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thishereboi -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 8:31:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee This guy (crazy looking though he is - I finally went to look) has a 2.3 million FATWA on his head. Whoa... 2.3 million US dollars??? Hmmm, I live in Florida, can't be too far. [:D] K. I'll come down and help, but you have to take me to Disney after[8D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 8:35:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee This guy (crazy looking though he is - I finally went to look) has a 2.3 million FATWA on his head. Whoa... 2.3 million US dollars??? Hmmm, I live in Florida, can't be too far. [:D] K. I'll come down and help, but you have to take me to Disney after[8D] Small World is a HARD limit.

Hillwilliam -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 8:36:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne Please do not repost private mail, and do not post messages from banned users. Thank you. No prob. I figured that, as permission was granted, it was ok. I was wrong and it won't happen again.

Moonhead -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 8:46:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Your comparison to McCain is also unfair...McCain was a prisoner of war and subject to torture....Fonda traveled to Hanoi first class all the way...was treated as an honored guest and one would presume fed the best food available at the time in war torn Hanoi.There experiences could not have been more dissimilar . Nothing that was done to Sorebutt came under torture, as a matter of fact: that's enhanced interrogation now, remember? Sorebutt's actually gone on record a few times defending that stuff, if memory serves. I have no argument with your other point, but the fact remains that Fonda was a civillian and Sorebutt was a serviceman. If we're talking about treason, it applies to both, but could be seen as more culpable in the case that wasn't an actress making a tit of herself. There are plenty of POWs who didn't make propaganda broadcasts, after all.

slvemike4u -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 10:17:46 AM)
True enough,the point about other POW's...but I think you will find that those gentleman realize that every man has a different breaking point....and McCain was in fact paid more attention by his captors than the average GI Joe...first he was a pilot and second he was the son of an Admiral. Jane Fonda,though a civilian was under absolutely no coercion to sit in that seat...and that is something US serviceman will never forgive...Her Obituary will include at least a pargraph concerning her actions and the reactions to same,

Moonhead -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 11:34:48 AM)
This is true. I just find it irksome that the same people who have such a mad on about Hanoi Jane doing that never even mention that Sorebutt did much the same.

Aneirin -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 12:09:15 PM)
In all this, Jones is an attention seeking asshole, who does not care about how his actions affect others, but the murders might not have ocurred if Karzai had not stirred the pot, so what was his game in publicising Jones's stunt to his people, what was he trying to achieve ? Now I am not sure about this, but isn't our combined governments spending lots of tax payers money supporting Karzai ?

kissheels -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 12:49:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What I find odd about this controversy is how, when one ditz in the West burns a Koran or draws a cartoon of Mohammad with a bomb in his turban and that somehow justifies Muslims on the other side of the globe rioting and murdering innocents by the score, while when they burn Christians or Hindus or 'witches' or stone rape victims we just yawn. No one over here really even hears about it. Just another day, you know? Muslims are free to walk anywhere in the West and our laws protect them, yet if we walk in their midst we must be "respectful' of their ways, in other words be very afraid or scared to be ourselves. Call me a rebel but Ive always disagreed with such double standards. [sm=goodpost.gif][sm=agree.gif]

slvemike4u -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 2:03:45 PM)
And what, pray tell ,is so wrong with doing that ?

thompsonx -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 2:28:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave The Founders did not target women and children; the Brits negotiated with muskets, and events of 200+ years ago are at best strawmen. In this case, wispy weak strawmen. If you had ever read a history book written for anyone beyong the fifth grade you would know that the american revolutionaries did target women and children of the tories. I find it amazing that someone comes to a discussion like this, and feels compelled to post their ignorant opinions without ever considering researching their subject... Self imposed ignorance is its own reward I suppose.

thompsonx -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 2:31:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: First you would have to prove that he really believed anyone would be killed. Do you think he knows now? I doubt it So you believe that an attention whore like him would not notice the newspapers and t.v. coverage,or, are you being your usual obtuse self?

thompsonx -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 2:35:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Should read: Jones burned the Koran; Hanoi Jane (metaphorically) burned America. I am only able to comment on what you actually post. Hanoi jane was an american citizen exercising her constitutional right to protest an illegal and immoral military invasion of a soverign country...your opinion is simply your opinion.

