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WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 8:33:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Well see this would be where we diverge....for I was so convinced of both his eligibility and his suitability for the Job he currently holds....that I cast my vote for him.
See I've been satisfied all along that the selection/election process worked just fine [:D]Seems a majority of my fellow citizens felt the same [:D].

I too was satisfied that he was born on US soil simply because it would have been too much of a political liability for the democrats if he were not but it wouldn't have hurt for him to supply the long form - yes some of the conspiracy was in all probability racially motivated but on the other side of the coin it is pretty apparent a lot wasn't. There was a very sizable concern amongst the people he represents so I see it as a sort of obligation to address that issue fully and not let it fester.




Brain -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 8:48:20 PM)

I wonder if people are satisfied were Donald Trump was born. This is funny and definitely appropriate.


Poll Finds Most Americans Uncertain of Trump’s Birthplace

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/poll-finds-most-americans-uncertain-of-trumps-birthplace/




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 8:53:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Well see this would be where we diverge....for I was so convinced of both his eligibility and his suitability for the Job he currently holds....that I cast my vote for him.
See I've been satisfied all along that the selection/election process worked just fine [:D]Seems a majority of my fellow citizens felt the same [:D].

I too was satisfied that he was born on US soil simply because it would have been too much of a political liability for the democrats if he were not but it wouldn't have hurt for him to supply the long form - yes some of the conspiracy was in all probability racially motivated but on the other side of the coin it is pretty apparent a lot wasn't. There was a very sizable concern amongst the people he represents so I see it as a sort of obligation to address that issue fully and not let it fester.
Oh, horseshit. There was no legitimate "concern". It was all the basest political hostility the lunatic fringe could come up with. I can guarantee you that if McCain was elected, there wouldn't have been a peep from the tinhatters even though he was born on foreign soil, unlike BHL. And I personally believe racism plays a big part in the birther attacks. These are the same people who think all Muslims are tewwowists, and get enraged at a TV science teacher who correctly points out that the moon doesn't generate light, it merely reflects sunlight. Even the KKK doesn't want anything to do with these teabagger birther whacktards.




slvemike4u -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:01:18 PM)

I'm with Hippie on this..the "birther" issue owes it's legs in large part to racism,whether covert or overt.




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:12:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
quote:

ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Well see this would be where we diverge....for I was so convinced of both his eligibility and his suitability for the Job he currently holds....that I cast my vote for him.
See I've been satisfied all along that the selection/election process worked just fine [:D]Seems a majority of my fellow citizens felt the same [:D].

I too was satisfied that he was born on US soil simply because it would have been too much of a political liability for the democrats if he were not but it wouldn't have hurt for him to supply the long form - yes some of the conspiracy was in all probability racially motivated but on the other side of the coin it is pretty apparent a lot wasn't. There was a very sizable concern amongst the people he represents so I see it as a sort of obligation to address that issue fully and not let it fester.
Oh, horseshit. There was no legitimate "concern". It was all the basest political hostility the lunatic fringe could come up with. I can guarantee you that if McCain was elected, there wouldn't have been a peep from the tinhatters even though he was born on foreign soil, unlike BHL. And I personally believe racism plays a big part in the birther attacks. These are the same people who think all Muslims are tewwowists, and get enraged at a TV science teacher who correctly points out that the moon doesn't generate light, it merely reflects sunlight. Even the KKK doesn't want anything to do with these teabagger birther whacktards.

A very large percentage of people were concerned about the issue. I already said I thought a significant amount of it was motivated by race but clearly not all partly because many really do seem to believe negatives about politicians they dislike politically. Therefore I don't think it can be quantified as 100% legitimate or not, and even if it was illegitimate in some way I'm not sure that matters. Obama represents these people just as much as those who voted for him. Base or not many believed it. I heard people say repeatedly "why doesn't he just release the long form?" for ages. That was the thing that seemed to make some sceptics believe because it came across as if there really was something to hide. It would be similarly proper to address whether McCain or Trump were American nationals. McCain was born in Panama when it was a US sovereign territory AFAIK.




Owner59 -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:25:51 PM)

Trump....honored and proud.......of himself.lol

Now......he says,we can get to more serious matters.......[8|]


Thank god we have the donald.


I hear this clown is # 1 right now with cons......


I believe that.


http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-news/trump-obama-birth-certificate-needs-truth-test/920654324001




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:37:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Well see this would be where we diverge....for I was so convinced of both his eligibility and his suitability for the Job he currently holds....that I cast my vote for him.
See I've been satisfied all along that the selection/election process worked just fine [:D]Seems a majority of my fellow citizens felt the same [:D].

