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tazzygirl -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/5/2011 6:39:03 PM)

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Geez, and here I thought people killed for drugs, money, greed, lust and jealousy too. How stupid am I?


Your not. But justifying your greed/lust/power/ect as just that isnt acceptable. Justifying it under the name of religion just makes it more palatable to some... and convenient for others.




tazzygirl -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/5/2011 6:42:08 PM)

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I personally believe the world would be a better place without religion and that because the evil that man does devoid of a religious excuse will be down to the man, not the religion.


What would lead you to believe that the evils of the world would decline? There are many evils that have nothing to do with religion or its persuits.

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Evils will continue, but religion if it did not exist would be down to the perpetrator and nothing else, which basically comes down to the simple fact that all of us are responsible for our own actions, no blame nor reason to something that may not even have existed beyond the babblings of drunken people around a camp fire.


The bolded part is what I have been saying repeatedly. STOP blaming religion and START blaming the person who committed the evil. Its a simple concept.




Real0ne -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/5/2011 6:50:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Religion is the root of the evils we have ssen through history, those in power know they can excel through religion despite what they believe, as all it takes nowadays, is in politics the utterance of anything pertaining to the dominant god form of the governed country, and there everyone it seems believes the utterer is a god fearing upright citizen, their popularity there increases.


that would make the english aristocracy their evil twin then.  In fact the kiing even went so far as to translate his own version of the bible for his own version of religion.   LOL

does it REALLY get any better than this?  :)




Real0ne -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/5/2011 6:51:30 PM)

yeh but religions are huge informal democracy;s and easy to put a finger on.




Selectivelight -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/5/2011 11:52:43 PM)

"If you read history, you realize that god is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years! Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cause god told 'em it was a good idea. The sword of god, the blood of the lamb, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers! Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the god question. 'You believe in god?' 'No.' -boom- dead. 'You believe in god?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my god?' 'No.' -boom- dead. 'My god has a bigger dick than your god!'.  Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too! The bloodiest most brutal wars fought all based on religious hatred." ~ George Carlin

Humor aside, religious extremists don't pose a significant threat to the sex industry. Too much money in pornography, toys, and adult entertainment. Basically, the politicians will shake a finger at it, then proceed to disagree on policy until nothing gets done... then blame each other so the voting public stops paying attention to the bigger picture.

I'm not really sure where you're connecting Palin's xenophobic remarks and religious hatred to that though. It's like saying because she doesn't like to bowl, she'll be trying to shut down the local burger shop.




tweakabelle -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 12:08:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: icandothis

Geez, and here I thought people killed for drugs, money, greed, lust and jealousy too.  How stupid am I?



Clearly, you are a hard core long term lust crazed money grubbing drug addict! Have you got any useful tips for a beginner setting out to achieve these goals? [:D]


PS: welcome to the boards!




rulemylife -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 12:17:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule or Conservative Mike must have started another profile.


Don't need to Popeye, I'm perfectly happy to try and help you see the error of your ways with the one I have.




tweakabelle -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 12:21:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: eihwaz

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And when religion is gone and these things continue to happen, what are you going to blame your boogie-man theories on then?

Nazism, Stalinism and Maoism already disproved the idea that people only kill and torture for God.

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ORIGINAL Bertrand Russell
By religion I mean a set of beliefs held as dogmas, dominating the conduct of life, going beyond or contrary to evidence, and inculcated by methods which are emotional and authoritarian, not intellectual. By this definition, Bolshevism is a religion:... Those who accept Bolshevism become impervious to scientific evidence, and commit intellectual suicide. Even if all the doctrines of Bolshevism were true, this would still be the case, since no unbiased examination of them is tolerated. One who believes, as I do, that the free intellect is the chief engine of human progress, cannot but be fundamentally opposed to Bolshevism, as much as to the Church of Rome.


For "Bolshevism," substitute any belief system invoking for its authority exclusive alignment with or access to an unknowable absolute -- dialectical materialism, Hegelian dialectics, certain notions of "God," and so on.





