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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/23/2011 6:13:34 PM   
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http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0421/iPhone-tracking-Why-does-Apple-keep-tabs-on-you



Alarming for people who use that feature, but personally I'm not concerned because I have that feature turned off. The information in that article references the same information as the other article. A person still has to have that feature turned on in order for it to work.

Oh! There is one person we should all fear in our quest for privacy: Santa Claus. After all, he sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good. Doesn't that scare the crap outta you? Some near omniscient person living on this planet? *skeered!!!!!*

Have a great day everyone (or evening or morning, as the case may be), I'm off to do some shopping. :)


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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/23/2011 7:26:34 PM   
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http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0421/iPhone-tracking-Why-does-Apple-keep-tabs-on-you



Alarming for people who use that feature, but personally I'm not concerned because I have that feature turned off. The information in that article references the same information as the other article. A person still has to have that feature turned on in order for it to work.

Oh! There is one person we should all fear in our quest for privacy: Santa Claus. After all, he sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good. Doesn't that scare the crap outta you? Some near omniscient person living on this planet? *skeered!!!!!*

Have a great day everyone (or evening or morning, as the case may be), I'm off to do some shopping. :)



What "feature" turned on.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/23/2011 7:31:26 PM   
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^ actually she is wrong.   You can not turn it off.  

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/23/2011 7:39:57 PM   
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I didnt think there was anything to turn on or off... except the encryption mode.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/23/2011 7:53:00 PM   
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I dont own a smart phone.    I do have a cell-- but I often leave home w/o it. 

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 1:01:22 AM   
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^ I guess they did not work - being that you had more then 1.   Nice of you to balance the budget for us. 



I've also had more than one ticket by conventional means, so what does that say? ;)

As for balancing the budget for us? Well that assumes that "back home" is mainland USA and it isn't. :)


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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 1:05:50 AM   
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Say hello to the boys at the office.  Nothing like a paid poster to push the corporate agenda.



I'm completely out of the loop on this. I have no idea what you mean!

???

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 1:15:27 AM   
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What "feature" turned on.



On the page you previously linked, http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/, it states:

How is Apple collecting geodata?

According to Apple’s letter, geodata is being tracked and transmitted to Apple only if a customer toggles the Location Services option in the settings menu to “On.” If it’s off, no location-based information will be collected.



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^ actually she is wrong. You can not turn it off.



Apparently the folks at Wired say you can. *shrugs*

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 1:20:35 AM   
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You talkin' about candid surveilance(sp) ? I got two words for you.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 2:29:31 AM   
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We have them here. We call then "Scameras"

Here is your challenge. Name ONE municipality that has dropped them because of the costs


That was easy enough.

From the article.

"Last week, Dallas officials reviewed the numbers and decided that a quarter of the cameras they had installed to catch motorists running red lights were too effective. So they shut them down. They are not alone. Faced with data showing that drivers pay attention to cameras at intersections — resulting in fewer ticketable violations and ever-shrinking revenue from fines — municipalities across the country are reconsidering red light cameras, which often work too well."

Hard to believe that someone would challenge me on something so easily Googled. Most grueling 3 minutes of my life.



Did you read your whole link?

Because it supports the idea that the cameras effect on safety has been negligible and the reason they are being shut down is only because they are not producing the anticipated revenue.

From your link:


The FHA concluded that cameras provide, at best, a “modest aggregate crash-cost benefit.”

That benefit is so modest that the National Motorists Association has a standing offer of $10,000 to any community that can empirically prove that red light cameras can prevent violations and accidents better than a schedule of traffic engineering steps it recommends, which include proper signal timing, better signal design and improved intersection design.


In fact,  the cameras, while reducing t-bone collisions,  have increased rear-end collisions at those intersections because people will slam on their brakes to avoid the fine:


In 2005, the agency released the first systematic national study of accident rates at intersections where cameras monitor red lights, compiling projections and hard data from seven cities from Maryland to California. The report tabulated 14.9 percent more rear-end crashes than would have been expected if the intersections had no cameras, resulting in 24 percent more injuries.






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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 3:16:21 AM   
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Just my 2 cents, but here in the UK I was taught that if you are approaching traffic lights that have been at 'green' for a while, you should be mentally preparing to slow down and stop cos the chances are the light is gonna change by the time you get there.

And yes I've been stopped by the cops for running a red light - on wet roads in sleety/light snowy conditions - and had a police car right on my tail as I did it... luckily there were no other cars around and I was just given a verbal warning.

The video in the OP's post is a composite of several days over several intersections, but the message is the same... if you run a red light then you should expect to be hit or hit someone else. Thats why busy junctions have lights - to try and bring some control to the area.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 3:23:50 AM   
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Really ? Well you can go out in your impregnable bubble and run over all the people you want and hit all the cars and trees you want. Not me.

I've been driving for 23 years and have had 2 accidents- both over 22 years ago, neither resulting in any injuries. One was my fault, the other could not be avoided.

I have not had so much as a speeding ticket in 18 years and my license has a pic that is nearly 20 years old because I have been getting auto-renewed for having no points every 4 years since it was taken.
Care to compare driving records?
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You think I didn't think this out ?

I'm fairly sure that you didn't. Head on collisions have already been mentioned, but there is also the possibility of a large dog, deer, or other animal running into the road, being run off the road by a truck or impaired driver, or having another driver make an illegal left turn right in front of you. None of these things are uncommon.
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You don't like the consequences of driving like an idiot ? Then don't drive like an idiot and don't stand behind technology that is specifically designed to protect idiots.
Unfortunately, I am not the only motorist on the road when I am driving. If I were, I could almost agree with you.
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And stop for red lights. I have known this since I was ten years old.
Not only do I stop for them, I wait to go after the light turns green. I have seen too many drivers try to 'make' the light and fail not to do so.


