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ORIGINAL: domiguy

One topic does not define the assholism that is the Middle Eastern Muslim.

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Where are the people of the Middle East that are willing to say enough is fucking enough?

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We humans are a culmination of many influences. Familial, societal,religous, economical etc. So to attribute a condition soley to being " human " doesn't make sense to me.

The fact remains that the Middle East owns the worst record on rape. This isn't something I just jumped on the bandwagon about, or me being fashionable and following a fad. This has been one of my causes, so to speak, since 1981. No one called me names back then, they called me an activist. Many still do, but there is now an element, post 9/11, who chose to call me Islamaphobe, irresponsible etc. Seems to me it is fashionable to call into question the motives of people who have been working to improve the situation in the Middle East negative names, post 9/11. Funny how so many things changed that day.

It isn't about hate, it's about recognizing a major problem. Some may use it for hate, but those people don't need me to post the facts on the problems of rape in the Middle East to do it, they have their own agenda.

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Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media.

That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here.

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Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media.

That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here.

Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know.
Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress.
This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric.
The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know.
Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress.
This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric.
The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know.
Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress.
This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric.
The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist.

So how do you explain the other 60 reported rapes during the protests ? Ms. Logan was one of 61 victims we know of.

If the other 60 reported rapes were directed at western journalist then it would be logical to suspect a patern. If on the other hand the other 60 reported rapes were random acts of violence then I have no clue as to their cause or motivation


Blaming her rape on her being a journalist is akin to blaming the victim for dressing provacatively, imo.

I thought I was pretty clear about placing the blame. For you to suggest that I have placed that blame on the victim is disingenuous at best.

It has little to do with anything. So , yeah, you're right in my case, I do not believe this was simply a case of a high profile female attractive < to use your words >, western journalist being targeted by Mubarics goons. She was a victim of rape, just as the other 60 were. Plain and Simple.

So you do not feel that mubaric would use rape as a weapon against his percieved enemies?
Every other dictator in history has...why is it that you think he would not?

And just to be clear :
Lara Logan was in Tahrir Square covering the celebration of Mubabric stepping down. So Mubaric wasn't in power when this happened.

Really???who was in power? Do you really think he would call off his goons on the way out??? Would you if you were he?
As I listened to the events unfold, npr had reporters in the crowd who were reporting with satellite cell phones...their universal plea was for western journalist to be there with them and document what they were doing. My point is that the people who overthrew mubaric would not likely be the ones who would be my first suspect in these rapes. Those who had motive,method and opportunity to commit these crimes would logically seem to be those who might have something to gain from intimidating western journalists.

mbmbn

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Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media.

That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here.

Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know.
Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress.
This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric.
The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist.

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She was targeted, no doubt, but to analyze it so simply is idiotic.

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What does it have to do with Islam? Read Ms. Logans own words, as printed in the New York Times as well as in the OP of this thread:



And further, this didnt occur in a vacuum, Islamic societies are notorious for their treatment of women. My point in it is that its a reality that many are determined to remain willfully ignorant of, and I believe that point has been well made here in this thread.

Islamic societies are not and do not have a history of gang rape. Under Sharia law, the punishment for rape is death. It is not tolerated.

However, the mob was in control and I doubt that it was directly linked to the worship of Islam.

I would also like to point out that Christians of RECENT history have committed gang rape. I would remind Sanity of the wars in former Yugoslavia and the Gang Rapes committed by the Serbs, who were Orthodox Christians. It has been estimated that during the Bosnian War between 20,000 and 50,000 women were raped. The majority of the rape victims were Muslim women raped by Serbian soldiers. Although men also became victim of sexual violence, war rape was disproportionately directed against women who were (gang) raped in the streets, in their homes and/or in front of family members.

During the Kosovo War thousands of Kosovo Albanian women and girls became victims of sexual violence. War rape was used as a weapon of war and an instrument of systematic ethnic cleansing; rape was used to terrorize the civilian population, extort money from families, and force people to flee their homes. According to a 2000 Human Rights Watch report war rape in the Kosovo War can generally be subdivided into three categories: rapes in women's homes, rapes during fighting, and rapes in detention. The majority of the perpetrators were Serbian paramilitaries, but they also included Serbian special police or Yugoslav army soldiers. Most rapes were gang rapes involving at least two perpetrators. Rapes occurred frequently in the presence, and with the acquiescence, of military officers. Soldiers, police, and paramilitaries often raped their victims in the full view of numerous witnesses.

Of course, there have been gang rapes committed by American Soldiers in Iraq.

Of course Sanity will minimize these instances because of the alleged numbers involved. I would suggest, however, that it is not numbers that matter in these incidents, but the very act in and of itself.

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JLF, this is why I don't like any "religions."
As for muslims they're like Holy Rollers times 10. I want nothing to do with them. Call me "islamophobic" if you like. I don't know where this type of *thinking* comes from that one has to "like" everyone. Who makes up that silly fucking horseshit???
As for Bosnia and Kosovo, when are we (The U.S.) going to start minding our own fucking business? Are the Taxpayers just out here to pay for "*perpetual war?"* Is that why we exist?
"Serbians", "Kosovo", "Albaniana", I couldn't care less, it's not my country.
It's not the job of the U.S. to be going around the world getting involved in the internal affairs of foreign countries then letting in "refugees" in from those countries to the U.S. and putting them on *public assistance* for generations.
They can use the terms "holocaust", "genocide", "ethnic cleansing", (where did they come up with that one?) or whatever they want to try to make the American People "feel sorry" for someone but it doesn't work anymore! Look at the outcry from people about Libya.
The American People are tired of this shit, foreign countries trying to turn "their" problems into our problems and making us *pay* for everything!
Those countries need to fight their own wars and have their own holocausts and stay away from the U.S.! I don't want to be their "friend!"
The people in Washington need to learn how to say "NO!" They're not there to solve the problems of foreign countries!

OMFG...This is irony of the first order...
You spend twenty years of your life as a government thug sticking your nose into places where it is none of your business and causing people no end of problems and now you post this.
I guess there is a god and that bitch has a really bizarre sense of humor