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HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 7:44:22 AM)

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Stomping your foot and complaining wont gain you the freedom you seek.
you're the only one who's been stomping their metaphorical foot on this thread. and i haven't complained except about the irrelevancy of your arguments. i get it, you are overly preachy and just don't get the concept. fair enough, i can live with that.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 7:49:06 AM)

LOL

Might benefit you to understand the people you are dismissing.

But then again, anyone who speaks out against what you so firmly desire for yourself (which is rather a selfish position) would be wrong.

I can live with that [;)]



TheShrew -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 9:22:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I agree! I think I've just changed my mind.. now, I'm in favor of legalized prostitution. Regulate it, tax it, stop bogging down the legal system/law enforcement with busting hookers. Free them up to go after the real criminals.

{Spoken with tongue firmly in cheek}
and why should it be illegal for a woman to ask for money in return for sex? its her body and her life.


Lighten up, it isn't as if the OP had the slightest intention of "crack" being perceived in the method I've just used it. This thread was teetering precariously close to the edge of becoming argumentative, so I opted to introduce a bit of levity. {My fingers, my choice, right?}



TheShrew -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 9:25:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I agree! I think I've just changed my mind.. now, I'm in favor of legalized prostitution. Regulate it, tax it, stop bogging down the legal system/law enforcement with busting hookers. Free them up to go after the real criminals.

{Spoken with tongue firmly in cheek}
and why should it be illegal for a woman to ask for money in return for sex? its her body and her life.


Especially when legalizing and regulating prostitution has shown to make it safer for both prostitutes and their clients.



*Copy/Paste since it will cover this one as well*
Lighten up, it isn't as if the OP had the slightest intention of "crack" being perceived in the method I've just used it. This thread was teetering precariously close to the edge of becoming argumentative, so I opted to introduce a bit of levity. {My fingers, my choice, right?}



TheShrew -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 9:28:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I agree! I think I've just changed my mind.. now, I'm in favor of legalized prostitution. Regulate it, tax it, stop bogging down the legal system/law enforcement with busting hookers. Free them up to go after the real criminals.

{Spoken with tongue firmly in cheek}


I actually am in favor of legalizing it.


I agree, tazzy, I favor it as well. I was not implying my response was spoken in jest, only the "humor" injected in the heat of the moment that was building.  =)



slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 10:20:16 AM)

Well,haven't we at Collarme gone done the rabbit hole here,12 plus pages dedicated,on the one hand to the preposterous position that folks should have the right to harm themselves in any old way they choose,the other hand of course being an attempt to disabuse these naive proponents of their silly views.
12 plus pages....and not a dent has been made....tell you what folks....live as if,by that I mean carry on as you wish,doing whatever pleases you at the moment....but somewhere in the back of your minds please retain this thought.....what you wish were the law of the land is not ,in fact ,the law of the land.Your proposition that it is your body and you can do what you like with it will go unmolested by anyone else up till,and not an inch beyond,when you run afoul of authority in your pursuit of self gratification....you will find that authority takes a dim veiw indeed of those who deny it its power.There is a large system set up to disabuse folks on their mistaken beliefs....you just might have dealings with this system in your futures.Good luck with that,you are going to need it(luck,that is) [:)]



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 12:03:43 PM)

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Might benefit you to understand the people you are dismissing.
i understand you well enough for my purposes. and enough to dismiss you in the context of this discussion. you and i will not be agreeing on much as time goes on methinks.

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But then again, anyone who speaks out against what you so firmly desire for yourself (which is rather a selfish position) would be wrong.
yes they would be wrong. just as you would consider anyone who speaks out against what you firmly desire for yourself to be wrong. and of course its a selfish position, it is my view on what i have the right to do with my life. it concerns me and nobody else, so it is by definition selfish. what do you know, i was wrong, we do agree on something already.

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I can live with that
then we will both live and let live, til we clash again. [;)]

hannah lynn



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 12:08:11 PM)

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Your proposition that it is your body and you can do what you like with it will go unmolested by anyone else up till,and not an inch beyond,when you run afoul of authority in your pursuit of self gratification....you will find that authority takes a dim veiw indeed of those who deny it its power.There is a large system set up to disabuse folks on their mistaken beliefs....you just might have dealings with this system in your futures.
i have run afoul of that system. on more than one occasion. it didn't change my views or determination to live by my own terms. it reinforced them.

stone walls do not a prison make
~m. gandhi

hannah lynn




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 12:32:01 PM)

Cool,I myself have worn bracelets placed there against my will...I have also been stood in front of a judge to answer for my "transgression"...the result.....an interruption in the progress of my life,huge financial outlays for professional legal services(largely due to this fact...no jail time)and the enduring perception that one should look at risk/reward in a realistic manner(stands one in good stead in this lifestyle too).I wish you luck as you attempt to dance to your own tune,I really do...it is a choice everyone has the opportunity to take.Where you fall off the rails,IMO anyway,is when you suggest that society itself should adopt this outlook.I have no issue with what you choose to do...for the chance that it will impact me is minuscule at best.It is your insistence,despite the costs to society that this should be the norm...Drug addiction is a scourge to society,I am not suggesting that your use meets the level of addiction...but I am acknowledging that there is such a thing as addiction....something you seem to leave out of your model.
Re-hab centers are ,at current,not plentiful enough to offer a bed to all that need one....legalize drugs and you would have more need...that is not supposition that is mere logic....there would be a horrendous toll to pay for your vision of society....you believe you are above that toll....all well and good,but is your neighbor?
Or does that matter at all ?