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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 3:33:24 AM   
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Only the guilty have to worry about such things, if you are doing no wrong then your life should be an open book to whoever wants to flip through the pages.


If you are in public, then what you do publically .....


It truly scares me that there are people who have come to believe they lose any right to privacy the moment they step out of their home.





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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 4:46:24 AM   
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Yup, public is public. If you can't handle it, stay home - PLEASE.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 6:40:43 AM   
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The drivers in the vid are air traffic controllers-  who are sleepy. 

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/24/2011 6:49:14 AM   
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It truly scares me that there are people who have come to believe they lose any right to privacy the moment they step out of their home.


This idea that youhave privacy when in public always confuses me. How about explaining how this works.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/27/2011 5:51:02 AM   
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"I've been driving for 23 years and have had 2 accidents- both over 22 years ago, neither resulting in any injuries. One was my fault, the other could not be avoided. "

Good. I'm sorry for getting so personal there. It was meant more generally, it came out a bit wrong. It's just that I've seen so many assholes out there it bothers me.

I have been lawless for a long time. Really, I don't care what "they" say. Never have, but there is something more. I'm glad that you haven't been in an accident for a long time, and I would attribute that to being conscientious on the road. So I formally apologize for what seemed like a personal attack. What I am at odds with is a different thing. You seemed to take the opposing position.

Legal mumbo jumbo means nothing to me, but the rules of the road are not mumbo jumbo. There is a set pattern, who has the right of way and who does not. Sometimes that is determined by traffic lights. I have seen people blow through red lights at 60MPH in a 35MPH zone. I have seen people do things that put hair on my chest, curled it and then took it off in one fell swoop.

Now get this, I know everyone thinks this, but I am an expert driver. I have been for a long time, because I come from a car family. I was driving at 13, which was too young I know. By the time I was 15 I had a car that had a passing gear at 105MPH. A PASSING GEAR at that speed. My cousin had a car that accelerated so fast that it ripped the bolts out of the front seats. (modified suspension). I can drive a car sideways if it can maintain a rear wheelspin on a winding road. Don't believe me I can show you. Even the girls in the family learned to drive on stickshifts.

Out on the farm I used to pop wheelies on the tractors. I had one of those Bulldogs that once we got that pesky governor out of the way would do 50MPH, and you are sitting about four inches from the ground. But almost all the wild shit I did, I did alone, except for Mikey. He was as wild as I, and hell we were both immortal at the time. But this is out on country roads with noone else around. There is a time and place, and in the city or with any traffic is NOT the time and place.

When I was alone I did my craziest. Once in a while with others but really only where there were no people. Of course this helps if one does not want a ticket. If I had gotten caught doing 105 in a 55 there is no lawyer who could've gotten me out of it. But I made SURE. At the time I didn't care about a ticket, I cared about lawsuits.

Now I sit back in the seat. I do not drive close to the wheel, I drive like they teach cops to drive. That means that I can't see the light unless I stop a few feet short, thus the only time I have ever run a redlight. The oncoming traffic got a left turn arrow plus green, my side had to wait. I had a carful of people and when I saw the traffic move, I went. There is no excuse, I was in the worng. Nothing happened, but it could've. I just wasn't paying attention and it happened, and there is no excuse. If something would've happened that would've and should've been my problem. I admit it. I was lucky.

One example of this was my last accident, in January 1989. I hit a much smaller car on the highway. It was during the 55MPH years but I was only doing 35 because the weather was bad. All the details are relevant but we don't have all day. I was on my way to work and there was an accident up ahead. I saw a cloud. I attempted ot slow down but I was on ice, and up until then I had no way of knowing. I learned how to drive that day, once I saw kids in the car I hit. Thank whatever that they weren't hurt.

So 1989, I guess within a year for wrecks. Cool. I was 29 at the time.

Now since you don't seem to wreck cars, I assume you stop at red lights. As such I figure you probably go at green lights. Not stale greens or yellows, but real green lights. I try to time myself to the lights, it saves gas and brake pads, and most of my cars have been gas guzzlers.

When you go at a green light you expect the people who have the red light to stop. I am only alive today because one day I dropped my cigarette. I was at an intersection waiting for it to change and I dropped the smoke. I stayed put and retrieved it from the floor and was about to proceed through my green light, and a truck came barrelling across, and I mean a BIG truck, not some hibily pickup. A semi. I would have been dead for sure.

Again. sorry to get on your case personally about this, but I don't think there should be cameras at intersections reporting our actions to generate revenue. I think the cameras should be equipped with a killer laser or particle beam and just vaporize people who run red lights. That one incident, well maybe I would have been vaporized, so what. Afterward I wouldn't care.

I changed, and it scares me thinking about what might have happened. All my stunts and shit, most people would shit their pants. I think a few did. But I warned them. That's the old days and the old days are over. My reflexes are still decent, but the fact is there are simply too many cars on the road to do what I used to do. It's not like it used to be. This is all a big mess, and breaking the rules is a real problem.

If you abide by the rules the other person lives, if they abide by the rules you live. Deal ? It has nothing to do with traffic code or insurance or anything. We are expected to live among one another and that is what it is all about.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/27/2011 5:21:58 PM   
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Down here the city found behavior improved with the cameras, but got worse on neighboring intersections.

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RE: Red Light Camera footage - 4/27/2011 6:01:34 PM   
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So they should send the cruisers there and get the double whammy then.

I have no problem going by the rules of the road. If we don't do that we might as well just stay home and fuck.

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