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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 3:12:46 PM

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Naaa.. Im sure, eventually, you will rise to the occassion and make us all extremely proud of you!

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 6:59:04 PM

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The funny thing, Boi, is that they'll just forget all about this hateful bile they spout, and blame Republicans for being divisive and partisan, when the talking points turn.

I'm more pro-choice than most people here. I'm also honest enough to look at what it is that I'm supporting, which is far more than most of them will ever do.

But we are the evil Republicans, who all hate women, and granny's, and black people. That's just what happens automatically when we figure out that government is an awful way to do most things.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 7:03:04 PM

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The funny thing, Boi, is that they'll just forget all about this hateful bile they spout, and blame Republicans for being divisive and partisan, when the talking points turn.

I'm more pro-choice than most people here. I'm also honest enough to look at what it is that I'm supporting, which is far more than most of them will ever do.

But we are the evil Republicans, who all hate women, and granny's, and black people. That's just what happens automatically when we figure out that government is an awful way to do most things.

Thats quite unfair of you, Rich. No one said you hated women. I have asked why women and children were targeted while the military was given more money.

As far as being more pro-choice than most people here.... ahem... actions speak louder than words.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 7:15:15 PM

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The funny thing, Boi, is that they'll just forget all about this hateful bile they spout, and blame Republicans for being divisive and partisan, when the talking points turn.

I'm more pro-choice than most people here. I'm also honest enough to look at what it is that I'm supporting, which is far more than most of them will ever do.

But we are the evil Republicans, who all hate women, and granny's, and black people. That's just what happens automatically when we figure out that government is an awful way to do most things.

As I understand it The Heretic, the Republicans are the ones insisting on de-funding Planned Parenthood. Is this incorrect? Is there some invisible actor pulling the strings?

If it's incorrect, then who should I be blaming for the actions of the Republicans in Congress? Is it wrong of me to hold them responsible for their own actions? Should I blame Goldman Sachs instead?

As soon as you get over playing victim, please tell me, just who is responsible for the actions of the Republicans in Congress? And if they are responsible for their own actions (as the Right likes to insist people are), why shouldn't people hold them accountable?

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 8:28:48 PM

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actions speak louder than words.

I marched on Sacramento in 72, Tazzy (ok, Mom couldn't get a sitter, but I was there, dammit). I've also done escort duty, through the fundy bastards. It isn't the job of government to be picking up the tab.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:19:18 PM

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What tab, Rich. You lost me.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:35:51 PM

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Just so we are clear, Tweak, I have been known to get a bit testy when doing civics 101 for folks who regard the domestic politics and policies of my country as their favorite soap opera.

Yes. The Republicans court the fundy vote. I have an easier time with that, than I do with some of the insane wackos the Democrats lie to. They have been thrown some meat, that went nowhere, and the right of abortion has never been in question. Only whether or not the biggest provider should keep getting their taxpayer handout.

The question a disinterested and intelligent observer would ask is "why are the Democrats so eager to poison the well over what everybody knows is a stunt?" If you just want to join the bashing party, feel free to sit in the back of the bus.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:39:45 PM

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Again, you lost me. What stunt? Maybe its the meds kicking in.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:46:31 PM

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Maybe its the meds kicking in.

Must be, Tazzy. We've found common ground before on how these events boil down to a fundraising gimmick.

Or do you feel defensive about having pulled out the debit card on PP's behalf?