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:00:48 PM)

actually i don't use drugs anymore. i have chosen not to do so. but i still claim the right to do so again if i choose.

and the needs of society always take second place to the needs of the individual. society is merely an artificial social construct made up of individuals, and thus must always give way to the rights of the individuals who make it up and give it existence.

rehab and treatment are not society's duty. the health and welfare of each person is their own responsibility. if i chose to do crack, then fine. i will die alone and miserable behind a dumpster somewhere. it is the logical outcome of my choice, and it should not be anybody's responsibility to alter or prevent it.

let the junkies die. they chose a path that leads to that end. its their right, and society should not interfere with that. if they decide to stop, then good for them, i wish them all good luck, they have a hard time ahead of them, a path i know personally. but again it is not society's job to help them do that. it is their responsibility and theirs alone. if an individual wishes to help them that is fine, that is that individual's choice. but it is not the responsibility of society as a whole to fix an individuals fuck ups. nor is it society's job to prevent those fuck ups.

hannah lynn



kdsub -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:05:02 PM)

Mike they're just too young and inexperienced... or they have not experienced enough pain yet...give them time. Did you listen when those older and wiser tried to tell you how it was? I didn't...But wish I had.

You keep beating your head against ignorance and arrogance trying to talk to the know it alls... Let them find out the hard way…I’m sure they are good people even if immature.

Butch



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:14:40 PM)

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Mike they're just too young and inexperienced... or they have not experienced enough pain yet...give them time. Did you listen when those older and wiser tried to tell you how it was? I didn't...But wish I had.

You keep beating your head against ignorance and arrogance trying to talk to the know it alls... Let them find out the hard way…I’m sure they are good people even if immature.

Butch
your condescension and arrogance are noted, and you are shown to be a petty person of little consequence.

i have lived on the road and on the street for 10 years, and thus i feel i have plenty of life experience and have experienced more than my fair share of pain. as to my maturity, well i can do without it if it means drying up and living in fear.

growing up leads to growing old and then to dying
and dying to me don't sound like all that much fun
~j. mellencamp

hannah lynn



kdsub -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:18:33 PM)

I wasn't talking to you sweetheart... if I were then it would have been condescending... As they say do you think everything in this world is about you?

Butch



imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:20:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I wasn't talking to you sweetheart... if I were then it would have been condescending... As they say do you think everything in this world is about you?

Butch


You said "they" - if you weren't talking about her, were you talking about me?

And if you weren't talking about me, who were you talking about?



kdsub -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:25:58 PM)

Don't worry your little head about it...just one troll talking to another...carry on with your tea party.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:26:08 PM)

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I wasn't talking to you sweetheart... if I were then it would have been condescending...
well given that i am the one slvemike4u was adressing, and the only one arguing the position you dismissed...i call bullshit. yes, you were talking to him, but you were referring to me and thus it was condescending. if you can't stand behind what you say, you really shouldn't say it.

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As they say do you think everything in this world is about you?
yes, pretty much. i am the center of my own particular universe, and that's the only one that matters to me.

hannah lynn



slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:27:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Mike they're just too young and inexperienced... or they have not experienced enough pain yet...give them time. Did you listen when those older and wiser tried to tell you how it was? I didn't...But wish I had.

You keep beating your head against ignorance and arrogance trying to talk to the know it alls... Let them find out the hard way…I’m sure they are good people even if immature.

Butch
your condescension and arrogance are noted, and you are shown to be a petty person of little consequence.

i have lived on the road and on the street for 10 years, and thus i feel i have plenty of life experience and have experienced more than my fair share of pain. as to my maturity, well i can do without it if it means drying up and living in fear.

growing up leads to growing old and then to dying
and dying to me don't sound like all that much fun
~j. mellencamp

hannah lynn

When you come across a workable alternative to the colored section....let me know,hell let us all know [:)]




HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:29:00 PM)

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When you come across a workable alternative to the colored section....let me know,hell let us all know
i'm working on it..no real sign of success yet, but the research continues [;)]

hannah lynn



imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:33:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Don't worry your little head about it...just one troll talking to another...carry on with your tea party.


ty for useful contribution



slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/17/2011 1:34:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I wasn't talking to you sweetheart... if I were then it would have been condescending...
well given that i am the one slvemike4u was adressing, and the only one arguing the position you dismissed...i call bullshit. yes, you were talking to him, but you were referring to me and thus it was condescending. if you can't stand behind what you say, you really shouldn't say it.

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As they say do you think everything in this world is about you?
yes, pretty much. i am the center of my own particular universe, and that's the only one that matters to me.

hannah lynn

I can,and do stand behind what I say...and what you see as "condescending" I would term knowledge born out of experience.There is something to be said for the "been there,done that" crowd....were you to take the time to listen,rather than dismiss...you just might learn something.
Given all that has been said,and blithely rejected already...I have no hopes you have any intention of doing so......it's cool,what happens next,way down the line is 20 or 30 years from now you get to have this conversation again.....guess which role you will than play sweetie.....that's right,feel free to call bullshit on this too....but mark my words....somewhere down the line you will offer the benefit of your experience to another...I do so hope,for your sakes and theirs,that they receive that advice with more of an open mind than you have [:)]



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