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joether -> RE: Long form birth certificate released. (4/28/2011 11:41:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Archer
Obama held that birth certificate until the polls started to shift and he wanted to shift the distraction someplace else.
No, Mr. Obama held the birth certificate because he understood the law (unlike you it seems). There is this one group of people in our country (i.e. Birthers) who accuse the President of being something he's not. In our country's form of goverment, a man is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty. This means the group would have to produce real, actual, verifiable EVIDENCE that shows their arguement has substance. This has NEVER been produced in ANY court room in America. In fact, each time this has happen, the issue was thrown out of court for 'lack of evidence'.
Why should the President have to prove his innocence (metaphorically speaking, that he's born in the USA) to a bunch of people that don't base their arguements on reality or principles? Its not like any of them voted for him....
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ORIGINAL: Archer
Allowing the birther thing to continue served his purposes. I always wondered why the birthers were so dim that they didn't see that the issue was hurting the right more than the left from the start. It was a bright move by the President, it helped him more than it hurt him for how many years?
For birthers, warmers, and creationists to admit to reality, would be to much for their little brains to handle. They have no more ability to handle the real problems this country has, then they are able to teleport to Pluto for a slushie. Have the birthers, warmers, and creationists created jobs? No, just like everything else they didnt do, which is anything constructive, they just sat on their hands, did nothing, and bitched a storm about it.
President Obama really didn't have to show the document. In fact, as James Carville put it on CNN last night, we would know who the idiots in the country were. The president has a ton of matters on his plate, the birther arguement ranks so low on the priority list as to be non-existant. The problem is, a lot of those problems need Republicans to come to the table, be an adult for 5 nanoseconds of their lives, to find a solution to this countries problems (i.e. Jobs). Unfortunately, most conservatives are not sure if the President was born in the nation given all the information that could be found. Would you be looking forward to dealing with someone that cant handle reality and prefers to live in a fantasy world, on real world issues?
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ORIGINAL: Archer
All that energy wasted on the issue that could have been focused on a real issue.
Isn't it amusing that conservatives have bitched over the years at 'wasteful' goverment spending, but are 'ok', with said wasteful spending if it advances their lunacy? If they held themselves to the same level of accountability they routinely hold towards everyone else.....they wouldn't be able to vote let alone run for public office.
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ORIGINAL: Archer
Of course there will remain personal attacks, it's politics folks. Of course trhey will continue to look to dig up dirt, it's politics.
No, they will keep doing it largely due to not being an adult. Most of them behave like children, and I suspect many of them are physically adult, but mentally/emotionally that of a child. When was the last time we saw the GOP tackle a serious issue using reason, knowledge, and maturity?
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ORIGINAL: Archer
I agree with the President that Trump is in essence a carnival barker at a sideshow, though. Whoever wrote that line for the teleprompter in chief needs a raise.
Even more so, what does it say of Mr. Trump, to get dissed by the President of the United States of America, over something trivial? Mr. Trump does not have in any form, the high moral ground in this. He's now considered the Republican front runner. Is this REALLY the best the Republicans can come up with?
You know what conservatives........Your Fired!
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ORIGINAL: Archer
2010 did the job it needed to do and ended the all one party hold on Washington
2012 remains uncertain, but so far the field of candidates for the Republicans remains uninspired at best.
I seem to recall the 2010 election was about....JOBS....and that the GOP would deliever to Congress a JOBS BILL that would mightly help get Americans off unemployment. Here we are nearly five months later (seven if you count when they got elected initally), and not a peep of a jobs bill. In fact, the GOP has made their priorities very clear to the American public: 1) Reduce Spending 2) Give the difference as a tax credit to the super rich 3) Remove regulations that protect Americans from prediatory and irreponsible persons. Or have you forgotten what lead to the Goldman Sachs Scandal or the rig that blew up last summer?
2012 is already been decided at the Presidental level. If Mr. Trump is the best the GOP can field, Obama will get re-elected hands down. Not even Vegas will take those odds. If the GOP maintains its current track record of 'successes' I would wager they will be losing seats, not gaining. In fact, those Tea Party idiots that got elected are now the very thing they screamed about in 2010: Their Incumbants!
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ORIGINAL: Archer
If they can distract people away from the social issues and focus on the economics they might stand a a chance, but little chance that the religious right will stand for that.
But it's still early who knows they might find/ draft an inspiring candidate yet.
Unfortunately, a large part of the economics is tied to the social issues in this country. Health care is a deep social issue with an equally huge economic issue tied to it. When was the last time we witnessed the Republicans show they could deal with this issue like adults and not as children? To make sure real Americans (i.e. the bottom 98% of wage earners) were not screwed by Big Business?
The Republicans have earned all their sin, Archer. None of it was placed on them by some socialist, liberal, tree-hugging, facist, red commie democratic, elitest media or the DNC. They dont want to take ownership of their sins which is rather ironic given where all the religious nutcases are situated in the political spectrum.
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