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LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 8:15:15 AM)

LadyPact, you are my 'straight dominant Master Woman' crush.



ranja -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 8:26:54 AM)

This:

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
A person, of either gender, that considers themselves dominant.......but feels they must demean all that do not agree with them.......only shows great character weakness. They may have a very dominant personality but that does not mean they are a strong and honourable man or woman. It shows great weakness as a human being. Is is dishonourable behaviour. An insecure, weak, dominant person is not asomeone I would want in my life, in any way. To me, they are untrustworthy. They are the type of person I would expect to betray me, especially under pressure. And then, of course, deflect all personal responsibility. Lord help the people in their lives.




diablarosa -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 9:07:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Of course. Which is why it's difficult not to see sub males as victims of some kind of pathology in their environment. If there's a genetic issue which drops their testosterone count, then of course they're simply not going to be as masculine and aggressive as their counterparts. But if you're rockin' the full set of testes, any environment which doesn't allow the full development of your masculinity is inhibiting your capability.

I think that's what really bothers me. Why settle for crumbs when you're capable of so much more - when your genetic legacy gives you the potential for so much force, drive, will to do. To see that potential squandered by grovelling at the feet of a woman who understands nothing of what it means to be a man tells me they've simply given up. And nobody likes a quitter.

People justify this by saying "Hey, if they're happy, then who cares?" - Fuck that. It's not whether they're happy today, but whether they're capable of generating their own happiness on an ongoing basis. And I see little to indicate they can do this. It all seems to hinge on the whims of the women they encounter. That's no way to live.





People who "feel pity" (hate) submissive men are no different than people who hate entire groups of people based on their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientations.

What is the source of hate, of this fear, of this thing that moves him out of his comfort zone? Masculinity problems, perhaps?

My word, think of all the things in life that can threaten his "masculinity". It's not masculine to cry. It's not masculine to write love poems to a woman. it's not masculine to take orders from a female superior at work. It's not masculine to enjoy anal stimulation. It's not masculine to work at home while your wife goes to work. It's not masculine to wear a kilted skirt. It's not masculine to back down from a bar fight. Blah, blah, blah. I'm tired just thinking about all the things which are constantly threatening a man's masculinity, or why this guy or that isn't "a man". i have hunch these macho types hate sub men for their sexual orientation *more* because they hate the object of their sexual orientation: Women. People hate things which intimidate them, moves them out of their comfort zone ect. Women create visceral emotions in these types of haters. Only they know why.

Hating or pathologically looking down on groups of people based on their sexual orientation or sex is an unproductive, stupid and dangerous thing. Many crimes are committed against women based on their sex and many crimes are committed against homosexuals and lesbians based on their sexual orientation. These hate crimes are often committed out of the desire to express the perp's masculine power. So much threatens a man's masculinity as is seen in the stats which show lesbians are not victimized nearly as much as gay men.



Rochsub2009 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 10:12:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Which is why it's difficult not to see sub males as victims of some kind of pathology in their environment.  If there's a genetic issue which drops their testosterone count, then of course they're simply not going to be as masculine and aggressive as their counterparts.  But if you're rockin' the full set of testes, any environment which doesn't allow the full development of your masculinity is inhibiting your capability.



This thread was already way too long by the time I joined in, so I skipped over most of it.  In doing so, I missed this comment.

So you're saying that sub males have low testosterone, and are not as masculine and aggressive as their counterparts?  That's insulting.  And which study do you base your conclusions upon?

Your entire argument seems to be based on the rather barbaric premise that "might makes right".  You seem to believe that males have bigger muscles, and therefore, we should use our superior physical strength to dominate women.  And if we are not doing so, then we are somehow flawed.  How enlightened of you.

Well, since you insist upon using Cro Magnon logic, I'll stoop to your level.

There is no doubt in my mind that you would never make any of the comments that you've made in this thread to another man's face.  And I mean any man.  Submissive, dominant, it doesn't matter.  Instead, you take great comfort in the safety and the anonymity that the internet provides.  But everyone reading this knows that you would never challenge another man in person.  You wouldn't challenge me.  Nor would you challenge Peon.  You're simply "not as masculine and aggressive" as we are.  You lack the testosterone. 

BTW, that was very "manly" of you to take under-handed swipes at LadyPact.  Not only did you "hit a girl", but you did it when she wasn't looking.  But of course, you couldn't help yourself.  Lack of testosterone forced you to take the passive-aggressive approach.

And that ends my Cro Magnon moment.  Back to your regularly scheduled programming.  [:D]



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 11:37:07 AM)

From LadyP:


". . . . I'll share something with you that most female Dominants know that a number of male Dominants don't get much first hand experience with.  There are far more chest thumping male Dominants out there who secretly have a desire to submit than I think many people realize.  There are various reasons for that.  One of the major ones is that they just aren't strong enough to do it.  They're too worried about image and ego so they take the easier path.  They can't handle being who they really are and would rather be what people expect them to be.  I've watched people whose self loathing ate them up over it.  Are they happy now that they changed roles?  It depends on your definition of it.  Happy in what they settled for as a Dominant, but not happy if you think of what they could have had."

Any female with any experience as a dominant at all knows this to be true. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.



diablarosa -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 2:54:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Any female with any experience as a dominant at all knows this to be true. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.



Just because YOU have never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Keep in mind a great deal of men (and really, people in general) like to bottom more than really submit, and this includes women. a lot of so-called "submissive males" are anything but. So... any female with any experience as a dominant should know that too. Do you?



sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 4:09:47 PM)

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Unlike the participants here, most males submissives don't have a number of Dominant women lined up to throw their hat in the ring. The guys on this thread are by far the exception and not the rule


QFT... And to add.... and that make a number of submissive women consider switching sides.

best,
sunshine



NavyGirl18 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 4:48:12 PM)

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If anyone here seriously thinks I'm moved one whit by the opprobrium of a clique-driven lynch mob, then they really do need to get out more.
But I got to you [;)] Now be a good little boy and crawl for me.

