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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:15:01 PM

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People take advantage of lawless situations. Looting etc. It's nothing new, unheard of or specific to that region.

What does this event have to do with Islam??? Are we presuming we know the religious background of the 300 in question or just conveniently labelling them Muslim because it's a Muslim country?

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After being rescued by a group of civilians and Egyptian soldiers, she was swiftly flown back to the United States.

Must have been the Christians in the crowd that saved her...yep.

I believe a group of women saved her - presumably Muslim although there is a large Coptic minority. I don't think anyone said this related to all Muslims but the victim of the crime did indeed relate it to a problem within Islamic societies.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:18:36 PM

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What does it have to do with Islam? Read Ms. Logans own words, as printed in the New York Times as well as in the OP of this thread:

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Before the assault, Ms. Logan said, she did not know about the levels of harassment and abuse that women in Egypt and other countries regularly experienced. “I would have paid more attention to it if I had had any sense of it,” she said. “When women are harassed and subjected to this in society, they’re denied an equal place in that society. Public spaces don’t belong to them. Men control it. It reaffirms the oppressive role of men in the society.”

And further, this didnt occur in a vacuum, Islamic societies are notorious for their treatment of women. My point in it is that its a reality that many are determined to remain willfully ignorant of, and I believe that point has been well made here in this thread.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:19:14 PM

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Not much of a journalist coming to that view. It relates to a problem of human nature. Most spiritual texts are full of hatred towards women it has to be said.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:23:59 PM

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Thats a twisted argument, its sort of like some of the apologists here wanting to blame Ms. Logan, calling her a liar and even alluding that it was her fault then blaming it on war instead, but the thing is this wasnt war, this event was a celebration.

Indeed. I'm curious, did you read the link I provided? The author of that article recounts her experience as a female reporter in Pakistan during a gathering in honor of the chief justice in '07.

Here's another article you might find of interest... "Reporting While Female" by Sabrina Tavernise

Here's a couple of quotes I'd like to share;

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Last winter, I reported on a religious festival in Pakistan, attended by thousands of worshipers. There were no women, at least that I could see. As I waded through the crowds, I held my breath, looking behind me every few seconds, warding off gropers, pushing them away with my hands. Crowds can be a dangerous place for reporters, especially during war or unrest. Just last Friday, colleagues in Bahrain found themselves under fire from a helicopter that seemed to have singled them out as targets.

But women reporters face another set of challenges. We are often harassed in ways that male colleagues are not. This is a hazard of the job that most of us have experienced and few of us talk about.

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In my experience, Muslim countries were not the worst places for sexual harassment. My closest calls came in Georgia with soldiers from Russia, a society whose veneer of rules and civility often covers a pattern of violence, often alcohol laced, toward women.

A military unit had allowed me to tag along after its seizure of the Georgian town of Gori. The men were drunk. I was working. It was dark with no electricity in a ransacked government office. One soldier became so aggressive with his advances that I found an empty room and barricaded it closed with a couch.

The following night, I walked into an empty hotel that was still closed from the fighting. A man who said he was a caretaker appeared. He stood close to me, watching as I unpacked my gear. He took a key and locked the lobby door from the inside. I asked him why, and he said he was protecting against looters.

The hotel was otherwise empty, and I began to panic. I told him that I had left something in my car. Please unlock the door, I asked. He opened it, and I left.

Again...is it Islam or is it how the world views women who choose to enter a "man's world"?

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:25:45 PM

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So she is a bad journalist because she wrote something you disagree with? I try to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt by remaining sceptical about some scare stories. I agree many texts have plenty of issues with women, and agree that the issue is also about human nature. However, to reduce this issue down to cultural relativism does a very real disservice to the victims of this phenomenon. The hostility shown towards women in Islamic societies is quantifiably worse in some pretty obvious ways. For example, to prove a case of rape in many strongly Islamic soceties requires the testimony of four males. If said crime isn't proven the victim may face punishment for sex outside wedlock.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:26:16 PM

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Coming from someone who wants to defund PP I find that to be the height of ignorant conceit.
because you dont grope/rape/punish a woman physically, you want to deny funding to an organisation that will eventually deny her access to low cost sexual heath care for a pap smear or a mammogram. and not just the right over her own body to control when she has children. That is really high regard for half of the population
yeah western society,/christianity has it all just peachy

So let me see if I have this right, Lucy. You are equating a belief that it is not a legitimate function of the United States government to pay for condom jars and abortion, with sexual assault in the streets...

Were you up all night watching the wedding, are you just being fucking stupid and irrational for some other reason?

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:30:30 PM

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no Dick, I was equating his disrespect for american women who want to be able to make their own decisions and being prevented from doing that by men and laws and religious bollocks
now you wanna go back to slinging around insults, find someone who will feel insulted by YOUR dreck,

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:34:05 PM

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Looks like I did. And if you want some Dick, c'mon down to CA and I'll get you hooked up.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 6:38:44 PM

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To prove a case of rape in most strongly IsSlamic soceties requires the testimony of four males. If said crime isn't proven the victim may face punishment for sex outside wedlock.

A popular belief but untrue in actual fact.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 7:00:39 PM

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Looks like I did. And if you want some Dick, c'mon down to CA and I'll get you hooked up.

not even close .... you were the one using all the big curse words questioning my mental abilities...
as for your ability to find me some "dick" It seems I have all I need right here. so dont put yourself out
thanks tho

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 7:02:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

What does it have to do with Islam? Read Ms. Logans own words, as printed in the New York Times as well as in the OP of this thread:

And further, this didnt occur in a vacuum, Islamic societies are notorious for their treatment of women. My point in it is that its a reality that many are determined to remain willfully ignorant of, and I believe that point has been well made here in this thread.

