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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 3:41:45 PM

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stick to the topic which is death panels by the repubs....
start another topic, this one is about cuts that will impact the lives and well being of the already sick and under employed more than it will any middle class bagger, but theres no screams of death panels from you, because the cuts wont hurt you

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 3:48:25 PM

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There are no Republican death panels, no one is in favor of harming the children as you claim. What you are complaining about are budget shortfalls, and how best to handle them. The Dems seem to think if they hide their head under a blanky the big scary deficit monster will magically disappear...

News flash, the problem is real and SOMETHING has to be done, and so someone is going to get a haircut.

Obama says were all getting haircuts...

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 3:55:22 PM

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:05:04 PM

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News flash, the problem is real and SOMETHING has to be done, and so someone is going to get a haircut.

Someone???????

The military is getting a fucking 8 billion dollar submarine, while children and the poor are being told "tough, we have a deficit, someone has to hurt".

THIS is what the hell is wrong with the GOP!

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:19:47 PM

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There are no Republican death panels

Are you denying that medicare and medicaid are about health care or denying the GOP is proposing SPENDING CAPS on health care? Spending caps on health care = "death panels." Why not cut military spending? Less soldiers sent to police the world means less soldiers dying and more money to put toward the national debt. Cutting funding for space exploration would save money without killing anyone. So would alot of other things. So many republicans boast about their high morals, but think nothing of cutting in an area they know will cause the death of many innocent people. GOP, where are your morals? How can your leaders throw such a big fit about "death panels," then turn around and propose "death panels?"

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:25:10 PM

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THIS is whats wrong with ENTITLEMENTS.

The Chinese are building a massive fucking war machine for god knows what purpose, the United States is totally broke, beyond broke, but if we need to make the slightest cut to these ever ballooning entitlement programs its equated with taking a knife to the throat of children.

If we go broke faster I am sure we could save even more children, up until the point that we are no more. After that though?

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News flash, the problem is real and SOMETHING has to be done, and so someone is going to get a haircut.

Someone???????

The military is getting a fucking 8 billion dollar submarine, while children and the poor are being told "tough, we have a deficit, someone has to hurt".

THIS is what the hell is wrong with the GOP!

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:39:42 PM

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The GOP isnt proposing "SPENDING CAPS" on health care, the GOP is proposing SPENDING CAPS on taxpayer funded health care.

There are already spending caps on Medicare and Medicaid, there has never been unlimited free money for any program, ever. The debate is about where to draw the line, and since there is no money it has to be drawn closer to where it makes the bleeding hearts faint.

Why not ask the Europeans and the Canadians and Australians to shoulder more of the military load, I am all for that. From the current Drudge Report:

US Air Force spending $4 million a day on war...

NATO running out of jets...

Yeah, let them shoulder more of the load. Why not?

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There are no Republican death panels

Are you denying that medicare and medicaid are about health care or denying the GOP is proposing SPENDING CAPS on health care? Spending caps on health care = "death panels." Why not cut military spending? Less soldiers sent to police the world means less soldiers dying and more money to put toward the national debt. Cutting funding for space exploration would save money without killing anyone. So would alot of other things. So many republicans boast about their high morals, but think nothing of cutting in an area they know will cause the death of many innocent people. GOP, where are your morals? How can your leaders throw such a big fit about "death panels," then turn around and propose "death panels?"

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:41:24 PM

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THISis whats wrong with ENTITLEMENTS.

Entitlements? Is that what you call medicare and medicaid? Retired people who have worked the majority of their adult lives have medicare. Many retired people in nursing homes have medicaid, not just people on welfare. How will you feel if any of your own family members end up in nursing homes and need medicaid? Will you resent them and think they're worthless for taking ENTITLEMENTS? What will you do if a family member you can't take care of gets thrown out of a nursing home because they exceeded their spending cap? Shoot them? Oh wait you can't do that because then you yourself would be receiving entitlements in prison.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:51:19 PM

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Again, what happens after we go broke, because everyone agrees, there is no money. There have got to be some cuts made, there is no real alternative.

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Entitlements? Is that what you call medicare and medicaid? Retired people who have worked the majority of their adult lives have medicare. Many retired people in nursing homes have medicaid, not just people on welfare. How will you feel if any of your own family members end up in nursing homes and need medicaid? Will you resent them and think they're worthless for taking ENTITLEMENTS? What will you do if a family member you can't take care of gets thrown out of a nursing home because they exceeded their spending cap? Shoot them? Oh wait you can't do that because then you yourself would be receiving entitlements in prison.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 4:58:47 PM

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Sanity, it may surprise you to know that the United States spent in 2009 $663,255,000,000 on military spending. China spent $98,800,000,000 for the same period. Do the math, we spent 6.71 times as much money.

Since 2001, Congress has appropriated about $302 billion to cover the cost of US military operations in Afghanistan ($76 billion) and Iraq ($226 billion). This figure includes a down payment of some $50 billion for fiscal year (FY) 2006 costs. In addition, Congress has provided Afghanistan and Iraq, respectively, with about $7 billion and $25 billion in non-Department of Defense (DoD) funding for reconstruction and related efforts. It is impossible to estimate with confidence how much additional funding will be needed to cover the cost of US military operations in these two countries in 2006 and beyond—due not only to uncertainty concerning the size, duration and intensity of the US military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, but also to significant gaps in cost, funding and related data. The Cost of US Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan Through Fiscal Year 2006 and Beyond

It would be one thing if we were spending that money on modern equipment, but aside from the newest class of SSN, and the JTF (joint tactical fighter which is little better than what is in service now, and replaces the F22 Raptor) we are either upgrading old equipment or paying to maintain equipment that is out of date.