Absolutely! (lol) What theistic religions and all the -isms and ideologies share is an absolute belief in their own righteousness. One of the things we can be certain about regarding belief systems convinced of their own absolute righteousness is that they aren't and never will be.

Any belief system built on this foundation will cause a catastrophe sooner or later. Absolutisms and humans do not travel nicely together. That's one of the many reasons why a plurality, a diversity of belief systems is healthy, physically morally politically and intellectually.




Sanity -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 3:41:48 AM)


Its the far left feminist / ultra pc "government is god, Obama the messiah" crowd enacting mandatory minimums and must prosecute laws for spousal abuse (etc) that are putting the real damper on the BDSM lfestyle.

Only fools fear Christianity because among other reasons, Christianity is fading away. A person is not safe walking down a lot of streets these days, unfortunately. Used to be people were afraid of god and the devil and now people are devils with no fear at all.








Aneirin -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 3:54:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but religions are huge informal democracy;s and easy to put a finger on.


But here I have a problem with christianity if the teachings of Jesus are correct, for he it is reported was against religion and that because of the immoral system that had attached itself or grown out of oranisation of belief, yet after his death what happens, but a religion is created in his name, I wonder if he is spinning in his grave, for that could well be the greatest insult to Jesus and his teachings.

I understand of the teachings of Jesus, he was trying to tell people the god was not in the church, but in the self , others and the enviroment.




MissAsylum -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 3:55:54 AM)

Even though i have a slight..."disdain" for Palin, i would not agree that she is the driving force of putting the lifestyle in jeopardy. i wouldn't give her that type of credit.




Aneirin -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 4:16:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Selectivelight

"If you read history, you realize that god is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years! Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cause god told 'em it was a good idea. The sword of god, the blood of the lamb, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers! Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the god question. 'You believe in god?' 'No.' -boom- dead. 'You believe in god?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my god?' 'No.' -boom- dead. 'My god has a bigger dick than your god!'.  Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too! The bloodiest most brutal wars fought all based on religious hatred." ~ George Carlin

Humor aside, religious extremists don't pose a significant threat to the sex industry. Too much money in pornography, toys, and adult entertainment. Basically, the politicians will shake a finger at it, then proceed to disagree on policy until nothing gets done... then blame each other so the voting public stops paying attention to the bigger picture.

I'm not really sure where you're connecting Palin's xenophobic remarks and religious hatred to that though. It's like saying because she doesn't like to bowl, she'll be trying to shut down the local burger shop.



Ya Know, I still wonder at this, the killings in the name of a deity and particularly those that actually say their god told them to do it, for in this day and age not only hearing voices that tell you to do evil unto others, but just admitting to hearing voices is enough to get you doped up to the eyeballs and incarcerated. So what is it madness or there really is something out there, is science trying to kill god I wonder and of the voices the devout admit to hearing, what god of love and light propels someone to act in death and darkness, for are they sure it is god that is telling them to do what. But then what god of love and light can turn people to salt, drown them, infest them with plagues and send fire breathing snakes to bite them, as that sounds to me as a most devilish work, a believe or be condemned attitude and the works of a tyrant not a benefactor.

But the porn industry being the current target of a vociferous politician, has anyone noticed the actions of politicians, they like celebrities desire their attention, so when they perceive their public image slipping, they come out with something, anything to get that public attention back.People talking wherever they talk is attention being given to the politician.

The porn industry is a very lucrative industry, money is being made on the nature of mankind, but whilst pornography attracts so many big money will seek to take a hold, for there was some evidence uncovered a few years back, that banks and other financial institutions had interests in the porn industry, a case of  where there is muck , there's brass, something every financier knows, the primitive urges of mankind will always need to be quelled and there where primitive actions are, there is money, lots of it to be made.

But then those that rail against the porn industry is it truly they wish to impress their morals on everyone else, or is it they are just disgruntled because they are not reaping the attention and commerce themselves.




LaTigresse -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 4:19:28 AM)

I dislike organized religioun and the far right as much as any sane person, but idiots like the OP jeopardize their own causes much more solidly than any religious wing nut possibly could.




tweakabelle -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 5:15:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its the far left feminist / ultra pc "government is god, Obama the messiah" crowd enacting mandatory minimums and must prosecute laws for spousal abuse (etc) that are putting the real damper on the BDSM lfestyle.