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:53:10 PM

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Most people are quite ignorant of the facts of the matter. First, there are a lot of radical religious extremists in the Democrat Party as well as the Republicans Party. Bart Stupac comes to mind. The anti-abortion crowd has a legitimate argument. Abortion does kill a unique living human being. The pro-choice crowd also has a legitimate argument. The government does not have the right to control what people do with their bodies. Which incidentally is a great argument against Obamacare. One thing the Evangeliban fails to contemplate is that if one gives the government the power to prohibit abortion, one has also given it the power to mandate abortions. I believe a woman has the right to have an abortion if she so chooses. I also believe the father has the right to be informed. And to not be completely hypocritical, if a woman has the right to accept or reject her child, then the father should also have the right to accept or reject his child.
Another lie about Planned Parenthood is the name itself. Hate to tell everyone, but men constitute 50% of parents. But men receive 1% of the services PP provides. Abortion constitutes 3%, and none of that is from government funds. About 34% of PP services is contraception for women, which should be the highest priority of the anti-abortion crowd eh. That leaves 62% of PP's services that are just general health care services for women. In other words, Planned Parenthood is really just a facade to provide subsidized health care for women. It seems to me if the government is subsidizing health care it should not be allocated to one sex.
Another irony in the Evangeliban argument is that they believe God is responsible for all the good and bad things that happen, and since spontaneous abortions occur in the majority of pregnancies, which is an order of magnitude greater than elective abortions, that makes their 'God' far and away the most prolific abortionist there is.
Personally, if a woman had an abortion of my healthy child, I would shun her forever. Period. On the other hand, I would expect her to have an abortion in case of fetal abnormality.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 9:54:35 PM

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Must be, Tazzy. We've found common ground before on how these events boil down to a fundraising gimmick.

Or do you feel defensive about having pulled out the debit card on PP's behalf?

Hardly feel guilty about any decision I have made, Rich. However, I believe the fundraising gimmick isnt PP's.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 10:23:53 PM

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I also believe the father has the right to be informed. And to not be completely hypocritical, if a woman has the right to accept or reject her child, then the father should also have the right to accept or reject his child.

Lets be realistic here. How many men would offer to support their children if they didnt have too? Historically, all a man had to do was deny a child was his and that was that. The child did nothing wrong. The mother, unless she gives it up, has to raise that child. They both pay if the father just whistles and walks away.

There are many men who willingly pay... there are many more who deny paternity. The government got tired of raising these children, or helping mom to do so. If a man is willing to drop his pants, he is responsible for any reminders he leaves behind... just as equally as the woman is.

Services provided by PP for men include...

Services offered at Planned Parenthood health centers vary by location. Some of the services include

checkups for reproductive or sexual health problems
colon cancer screening
erectile dysfunction services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral
jock itch exam and treatment
male infertility screening and referral
premature ejaculation services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral
routine physical exams
testicular cancer screenings
prostate cancer screenings
urinary tract infections testing and treatment
vasectomy

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/men-4285.htm

Affiliate Medical Services Summary*
Contraception — 35 percent of services in 2009
Reversible Contraception Clients, Women** 2,327,662
Emergency Contraception Kits 1,537,180
Tubal Sterilization Clients 756
Reversible Contraception Clients, Men 140,648
Vasectomy Clients 3,303

STI/STD Testing and Treatment — 35 percent of services in 2009
STI Procedures, Women and Men 3,419,965
HIV Testing Procedures, Women 391,299
HIV Testing Procedures, Men 123,283
HIV Testing Procedures, Gender Not Reported 21,369

Other Services — 1 percent of services in 2009
Primary Care Clients, Women and Men 19,796
Adoption Referrals to Other Agencies 977
Other Services, Women and Men**** 56,204

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf

That 1% you are speaking about is a bit shakey in light of these numbers.

Contraception — 35 percent
STI/STD Testing and Treatment — 35 percent
Cancer Screening and Prevention — 16 percent
Other Women's Health Services — 10 percent
Abortion Services — 3 percent
Other Services — 1 percent

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 10:41:46 PM

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You admit you are a Republican.

yes, as a matter of fact I do. I guess this means I should go kick a dog or something. Maybe I will get a chance when I get to the park. First I will have to make sure dads stocked up on cat food and then I am off to walk in the woods. Have a great day.

you are the witty one.
lol
thanks for the chuckle

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/15/2011 11:43:37 PM

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The child did nothing wrong.