I too was satisfied that he was born on US soil simply because it would have been too much of a political liability for the democrats if he were not but it wouldn't have hurt for him to supply the long form - yes some of the conspiracy was in all probability racially motivated but on the other side of the coin it is pretty apparent a lot wasn't.
It was pretty apparent, that a lot of the people asking for the birth certificate, were too insane, if not racist, that no long form would/will suffice.

I'm glad he didn't show the form until today! It's been the singular, biggest way to bring the idiots, and psycopaths out in the open, than just about anything else, since the 60s. I don't think he should have ever shown it, except to, like he did, pre-empt the "where's the birth certificate book" reported to be released soon. [8|] M




tazzygirl -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:39:59 PM)

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Most of the liberals on this site miss the point of this investigation. For 3 years he has blocked the investigation just laughing at the American people. If we had dropped it or never raised the issue in the first place, then any foreigner Idi Amin could run for President and claim they were born in America, but they don't have to prove it to anyone.


He wasnt laughing at the american people... he was laughing at the idiot birthers in congress. [:D]




Owner59 -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:47:34 PM)

And at the media and at birthers here, too.


Laughing at them, with the American people.




Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 9:55:01 PM)

already torn apart as fraudulent!

on the radio this morning a guy came on telling as many people who were listening to quick go to the white house site and download it and put it in adobe where you can see 5 different layers of inserts!

they probly pick some dead sunna bitch out of the book and inserted his name over the top!

this is fucking hilarious!




Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:00:32 PM)

I laugh at the certs!

after all this time they could have completely replaced the binding on the fucking books!


FUCK THE LAW right!!!


quote:

63C Am.Jur.2d, Public Officers and Employees, §247
“As expressed otherwise, the powers delegated to a public officer are held in trust for the people and are to be exercised in behalf of the government or of all citizens who may need the intervention of the officer. [1]Furthermore, the view has been expressed that all public officers, within whatever branch and whatever level of government, and whatever be their private vocations, are trustees of the people, [2]and accordingly labor under every disability and prohibition imposed by law upon trustees relative to the making of personal financial gain from a discharge of their trusts...[3] and owes a fiduciary duty to the public... [4] It has been said that the fiduciary responsibilities of a public officer cannot be less than those of a private individual. [5] Furthermore, it has been stated that any enterprise undertaken by the public official who tends to weaken public confidence and undermine the sense of security for individual rights is against public policy. Fraud in its elementary common law sense of deceit-and this is one of the meanings that fraud bears [483 U. S. 372] in the statute.

United States v. Dial, 757 F.2d 163, 168 (7th Cir1985) includes the deliberate concealment of material information in a setting of fiduciary obligation. A public official is a fiduciary toward the public, ... and if he deliberately conceals material information from them, he is guilty of fraud. McNally v United States 483 U.S. 350 (1987)





Owner59 -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:01:19 PM)

Translation




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:08:26 PM)

Like I said...
quote:

I'm glad he didn't show the form until today! It's been the singular, biggest way to bring the idiots, and psycopaths out in the open, than just about anything else, since the 60s.




Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:09:07 PM)

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/LocutusOfBorg.jpg[/image]

whatever you say







tazzygirl -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:10:17 PM)

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1. Big league politics is blood sport. Obama's policies are designed to destroy the United States. Therefore, if his birth certificate illustrates he isn't eligible for office, I'm all in favor of ejecting him from the game on that ground. FYI, as a lawyer, I can say the game isn't over. Now that we appear to have established he was born here, that doesn't mean he's a natural born citizen. The law at the time, as I've read in some of the journals, states that his mother had to be 21 in order to confer citizenship on him. His father as a dual national couldn't do it. I believe he was a dual national of Kenya and the UK.


The dual citizenship expired. Or did you miss that?

The Supreme Court ruled on dual citizenship... or did you miss that?

The only ages mentioned in relation to the mother goes into effect if the child is born outside the country... which obviously Obama was not, he was born in Hawaii.

But, in case you did miss that... and I think you did...

Under certain conditions, children born outside the US may have US citizenship by birth. This depends on whether one or both parents have US citizenship, how long (if at all) the American parent(s) lived in the US prior to the child's birth, and whether the parents were married to each other or not. The rules have changed several times during the 20th century (mostly in a more liberal direction), so the exact date of one's birth can also be important when determining a claim to citizenship by descent.

