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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 5:55:52 AM   
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What does it have to do with Islam? Read Ms. Logans own words, as printed in the New York Times as well as in the OP of this thread:

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Before the assault, Ms. Logan said, she did not know about the levels of harassment and abuse that women in Egypt and other countries regularly experienced. “I would have paid more attention to it if I had had any sense of it,” she said. “When women are harassed and subjected to this in society, they’re denied an equal place in that society. Public spaces don’t belong to them. Men control it. It reaffirms the oppressive role of men in the society.”



And further, this didnt occur in a vacuum, Islamic societies are notorious for their treatment of women. My point in it is that its a reality that many are determined to remain willfully ignorant of, and I believe that point has been well made here in this thread.


This isn't a religious thing but a cultural thing. Call it Arab culture but stop calling it islamic society.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 7:15:18 AM   
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Got a point there I guess but I don't think I would use the word "culture".

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 7:25:16 AM   
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It seems to stem from "Islamic culture"...There are Christians in the Middle East that seem not to be a part of this "culture."

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 7:26:23 AM   
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Its certainly not Arab culture, its far more widespread than that. And the behaviors are under the influence of the teachings derived from a certain book...

A book which is (verily I say unto thee) a part of god almighty, if you listen to certain leftists here.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 8:11:18 AM   
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Sanity and Domiguy teamed up once again!!! To battle evil Mooozlumz and those fucking libtards!

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 8:31:33 AM   
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Its certainly not Arab culture, its far more widespread than that. And the behaviors are under the influence of the teachings derived from a certain book...

A book which is (verily I say unto thee) a part of god almighty, if you listen to certain leftists here.

You're wrong. Those same teachings are part of the Jewish and christian faiths, the same tradition of women covering their hair occurs in Judaism for instance.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 8:34:01 AM   
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Neocon rat bastards too...

Fucking amazing!



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Sanity and Domiguy teamed up once again!!! To battle evil Mooozlumz and those fucking libtards!


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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 8:36:30 AM   
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And christian middle-easterners are pretty fucking hard on their women, as well. If women were well treated and anyone in their society, you would see it splashed all over the news and they would be getting pictures with our secretary of state, and gushing about the difference on Faux Nuze. 

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 9:01:47 AM   
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Neocon rat bastards too...

Fucking amazing!



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Sanity and Domiguy teamed up once again!!! To battle evil Mooozlumz and those fucking libtards!


Quite the dynamic duo!

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:07:15 AM   
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FR to those of you who think this is a human thing vs a Middle Eastern/Islamic thing :

I will preface with: Rape occurs everywhere by any and all humans. The problem is in how Government, Religion, Courts handle rapists. To deny that rape in the Middle East is not a huge problem is to put your head in the sand. To deny that rape as a crime is no different here than in the Middle East is putting your head in the sand.

Have you really done any research on this topic ? < Rape in the Middle East > Because if you have, you would know that the Arab countries will not comply with the Human Rights groups in reporting rape. You would also know that rape is severely underreported due to the fact that the rape victim gets the punishment, often death. Think of the little girl who was recently raped in Pakastan and was beaten to death. That is commonplace, people. This happens at alarming frequency. The victim is punished for promiscuity, often banished by her husband, family and friends. the prevailing thought is that no Arab male would actually rape a woman, as it is a sin, so the woman must have enticed him. All you need do is Google : woman stoned for being raped. I think that is a pretty good enough reason to keep your mouth shut if you were to be raped. Please tell me where else in the world rape victims are punished for crime or killed for being a victim of crime
The answer is in Islamic countries.

You can say what you want, call me an Islamaphobe but the facts remain the facts and you saying it isn't so, doesn't make it not so. Find me some data to support your POV. What outrages me the most is the many people in this this thread who are trying to deny the problem. If it was happening in your own back yard or to you, you wouldn't be tossing out the.. ohhh it's just a human thing. If the US government or UK government adopted Middle Eastern policy/Law on rape you wouldn't be whistling that tune. If you lived in Sri Lanka and your daughter traveled to the Middle East to get a job as a domestic worker and was raped, beaten and tossed out a third floor window to her death, you wouldn't be whisling that tune. Popeye called them animals, what would you call some one who raped your daughter, mother or you ? Can you tell me why the rapists of this reporter are not animals, yet if someone called a rapist here an animal, no one would bat an eyelash ?