Islamic societies are not and do not have a history of gang rape. Under Sharia law, the punishment for rape is death. It is not tolerated.

However, the mob was in control and I doubt that it was directly linked to the worship of Islam.

I would also like to point out that Christians of RECENT history have committed gang rape. I would remind Sanity of the wars in former Yugoslavia and the Gang Rapes committed by the Serbs, who were Orthodox Christians. It has been estimated that during the Bosnian War between 20,000 and 50,000 women were raped. The majority of the rape victims were Muslim women raped by Serbian soldiers. Although men also became victim of sexual violence, war rape was disproportionately directed against women who were (gang) raped in the streets, in their homes and/or in front of family members.

During the Kosovo War thousands of Kosovo Albanian women and girls became victims of sexual violence. War rape was used as a weapon of war and an instrument of systematic ethnic cleansing; rape was used to terrorize the civilian population, extort money from families, and force people to flee their homes. According to a 2000 Human Rights Watch report war rape in the Kosovo War can generally be subdivided into three categories: rapes in women's homes, rapes during fighting, and rapes in detention. The majority of the perpetrators were Serbian paramilitaries, but they also included Serbian special police or Yugoslav army soldiers. Most rapes were gang rapes involving at least two perpetrators. Rapes occurred frequently in the presence, and with the acquiescence, of military officers. Soldiers, police, and paramilitaries often raped their victims in the full view of numerous witnesses.

Of course, there have been gang rapes committed by American Soldiers in Iraq.

Of course Sanity will minimize these instances because of the alleged numbers involved. I would suggest, however, that it is not numbers that matter in these incidents, but the very act in and of itself.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 7:13:38 PM

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To prove a case of rape in most strongly IsSlamic soceties requires the testimony of four males. If said crime isn't proven the victim may face punishment for sex outside wedlock.

A popular belief but untrue in actual fact.

As I understand it the rule applying to fornication (Zina if I recall correctly) also typically extends to the issue of rape. I doubt that could be a complete invention and that view is also expressed in the mainstream media besides anti-Islam websites, e.g. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/01/us-pakistan-crime-idUSISL9288020070201?sp=true

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 7:25:43 PM

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Sharia is an example of the nightmares that happen when any religion also controls the justice system.

There are plenty of documented cases of rape victims being punished under Quranic law, for example:
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/everywoman/2007/11/200852519124760476.html
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2007/09/2008525185746360755.html

BTW, the links above are from aljazerra, not fox new network.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/29/2011 7:34:52 PM

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Ok mr. right wing asshole what do you want to do about it?
Do you want to sit there like some whinney little bitch and whimper about how unfair shit is and how bad the situation is or are you going to grow some balls and tell us what you think should be done.
If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem...put up or shut the fuck up.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 2:46:11 AM

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My guess is that the key factor here isn't so much that we're talking of Muslims per se, but of a very frenzied crowd in a revolutionary war situation - one in which the oppressor of so many years is being toppled. Suddenly, all those old, socially-enforced inhibitions are cracked open, and all further inflamed by victory-fever. The average Egyptian in that crowd was going to be in a state of mind that's almost unimaginable to most of us, whatever our culture, I'd have thought.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 3:58:18 AM

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Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media.

That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 4:02:50 AM

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Then you need to read more.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 4:07:02 AM

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Then you need to read more.

Perhaps in this forum, there are even more idiotic statements. But regardless of how many or how idiotic, I still say his comments are one of the most ridiculous.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 5:43:13 AM

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lol... opinions, dear.. opinions.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 5:55:33 AM

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This is the kind of shit that I am fucking sick of.

There is no other group of people that continually does this kind of shit. you are sitting on top of one of the greatest natural resources of all time...What do you choose to do with it? How do you choose to present yourself to the world?

If they can't get their people in line than fuck them. In time it will happen. It cannot be stopped. The internet is probably the most powerful voice for freedom that has ever been created. Al Gore is a fucking genius. But it is time for people in Arab lands to stand up against the tyranny of these religious zealots and nuts.

You can't be conducting business in a modern environment and then allow your people to act so barbaric.

as a country we need to free ourselves from having to worry about these assholes.

if this is not a signal to find alternative energy sources, I don't know what is.

Two quotes from the movie Syriana come to mind...Both of them are from the character of, Bryan Woodman, played by Matt Damon

"What are they thinking *hah*? What are they thinking? They're thinking that it's running out, it's running out and 90% of whats left is in the Middle East. Look at the progression, Versailles, Suez, 1973, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2. This is a fight to the death. So what are THEY thinking? Great! They're thinking keep playing, keep buying yourself new toys, keep spending $50,000 a night on your hotel room, but don't invest in your infastructure... don't build a real economy. So that when you finally wake up, they will have sucked you dry, and you will have squandered the greatest natural resource in history..."

"But what do you need a financial advisor for? Twenty years ago you had the highest GNP in the world, now you're tied with Albania. So, good job. Your second largest export is secondhand goods, followed closely by dates for which you lose five cents a pound. You know what the business world thinks of you? They think a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's exactly where you'll be in another hundred years- so on behalf of my firm, yes, I accept your money."

Fuck them Ayrabs.

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