groups at every chance.
The chance at having power over someone is very motivating.
Only the strong and well armed survive.

My post apocalyptic world is much more violent and bleaker.



NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 10:07:59 AM)

No, you're just realistic.



SAMHAIN09 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 11:32:50 AM)

If the world ends it ends.



Aylee -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 11:42:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: outhere69

I'd hit the libraries and the B&N for all the Firefox books.  Gander Mountain or similar for all sorts of stuff: firestarters, tents, weapons (don't forget the hunting bows!), clothings, etc.


Okay, then I will go raid the museums for the agriculture equipment that we will be needing, the local Army Reserve Armory for weapons and ammo, have Phil bring some horses up, and then we can load up the wagons with seeds, food stuffs (dried is better than canned), and medical supplies.

99% die-off means that there will be about 1000 people left in Larryville.

It is reasonable to assume that there will be foraging for years. In fact, it could be a career for children born after the die-off.

Now, what are we going to do about contraception? This is going to affect our work force. Likely we will have some sort of a return to gendered jobs.



TheHeretic -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 11:52:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
My post apocalyptic world is much more violent and bleaker.



Under this scenario, Aileen, I'm not so sure. If I survived the sudden death of 99+% of the population where I live, I'm going to be competing with less than 100 other people for the resources of my town. With a little bit of luck, I might be the craziest in the bunch. Everything I would need in the initial days is right here on my block, and then I head for a more hospitable climate in my neighbor's nice 4x4 Toyota pick-up, or maybe that nifty search and rescue SUV the local fire station has. Heads up, LadyP, it would be up your way to begin with, I think.

I don't doubt we'll have crazies running loose, but unless violent socio/psychopaths have some special immunity to Captain Trips, they should be sufficiently outnumbered. I don't see small communities as automatically being pacifists, either. An armory is a basic, and a couple Bradleys probably aren't out of the question.

If we are to hold onto any of what we are accustomed to, reverting to agrarianism isn't going to cut it. I don't just want a doctor, I want a dentist, too. The power must come back on. We must remember how to manufacture things, and promote travel and trade, and preserve some symbols of unity.




outhere69 -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 12:37:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
quote:

ORIGINAL: outhere69
I'd hit the libraries and the B&N for all the Firefox books.  Gander Mountain or similar for all sorts of stuff: firestarters, tents, weapons (don't forget the hunting bows!), clothings, etc.


Okay, then I will go raid the museums for the agriculture equipment that we will be needing, the local Army Reserve Armory for weapons and ammo, have Phil bring some horses up, and then we can load up the wagons with seeds, food stuffs (dried is better than canned), and medical supplies.

99% die-off means that there will be about 1000 people left in Larryville.

It is reasonable to assume that there will be foraging for years. In fact, it could be a career for children born after the die-off.

Now, what are we going to do about contraception? This is going to affect our work force. Likely we will have some sort of a return to gendered jobs.

We'll have search parties out for condoms, diaphragms, all those goodies.  Then when those are gone, we'll use Saran Wrap!



LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 12:47:21 PM)

I was thinking that was the other reason to hit pharmacies.  Good point.

Rich, bring water.  I'm not drinking out of that lake.



Aylee -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 1:04:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If we are to hold onto any of what we are accustomed to, reverting to agrarianism isn't going to cut it. I don't just want a doctor, I want a dentist, too. The power must come back on. We must remember how to manufacture things, and promote travel and trade, and preserve some symbols of unity.


It is not that those things would be forgotten, Heretic, it is that there would be a lack of manpower to do them.

Crop yields will go down with a lack of pesticides and fertilizers, there will be a severe shortage of doctors and dentists and no way to train more immediately because of the labor shortage.

Vehicles will be usable for a while, but not too long because fuel stations will not be supplied.

You might find this little story helpful in understanding just what a 99% die-off is going to do to manufacture, trade, and such. http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html



Aylee -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 1:05:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I was thinking that was the other reason to hit pharmacies.  Good point.

Rich, bring water.  I'm not drinking out of that lake.



With that much of a die-off is contraception a good idea?



TheShrew -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 1:22:18 PM)

Initially, yes. You'd need to become proficient at protecting/sustaining your own lives, as survivors, before creating new lives to protect/sustain.



needlesandpins -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 1:31:27 PM)

i'd pretty much be happy on my own if i'd lost those close to me. i really don't want to be part of a new build group which considering my skills is probably very selfish. however;

i would fine the nearest farm with good grass and machinery. i have a degree in agriculture, horticulture and amimal husbandry so i'm going to set up my own farm. i'll use whatever machinery i could to start with and drain any diesel/fuel i can get hold of including oil. i'd also go to where i know there are draught horses and carts. i can also use horses to plough. there are several local seed stores or farming impliment stores that i would rob. i'd have the guns and protection stuff as a must. i am trained in veterinary meds and the use of and can manage most wounds and while i am not legally qualified to inject into veins, i can do it. i already have a pretty extencive med's kit but i'd be getting as much as i could get my hands on. i also know how to make a charcoal fridge to store meds and food. i make my own jams, can do pickles and chutney too. i'd have chickens and i know how to fish and can gut just about anything although i'd rather have someone else for that. i can be pretty much self suffuicient in no time. i'm a good cook and have cooked on camp fires and bbq.

i'd also be getting as much bottled water as possible. then go to any camping shop to get water refining tables, flints and anything that would be helpful.

i don't want to be a leader but if people want to live with and help me then cool. if i could have my playmate with me too that would be even better.

needles



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 1:57:29 PM)

I agree with Aileen, the natural organizers and survivors would be getting their act together, the rest would panic. Hunger makes you do that. I think the leadership types would have to learn to make some tough choices, since inevitably there would be those who want their money for nothing and their chicks for free.

As in all emergency situations, you would see the best of human nature in action as well as the worst.

Would the best beat out the worst? We better hope so.



LadyPact -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 2:41:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
With that much of a die-off is contraception a good idea?

I agree with TheShrew's answer on this.  Something like a flu virus would make it hard to know just how long the window is before we would know that we're not going to loose more folks to the illness.  What's the window for us to know that more people won't get sick again?  Kind of a nasty thought, but if it's a virus, I'm betting signs of morning sickness would make people suspicious.




TheHeretic -> RE: It's the End of the World as We Know It... (3/26/2011 3:41:43 PM)

Maybe we don't have the manpower for mass production, Aylee, but that is no bar on every household having a shop that makes something. Syphon pumps would be an awfully good trade item, I'd think. If we expect every community to be isolated, and self-sufficient, it certainly doesn't work.

Say the 36 million people in California get reduced to 300,000, and this happens without the infrastructure being destroyed. That is still a lot of people to move around, settle where the resources are, and get clearheaded enough to think about the future, in communities of a few dozen or hundred, to a few thousand.

I mentioned benevolent dictatorships earlier, as a model for the "pods," but I think the future would be better off with some sort of larger structure in play quickly, to do the things that cannot be done otherwise. We need a database of who is left, and what they know how to do, for example. Isolation is the enemy, so travel, trade, and communication all need to be secured. The rule of law will need to be sustained, or restored, for there to be any real hope.



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