Here's a little Q&A from one of the top Imams in Iran, what would you think if Bush or Blair or the Pope spewed this nonsense ? What
if our Presidents Spiritual Advisor condoned the rape. Would you live in a society where rape was condoned and embraced by it's leaders ? The difference between it being a human thing and a cultural/religious thing is you will not find leaders of countries or religions or Courts sanctifying rape or giving sound reasons as to why and when it is acceptable.

Q:Can interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain confession?

A: The necessary caution is for the interrogator to perform the ‘Vozoo’ (ablution: the act of cleansing mandated by Islam before praying) first and say prayers while raping the prisoner.If the prisoner is female, it is OK to rape through vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it’s OK for someone else to watch while the rape is committed.

Q: Is raping of men and young boys considered sodomy?

A: No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape

Yes, this is an extermist Iman, but he speaks for a whole lot of people in his country and religion.

Are you aware of the problem that exists for migrant workers who go to the Middle East ? The rape of domestic workers in the Middle East has become commonplace. Let alone death or suicide due to the horrific conditions. In Lebanaon alone female domestic workers are dying or comitting suicide at a rate of more than one a week.

Rape is a human thing ? That may be so, but if you are a rapist and your government/religion punishes/kills/ostracizes your victim, what's to stop you from continuing ? If you suffer no punishment or consequence why not continue ? If your government, Courts or Religion whether openly or silently endorses your crime, there is no deterent to stop.If you can avoid rape charges by marrying your victim, whether she agrees or not, why not do it ?





http://zanarama.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/the-middle-easts-secret-taboo/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/29/dubai-rape-women-middle-east

http://www.migrant-rights.org/2010/02/03/the-invisible-majority-female-migrant-workers/

http://books.google.com/books?id=E-SlpBF145UC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=rape+underreported+in+the+middle+east&source=bl&ots=70b0lEEAYE&sig=2apk3n0zdT6eks8K7CicjX9AN0Y&hl=en&ei=GzO8TZrfCcO2tgfz4ojdBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false




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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:16:05 AM   
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If there had never been, if there never was, if it didn't continue........far from any Muslim/Middle Eastern influence........then I would give the discussion more credit for validity.

But that isn't the case.

I only see, yet another, human fault/failing/crime, being treated as a middle eastern/muslim issue.......... "OMG the horror those eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllll Muslims are visciously raping our women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" To bash an entire people.

I agree....the Middle East, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER CULTURES, have human rights issues. Many MANY cultures and countries do not give women the power/education/health care/voice, they should have. But I find it weak and irresponsible to use one horrible case, to propagate further hate toward one culture just because it is a current fad to hate on that culture at the moment. It is just as irresponsible and hateful as the crime.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:35:07 AM   
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LaT, it seems to be a middle Eastern/Muslim issue.

This yet is another Middle Eastern/Muslim bullshit fucking response

Compare apples to apples. where else in the world are people continually acting in a such a depraved and fucked up manner?

I understand that it is on a few people...Only a handful of the population that is acting in this fashion.

Since that is the case then where is the outcry against such attacks? Where are the mobs representing "the majority" of the people or the police force searching for these ne'erdowells and bringing them and their kind to justice?

It is not fucking happening.

It is high time for the citizenry of the Middle East to decide how they wanted to be represented. By a few assholes or as a Country that is truly looking for something new and a brighter future.

And get our troops out of that fucking Hell hole, pronto!

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:39:43 AM   
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Nobody has denied the disgusting treatment of women in the middle east,
I feel the same way LA T does and if that didn't come out n my posts then maybe you should go back and read a little more clearly.
The US has also declined to ratify the human rights declaration and women are still being raped once every minute.
Rape is NOT a religious crime. Its a crime that most civilised countries have issues with.  Sex trafficking of kidnapped women and children is alive and thriving in the US the UK and Canada...
Why?? because they are muslims? no, because they have zero  respect for women beyond objects and that is worldwide, so instead of feeling superior and able to call over a billion people animals, look in the mirror and wonder why the west is hated just as much. Women will never be safe from rape in my lifetime  but its not just because of religion.