*My plan is to make you use up all your printer ink making dart boards[:D]*



NavyGirl18 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 4:54:57 PM)

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I'll share something with you that most female Dominants know that a number of male Dominants don't get much first hand experience with. There are far more chest thumping male Dominants out there who secretly have a desire to submit than I think many people realize.
Not only female Dominants. I have recieved my share of those emails as well. Even stating that I am brand new with no experience whatsoever, I still got them. Apparently breasts are the only criteria by which they judge.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 6:21:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: diablarosa


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Any female with any experience as a dominant at all knows this to be true. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.



Just because YOU have never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Keep in mind a great deal of men (and really, people in general) like to bottom more than really submit, and this includes women. a lot of so-called "submissive males" are anything but. So... any female with any experience as a dominant should know that too. Do you?


Sweetie I am talking present as fem dom in real life, not online. And since I cut my baby teeth in New Orleans in the 70s, I can tell a male from a female, no matter how they are dressed.

Nice try on the snark, though.





Buzzzz -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 6:49:49 PM)

I topped a couple of dommes , so there, they exist.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 6:58:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Buzzzz

I topped a couple of dommes , so there, they exist.



Okay but dearie, you're male. Of course there are fem dommes that might want to topped by a male. *I* do.

My response was to diablarosa, who thinks she can teach her granny how to suck eggs. Just b/c your granny looks like she can't get around well, doesn't mean she's never been.








diablarosa -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 7:09:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Sweetie I am talking present as fem dom in real life, not online. And since I cut my baby teeth in New Orleans in the 70s, I can tell a male from a female, no matter how they are dressed.

Nice try on the snark, though.


ohhh the I'm older than you and I'm so much wiser routine so I won't answer to my obvious foot in mouthery. [8|] Please. I can tell who's a overweight dude in drag too, so... yeah.

nice try on the deflection. It doesn't take away the fact you can't speak for us all, even if we're half or a quarter your age.



gothikbutterfly -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 7:12:07 PM)

*senses a cat fight about to erupt and darts for the exit* GO GET 'EM CP!



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 7:24:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: diablarosa


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Sweetie I am talking present as fem dom in real life, not online. And since I cut my baby teeth in New Orleans in the 70s, I can tell a male from a female, no matter how they are dressed.

Nice try on the snark, though.


ohhh the I'm older than you and I'm so much wiser routine so I won't answer to my obvious foot in mouthery. [8|] Please. I can tell who's a overweight dude in drag too, so... yeah.

nice try on the deflection. It doesn't take away the fact you can't speak for us all, even if we're half or a quarter your age.


Exactly what foot in mouthy was that? I told of my experience. If it's not yours, well alrighty. Speak of yours.

My opinions and thoughts based on my experience are still valid whether you agree with them or not.

I did say and I will quote: I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.

Now, explain to me how you know more about my experiences than I do?

Oh, BTW, thanks for thinking I'm 112, which is a quarter of your age. It *is* a fairly recent pic. Dang I am aging fine !!










LadyPact -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 7:41:40 PM)

I tend to think the bottoming, rather than submitting debate isn't quite the same thing.  However, I will admit that I've got a lot more respect for Dominant men who will stand up and say they like activity x, y, or z from time to time than be too afraid to say that they enjoy something............ Oh, but nobody can ever know.  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.  There's something about secrecy regarding desires that just doesn't work with Me when trying to mix it with the label of Dominant.  How much control do you really have if you're afraid of what other people think about wanting to bottom from time to time?

I've topped both male and female Dominants in My time and it's fun.  I won't do it if people approach Me and it's all supposed to be hush hush because they are scared of what will happen to their reputation over it.  I just happen to think it's a silly stance to take. 



diablarosa -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 8:05:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I did say and I will quote: I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.


selective quoting of your own words now, eh? Im not going to explain what i know about you or your 1970s experiences but I will help you with quoting yourself.






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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

ANY female with ANY experience as a dominant at all KNOWS this to be TRUE. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. And the reverse is NOT TRUE, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.



Oh and about this... "My opinions and thoughts based on my experience are still valid whether you agree with them or not. "

Valid to you. not to me when you package them as ANY and ALL true not true absolutes.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 8:14:47 PM)

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Valid to you. not to me when you package them as ANY and ALL true not true absolutes.
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ORIGINAL: diablarosa


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I did say and I will quote: I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.


selective quoting of your own words now, eh? Im not going to explain what i know about you or your 1970s experiences but I will help you with quoting yourself.






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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

ANY female with ANY experience as a dominant at all KNOWS this to be TRUE. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. And the reverse is NOT TRUE, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.



Oh and about this... "My opinions and thoughts based on my experience are still valid whether you agree with them or not. "

Valid to you. not to me when you package them as ANY and ALL true not true absolutes.


That is merely your own erroneous interpretation. You see, this is a discussion board. You should know up front it's about people's opinions, based on their own experience. You remember back in English class, when you had to write an essay. And you wrote the essay with all kinda "my opinion is," and "my thoughts are" and "I think this" and "I think that," and then you turned it is and your teacher said: honey this is an essay, we KNOW it's your opinion, we don't need all that.

Well, that's what this is, people's opinion.

I don't need to tack "this is just my opinion" on every danged sentence I write. In this particular venue, you are supposed to know that.

Now go fight with someone your own age.



VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 8:56:43 PM)

The last few comments were not about submissive males......just sayin



diablarosa -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/5/2011 9:11:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
That is merely your own erroneous interpretation.
(fart fart fart...)


No. Its YOUR erroneous statement.



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