AlwaysLisa -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 2:38:29 PM)
Taking this back to the OP.... I'm sure the burning of what is sacred to some, rattled a few cages...but I recall how irritated and well, just plain pissed off my father was when they held flag burnings to protest the war. I don't recall a bunch of war veterans going on a killing spree because a symbol of what they hold dear was set ablaze. Sounds like they would have been justified, I mean...they were upset, the flag that symbolized everything they fought for was defiled. Time to head down to the town square and wipe out some civilians as they sat in McDonalds enjoying chicken mcnuggets with the family. Or, is it only accepted and tolerated in other countries? "Jones knew what the reaction would be, he is to blame for the deaths". If we start using that theory, it can be applied to a whole lot more then this situation. Some people are walking time bombs, using any excuse to warrant attrocious behavior. Be pissed off, voice it on the news, hell, shout it from the rooftops, but getting your panties in a knot isn't a valid reason for killing innocents. It's a convienence. You now have something to hide behind, someone to lay the blame on. Jones is an idiot, no arguments there. However, murder is still murder and it should not be prefaced with, "well, they were really angry, so lets cut them some slack". Lisa

thompsonx -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 3:04:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u "A picture is worth a thousand words"..or something to that effect.That picture of Jane forever changed her name,in the minds of US serviceman at least to "Hanoi Jane" there she is sitting at the very weapons that were shooting at American pilots.Though the country was deeply divided by the war...for most that was a step too far. I am a viet nam veteran and I know that myself many more who applauded her actions. Personally,and remember I was 14 when American involvement in Viet Nam ended,I could never see her in a movie again without that one picture flashing thru my mind....and I was well on my way to becoming what was considered part of the "counter-culture". Perhaps you might consider just how long after she did that did the u.s. leave viet nam. Growing up and hearing Walter Cronkite announce the rising toll of American dead in,as he famously phrased it ,"South East Asia" while eating one's dinner.,and she sitting at one of the weapons that theoretically added to that count was definitely over the top. Your comparison to McCain is also unfair...McCain was a prisoner of war and subject to torture.... "Ace" mccain signed a confession of war crimes. "Ace mccain gave interviews to comunist journalist. "Ace mccain can only find two people from the "hanoi hilton" that will vouch for him and they both work for the ace's father in law in well paying positions. How many other officers at the hanio hilton signed confessions of war crimes? How many other officers at the hanoi hilton gave interviews to communist journalist? All of the answers to these questions can be found in the "ace's" autobiography where he documents his life as atraitor, liar,cheat and pimp. Jane fonda was a civilian citizen of the u.s. and as such broke no laws while "the ace" was a comissioned officer in the u.s. navy and had sworn an oath (pow code of conduct)not to sign confessions or give interviews to communist journalists. Fonda traveled to Hanoi first class all the way...was treated as an honored guest and one would presume fed the best food available at the time in war torn Hanoi.There experiences could not have been more dissimilar .

thishereboi -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 4:06:44 PM)
No, I think he is really stupid and for some reason thinks what he is doing is right. I am sure in his twisted little mind, he can come up with all kinds of reasons why the killing were not his fault.

slvemike4u -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 4:30:31 PM)
I have no issue with any of your assertions where McCain is concerned,above and beyond that I will not argue with one who served where his feelings about McCain are concerned....but I do think your opinion of Jane Fonda's actions would be the exception and not the norm.

kdsub -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/5/2011 4:41:05 PM)
There is a difference between protesting the war...and calling tortured prisoners of war liars. Butch

truckinslave -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/6/2011 4:24:10 AM)
quote: the american revolutionaries did target women and children of the tories. Care to try to back that up?

slvemike4u -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/6/2011 5:54:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: the american revolutionaries did target women and children of the tories. Care to try to back that up? Well perhaps he might come back and back that up,or failing that...and I know this is a long shot,but you could actually take some initiative and research it yourself. Unless of course you would like to take my word for it(imagine that !)for it is certainly true that irregular re:militia units visited severe depredations and violence on innocents....whether they be loyalists(Tories) or rebels.The southern war was particularly violent,what with the arrival south of one Lt.Col.Tarleton and his raiders,which the movie The Patriot was loosely based on,though for some unfathomable reason they chose to change the name of the antagonists....the characters were in fact based on actual participants and so were the events.These acts were committed by both sides each claiming escalation by the other....as is usual in these affairs. War is never clean and neat...the birth of this new nation was a particularly drawn out extended war...do you actually assume it was all done according to some sort of code of honor?

truckinslave -> RE: I hope that dumbass preacher in fl is proud of himself (4/6/2011 6:15:23 AM)
quote: for it is certainly true that irregular re:militia units visited severe depredations and violence on innocents....whether they be loyalists(Tories) or rebels. I'm certain you think it's true. Were there isolated incidents? Probably. Does that make my statement- The Founders did not target women and children- untrue? No, not in any way.

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