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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:50:18 AM   
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If someone is raped here we prosecute them and actually try and get the fucker off of the streets.


This is just the tip of the iceberg. We don't kill people if someone decides to burn the bible. we don't condemn people to death just because they insult our religious ideology.

if you ar going to defend middle eastern Muslims then don't pick and choose your fights...take them as a whole. Please watch one of the beheadings and then make a comparison as to how we do things.

Where is the outcry?

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:54:31 AM   
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With technology reaching the places that most countries arent even aware of, people will be seeing what is really*hah* happening out there and change may come Domi, obviously not fast enough for those who pretend to care about womens rights, but until they are stopped being used as faux outrage  and as a reason to hate a billion random people who just happen to be muslims, women will continue to be raped and killed by angry husbands, angry fathers, angry people who think they have a right to rape a woman. How many women have been raped int he US in the last year..how many have been reported, how many have been killed or hospitalised
1 per second... thats how many in a year?
31 556 926
insignificant?? hardly



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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:54:33 AM   
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We humans are a culmination of many influences. Familial, societal,religous, economical etc. So to attribute a condition soley to being " human " doesn't make sense to me.

In my previous post I was speaking specifically of rape, not other human rights violations. The fact remains that the Middle East owns the worst record on rape. This isn't something I just jumped on the bandwagon about, or me being fashionable and following a fad. This has been one of my causes, so to speak, since 1981. No one called me names back then, they called me an activist. Many still do, but there is now an element, post 9/11, who chose to call me Islamaphobe, irresponsible etc. Seems to me it is fashionable to call into question the motives of people who have been working to improve the situation in the Middle East negative names, post 9/11. Funny how so many things changed that day.

It isn't about hate, it's about recognizing a major problem. Some may use it for hate, but those people don't need me to post the facts on the problems of rape in the Middle East to do it, they have their own agenda.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my previous post. It's not the evil Muslims, as you say. It's the government, courts and religion that endorses/tolerates it. The blame for the staggering cases of rape in the Middle East are because the crime is not treated as a crime. This doesn't mean all Muslims are rapists, this means the rapists in the Middle East have free passes to continue and those that are coming up behind them are free to rape without consequence also. And whether you , or anyone else likes it, their are religious leaders in some Middle Eastern countries who endorse and approve of rape. That is an outrage. Similar to any other religious leader who might endorse rape, or other human rights violations.


Of course their are human rights violations everywhere. The Middle East doesn't own that. In this particular thread the topic is the rape of a reposter in Egypt, Middle East. My reply was rape in the Middle East specific, not human rights violations.


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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:56:07 AM   
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Because Domi Im talking about rape and rape only.
Im not going into other areas because different aspects come into play
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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 10:58:58 AM   
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Where is the outcry?



They seem to get a lot of cover from the media, DG. Perhaps this incident will change that.

I think we might have even tried discussing that very thing in the past, but it didn't go well.

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 11:02:30 AM   
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One topic does not define the assholism that is the Middle Eastern Muslim.

However, even though rape does occur in the U.S. as well as the Middle east the comparison ends right there....There is no similarity between the two countries in the treatment of the raped or the rapist once the rape has occurred.

End of story. The end...Shut the fuck up!

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RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault - 4/30/2011 11:06:18 AM   
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Where is the outcry?



They seem to get a lot of cover from the media, DG. Perhaps this incident will change that.

I think we might have even tried discussing that very thing in the past, but it didn't go well.



I don't give a fuck about the rest of the world displaying outrage for what transpires in the Middle East. I want the outcry to come from the outraged citizens of the Middle East who are tired of this on going ridiculous level of tom douchery.

People laid their lives on the line during the civil rights movement here. Where are the people of the Middle East that are willing to say enough is fucking enough?

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