I'm afraid I don't see how laws preventing women being abused by their partners and other forms of domestic violence impact on consensual BDSM/sexual activities, Sanity. And I'm unclear what the etc stands for. Could you be a little more specific for me please?

Like to hold my hand and take me through your reasoning for same please?

Is this the kind of thing you approve of?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 5:32:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its the far left feminist / ultra pc "government is god, Obama the messiah" crowd enacting mandatory minimums and must prosecute laws for spousal abuse (etc) that are putting the real damper on the BDSM lfestyle.

Only fools fear Christianity because among other reasons, Christianity is fading away. A person is not safe walking down a lot of streets these days, unfortunately. Used to be people were afraid of god and the devil and now people are devils with no fear at all.






I hate to throw water on your fire Sanity but "Must Prosecute" laws for domestic violence date to the Bush terms.

As for a person not being safe walking down the streets. According to the FBI, violent crime is much lower today than it was 40 years ago.

Your claim just doesn't stack up to the facts.





Hillwilliam -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 5:34:53 AM)

You hit it on the head anerin. In Matthew, Jesus tells his followers NOT to go to a 'church' but rather to worship in your own room away from others.


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but religions are huge informal democracy;s and easy to put a finger on.


But here I have a problem with christianity if the teachings of Jesus are correct, for he it is reported was against religion and that because of the immoral system that had attached itself or grown out of oranisation of belief, yet after his death what happens, but a religion is created in his name, I wonder if he is spinning in his grave, for that could well be the greatest insult to Jesus and his teachings.

I understand of the teachings of Jesus, he was trying to tell people the god was not in the church, but in the self , others and the enviroment.






DarkSteven -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 7:20:04 AM)

I dislike Palin intensely, but for her stated beliefs and her arrogance.  I have no issues with her at all regarding subjects she has not addressed, such as the OP's assumptions about her views on kink.




thishereboi -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 7:24:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You hit it on the head anerin. In Matthew, Jesus tells his followers NOT to go to a 'church' but rather to worship in your own room away from others.


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but religions are huge informal democracy;s and easy to put a finger on.


But here I have a problem with christianity if the teachings of Jesus are correct, for he it is reported was against religion and that because of the immoral system that had attached itself or grown out of oranisation of belief, yet after his death what happens, but a religion is created in his name, I wonder if he is spinning in his grave, for that could well be the greatest insult to Jesus and his teachings.

I understand of the teachings of Jesus, he was trying to tell people the god was not in the church, but in the self , others and the enviroment.





And the two of you are suggesting others follow his words because you think he was the son of god or because he was a carpenter?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 9:17:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You hit it on the head anerin. In Matthew, Jesus tells his followers NOT to go to a 'church' but rather to worship in your own room away from others.


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but religions are huge informal democracy;s and easy to put a finger on.


But here I have a problem with christianity if the teachings of Jesus are correct, for he it is reported was against religion and that because of the immoral system that had attached itself or grown out of oranisation of belief, yet after his death what happens, but a religion is created in his name, I wonder if he is spinning in his grave, for that could well be the greatest insult to Jesus and his teachings.

I understand of the teachings of Jesus, he was trying to tell people the god was not in the church, but in the self , others and the enviroment.





And the two of you are suggesting others follow his words because you think he was the son of god or because he was a carpenter?


I'm suggesting his words be followed because he preached a LOT of good advice. Loving your neighbor. "the golden rule". Caring for the sick and disenfranchised. His rejection of misogyny. His rejection of "organized religion". His teachings that just because someone is foreign doesn't make them evil.

Whether he was truly the son of God or what isn't as important as his teachings.

Jesus was (I'm gonna start a shitstorm here) quite the liberal in his day. A lot of his teachings are considered 'liberal' even today.




LaTigresse -> RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community and sites like this. (4/6/2011 9:32:33 AM)

The ultra religious right would probably want to lock him up, cast him out....call him the eeeeeeeeeebiiiiiiiiillllllllll debil!




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