Under the current law, if both parents are US citizens and are married, then the child is a US citizen if either parent had a "residence" in the US at any time in his or her life prior to the child's birth. There is no specific minimum period of time in the law for how long a parent must have been in the US in order for his/her status to be accepted as having been "residence" in the US.

If one parent is a US citizen, and the other is not, and the parents are married, then the current law says the child is a US citizen if the American parent was physically present in the US for one or more periods of time totalling at least five years, at some time or times in his or her life prior to (but not necessarily immediately prior to) the child's birth. Additionally, at least two years out the required five years of physical presence must have taken place after the parent's 14th birthday; thus, for example, a parent who was born and grew up in the US, but who left before reaching age 16 and never returned, doesn't meet the requirement.

Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship available to people born previously who did not meet the old requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, § 8(d), 102 Stat. 2619).


http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#CitByBirth

Now, read carefully. Wouldnt want a lawyer going into court without knowing the law. [8|]




tazzygirl -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:11:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

Like I said...
quote:

I'm glad he didn't show the form until today! It's been the singular, biggest way to bring the idiots, and psycopaths out in the open, than just about anything else, since the 60s.



Bita nailed it... and its something I have known all along. The man isnt dumb and he enjoys the fact that so many treat him like he is. It makes moments like this all the sweeter.




Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:11:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

Like I said...
quote:

I'm glad he didn't show the form until today! It's been the singular, biggest way to bring the idiots, and psycopaths out in the open, than just about anything else, since the 60s.



I am so glad that so many people put all their trust in the government!

wow america is a great place!

WE BELIEVE YES WE DO!




Brain -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:13:19 PM)

Honored, it would serve him right if he lost his show for all the despicable things he said.


ThinkProgress » Acclaimed Historian Douglas Brinkley Calls For NBC To Dump Trump, Corporate Sponsors To Pull Ads
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/27/brinkley-nbc-dump-trump/






Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:16:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

1. Big league politics is blood sport. Obama's policies are designed to destroy the United States. Therefore, if his birth certificate illustrates he isn't eligible for office, I'm all in favor of ejecting him from the game on that ground. FYI, as a lawyer, I can say the game isn't over. Now that we appear to have established he was born here, that doesn't mean he's a natural born citizen. The law at the time, as I've read in some of the journals, states that his mother had to be 21 in order to confer citizenship on him. His father as a dual national couldn't do it. I believe he was a dual national of Kenya and the UK.


The dual citizenship expired. Or did you miss that?

The Supreme Court ruled on dual citizenship... or did you miss that?

The only ages mentioned in relation to the mother goes into effect if the child is born outside the country... which obviously Obama was not, he was born in Hawaii.

But, in case you did miss that... and I think you did...

Under certain conditions, children born outside the US may have US citizenship by birth. This depends on whether one or both parents have US citizenship, how long (if at all) the American parent(s) lived in the US prior to the child's birth, and whether the parents were married to each other or not. The rules have changed several times during the 20th century (mostly in a more liberal direction), so the exact date of one's birth can also be important when determining a claim to citizenship by descent.

Under the current law, if both parents are US citizens and are married, then the child is a US citizen if either parent had a "residence" in the US at any time in his or her life prior to the child's birth. There is no specific minimum period of time in the law for how long a parent must have been in the US in order for his/her status to be accepted as having been "residence" in the US.

If one parent is a US citizen, and the other is not, and the parents are married, then the current law says the child is a US citizen if the American parent was physically present in the US for one or more periods of time totalling at least five years, at some time or times in his or her life prior to (but not necessarily immediately prior to) the child's birth. Additionally, at least two years out the required five years of physical presence must have taken place after the parent's 14th birthday; thus, for example, a parent who was born and grew up in the US, but who left before reaching age 16 and never returned, doesn't meet the requirement.

Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship available to people born previously who did not meet the old requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, § 8(d), 102 Stat. 2619).


http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#CitByBirth

Now, read carefully. Wouldnt want a lawyer going into court without knowing the law. [8|]



Yeh!

I didnt see any dates on there that said 1961.

he had to qualify using the law then not the law now.

I went through all this shit on another board damned if I am going to dig it all out again





Real0ne -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/27/2011 10:17:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I'm with Hippie on this..the "birther" issue owes it's legs in large part to racism,whether covert or overt.




its the fucking democrats that started the birther shit in the first place....

geezus fuck already


Hillary





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