Then you are anti-abortion?

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 6:31:32 AM

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Yes. The Republicans court the fundy vote. I have an easier time with that, than I do with some of the insane wackos the Democrats lie to. They have been thrown some meat, that went nowhere, and the right of abortion has never been in question. Only whether or not the biggest provider should keep getting their taxpayer handout.

You're being dishonest or you are grossly misinformed.

Anti abortion legislation is pouring out of republican controlled statehouses.

South Dakota passed a 3 day waiting period effectively banning abortion in the state unless the women lives very near the provider.

Kansas banned abortions after 21 weeks (several other states are in the process of doing the same).

Florida is considering a bill that would require an ultrasound with the fetus being decribed to the woman before an abortion could be done.

Ohio is working on a law to ban abortion entirely if a heartbeat could be detected which would ban all but the very earliest procedures.

The federal House has passed several bills that would affect whether insurance could pay for abortions as well as the aborted attempt to redefine rape to restrict abortions in HB 1 (odd that the first bill was a jobs bill but an attack on women).

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 6:40:02 AM

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That has been pointed out Ken, but ignored so Im gonna go for dishonest
(idaho and south dakota in particular)
Im also pretty sure that "only repubs are against abortion" has ever been used, at least not by anyone knowing facts

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 7:05:57 AM

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The child did nothing wrong.

Then you are anti-abortion?

Oh good grief. Is there really anyone out there that is PRO-abortion? With the exception of those weirdos who think that the Earth is over-populated and that we should just stop having children. And the government of China.

I will go out on a limb here and say that MOST people are anti-abortion. Who the hell wakes up in the morning and says, "Imma gonna get knocked up so I can go get my uterus scraped?" Or in the case of a male, "Let's get you knocked up so that we can go taunt the fundies by getting your cootchie-snorcher vacuumed!"

Sounds like some big fun there.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 7:11:05 AM

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The child did nothing wrong.

Then you are anti-abortion?

No, Im pro-choice.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 8:10:01 AM

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You're being dishonest or you are grossly misinformed.

Anti abortion legislation is pouring out of republican controlled statehouses.

South Dakota passed a 3 day waiting period effectively banning abortion in the state unless the women lives very near the provider.

Kansas banned abortions after 21 weeks (several other states are in the process of doing the same).

Florida is considering a bill that would require an ultrasound with the fetus being decribed to the woman before an abortion could be done.

Ohio is working on a law to ban abortion entirely if a heartbeat could be detected which would ban all but the very earliest procedures.

The federal House has passed several bills that would affect whether insurance could pay for abortions as well as the aborted attempt to redefine rape to restrict abortions in HB 1 (odd that the first bill was a jobs bill but an attack on women).

"Considering." "Working on." Tell me, Ken, do you consider a waiting period before buying a gun a violation of the 2nd Amendment?

This story is 38 years old, and it amounts to squat. Let me know when SCOTUS says any of them pass muster.

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RE: Planned Parenthood not getting cut - 4/16/2011 8:41:43 AM

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Just so we are clear, Tweak, I have been known to get a bit testy when doing civics 101 for folks who regard the domestic politics and policies of my country as their favorite soap opera.

Yes. The Republicans court the fundy vote. I have an easier time with that, than I do with some of the insane wackos the Democrats lie to. They have been thrown some meat, that went nowhere, and the right of abortion has never been in question. Only whether or not the biggest provider should keep getting their taxpayer handout.

The question a disinterested and intelligent observer would ask is "why are the Democrats so eager to poison the well over what everybody knows is a stunt?" If you just want to join the bashing party, feel free to sit in the back of the bus.

Rich, instead of getting your panties in a bunch, why not start to explain the benefits of the GOP's actions?
Why should the government NOT provide assistance to women that want or need to have an abortion???
What is a great alternative?
Do you advocate teenagers/women having children they clearly do not want, can't afford, and are not willing or able to take care of??

tag, you are it

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