We could cut our defense spending by 50%, still out spend the Chinese AND cut the deficit without cutting social security, medicare, medicaid and EDUCATION (the area that the United States is rapidly falling behind the rest of the world.)

The US spends more on Defense than the next 15 countries combined do on it. This is the biggest part of the 13 trillion dollar deficit we now have. My question is will the American people be fooled by republicans and believe if we cut defense spending a little bit the United States will be no more and just destroyed? Or will American people realize the last time we balanced the budget under Bill Clinton we cut defense spending and did not fight as many wars and award as many defense contracts. Republicans would rather increase money on bombs and bullets than on education, the environment, and scientific research such that could cure diseases such as diabetes that costs US healthcare tremendously every single year.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:03:03 PM

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THIS is whats wrong with ENTITLEMENTS.

The Chinese are building a massive fucking war machine for god knows what purpose, the United States is totally broke, beyond broke, but if we need to make the slightest cut to these ever ballooning entitlement programs its equated with taking a knife to the throat of children.

If we go broke faster I am sure we could save even more children, up until the point that we are no more. After that though?

OK then. I guess we can mark that down as a "yes, I'm perfectly OK with children dying, because I'm terrified of the Chinese."

I assume you mean you're alright with your own children dying for lack of medical care, right? We'll just put them on the list right now, then. Thank you for your sacrifice.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:06:11 PM

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stick to the topic which is death panels by the repubs....
start another topic, this one is about cuts that will impact the lives and well being of the already sick and under employed more than it will any middle class bagger, but theres no screams of death panels from you, because the cuts wont hurt you

That's the republican party in a nutshell for you. Selfish cowards. All they care about is themselves, and they live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, may want something they think they're entitled to. That's their entire philosophy in one sentence.

Despicable. Despicable, pathetic excuses for human beings, all of them.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:28:16 PM

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Sweet Dear Loveable Panda...

Thank you so much for the detailed report on how open minded and caring certain leftist sorts really are for "the children".

Of course I dont "fear" the Chinese at this point, but I do respect their growing might as any sensible adult would.

And actually, it is the leftist who is most cruel towards those he showers with government freebies, as cultivating dependence on handouts among human beings is just as much a death sentence as is cultivating dependence among any other animal group on handouts.

The best social programs are jobs, freedom and opportunity - things socialism immediately strips from humanity.

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OK then. I guess we can mark that down as a "yes, I'm perfectly OK with children dying, because I'm terrified of the Chinese."

I assume you mean you're alright with your own children dying for lack of medical care, right? We'll just put them on the list right now, then. Thank you for your sacrifice.

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That's the republican party in a nutshell for you. Selfish cowards. All they care about is themselves, and they live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, may want something they think they're entitled to. That's their entire philosophy in one sentence.

Despicable. Despicable, pathetic excuses for human beings, all of them.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:34:53 PM

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there is nothing more that can be said to paint him in a prettier picture, I retire
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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:36:00 PM

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:38:38 PM

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What the fuck does socialism have to do with this conversation?

Oh, shit, yeah... sorry. I forgot. That's one more thing that you don't understand, and are scared shitless of. Sorry, it's just so hard to keep track sometimes.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:42:36 PM

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I posted this in another thread (in reply to another person) but it is remarkably appropriate here, as well -

What the real shame is, certain people here can only make ad hominem attacks or otherwise attempt to belittle others, as they seem totally incapable of logically addressing the subject of any given thread or post.

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What the fuck does socialism have to do with this conversation?

Oh, shit, yeah... sorry. I forgot. That's one more thing that you don't understand, and are scared shitless of. Sorry, it's just so hard to keep track sometimes.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:48:01 PM

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What subject is that? That's the whole point - any time you post in a thread, the subject immediately becomes whatever the heck you happen to be terrified of that day, because that's all you ever want to rant about. This thread, for example - it's about republicans pulling the plug on people's grandmothers (which, if I recall correctly, supposedly horrifies you), but you didn't want to talk about that, so now you're screeching about socialism and chinamen, because those are two subjects that scare the piss out of you.

How pathetic. "Personal attack, personal attack!! They're being mean to me!!!" You're like a broken record. I've never seen such a crybaby in my life. Grow the fuck up, eh?

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:52:48 PM

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stick to the topic which is death panels by the repubs....
start another topic, this one is about cuts that will impact the lives and well being of the already sick and under employed more than it will any middle class bagger, but theres no screams of death panels from you, because the cuts wont hurt you

Ok, just to clarify things here. Back when we were going through the health care threads and the repubs were talking about "death panels" I was told they were idiots. I was told there were no "death panels" and the repubs were just trying their usual scare tactics and bull shit.

Now all of a sudden death panels = cutbacks. Is it now ok because it's the ones on the left saying it? Or am I missing some logic somewhere?

I'm sorry but I am having a hard time with that. Now that does not mean I am for the cuts. I think there are other areas that could be hit first, but they are going to have to cut something.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 5:57:05 PM

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I think the OP probably said it better than I could and kinda explains where the "death panels" came from
basically the republican proposed cuts are worse than any death panel sposedly proposed by obamacare, yet ...these cuts HAVE to be made, when they DONT

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