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mnottertail -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:47:18 AM)

I wonder where a guy could get a terrorist card deck.  One signed by OBL would be worth a few bucks now, eh?




sirsholly -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:54:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I wonder where a guy could get a terrorist card deck.  One signed by OBL would be worth a few bucks now, eh?

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I doubt he can sign 'em right now...he has a bit of a headache.




DeviantlyD -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:55:03 AM)


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The mods must be busy. The posts in this thread are droppin' like flies! :D
You all DO have a way of keeping us hopping.[8|]

In all seriousness, I had to do a massive clean-up here. I understand it is a volatile topic but please folks...lets keep it within the boundaries of the TOS.



Perhaps the penance for those violators should be a mandatory listen (or two) to Bing's Hawaiian Christmas tune. (Mele Kalikimaka)

:D




mnottertail -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:58:01 AM)

Oil drops on the news.

Prima Facie evidence of speculation in the market, not a supply and demand issue.




sirsholly -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:58:40 AM)

To the military and the families that support them...

[image]http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/thankusmile.gif[/image]




kalikshama -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 6:59:44 AM)


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To quote a better writer than I;
"I am glad that you are gone, that the arrow and abyss have claimed you, that you sully no more the places of men with your presence, nor walk in the sweet air. I wish you had never been born, and, failing that, that you had died sooner. Enough. It diminishes me to reflect so. Be dead, and trouble my thinking no more.""



Wow. Whose words?


Corwin of Amber said them in the novel "The Courts of Chaos", which was written by Roger Zelazny.

I thought I recognized that - was that a eulogy to Brand?




UncleNasty -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:02:05 AM)

The body is already gone? Burial at sea? How inconvenient was that? Well, Abbotobad is a wee bit more than 1000 miles from Karachi, the closest "sea" in the area. 

News stories are already reporting a level of doubt on this.

I'm a bit surprised I haven't seen more than a couple/few posts here along the same lines.

I'm even more surprised the choice was already made to destroy the evidence.




TheHeretic -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:03:02 AM)

Buried at sea. I do hope that happened from an airplane.




mnottertail -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:07:47 AM)

Dammit, I would love to have seen him dismembered burnt and scattered in pieces.

His body totally disrespected.




EternalHoH -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:17:45 AM)

Burial at sea is the one way to avoid creating any type of shrine around the body. No burial place for the nutters to go to worship. I'm sure the body went in the drink with added weight, and DNA was extracted before it went overboard.

Supposedly there are photos of the dead body.  Decision to release them or not is pending, and has ramifications.




entrigued -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:17:46 AM)



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This is not something to enjoy.

This was something that needed to be done to achieve justice and prevent further harm.

I'm sitting here watching idiots on the television celebrating like their team just won the Super Bowl.

How is this any different from what we called barbaric when the crowds in Fallujah were celebrating the dead American bodies hanging from the bridge?


If you were old enough to tie your shoes, you remember exactly where you were and what you were doing on that day. If you don't agree with the celebrations, you might try to UNDERSTAND the celebrations. I see so many young people out there. They couldn't have been older than 6 or 7 or so on 9/11.

I think those 'idiots' can keep right on waving their flags and holding their candles and hugging each other. I see candles, and I see flags and I see flowers. I see no effigies. I don't see anyone burning anything or firing any guns in the air. I see a whole lot of tears mixed in with the back slaps and high fives.

I think it's very different from the crowds in Fallujah, and I think that this allows some small form a closure or at least some small form of justice for all of those people whole lost loved ones either directly from the 9/11 attack, or following the attack and the resulting diseases that have plagued so many who were at Ground Zero. And it gives us all some Idon'tknowwhat. A reason and purpose for being there that had become perilously close to getting lost with the passage of so much time. And when you have loved ones deployed over there, what could be worse than thinking 'it's all for nothing?'

I am not 'enjoying' the death of one man half as much as I am enjoying how much BRIGHTER NYC looks today, and how proud I am of the Spec Ops guys who went in there and did this without the loss of a single American life, and without the loss of a single civilian life. How proud I am of the US military in general, and I see this very much as a HUGE victory for them.

So yeah, I will remember May 1 as a GREAT day, but I still will not forget 9/11.




Marc2b -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:25:16 AM)

I'm not normally one to find joy in another's demise... but there are exceptions to everything and this is one: Yah Baby!

[sm=alien.gif]




entrigued -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:26:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Buried at sea. I do hope that happened from an airplane.


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The body is already gone? Burial at sea? How inconvenient was that? Well, Abbotobad is a wee bit more than 1000 miles from Karachi, the closest "sea" in the area.

News stories are already reporting a level of doubt on this.

I'm a bit surprised I haven't seen more than a couple/few posts here along the same lines.

I'm even more surprised the choice was already made to destroy the evidence.



I'm pretty sure they would have taken not only photographs of the body, but DNA samples as well. No body means no matyr to parade around and fire up the masses.




rulemylife -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:34:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: entrigued

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This is not something to enjoy.

This was something that needed to be done to achieve justice and prevent further harm.

I'm sitting here watching idiots on the television celebrating like their team just won the Super Bowl.

How is this any different from what we called barbaric when the crowds in Fallujah were celebrating the dead American bodies hanging from the bridge?


If you were old enough to tie your shoes, you remember exactly where you were and what you were doing on that day. If you don't agree with the celebrations, you might try to UNDERSTAND the celebrations. I see so many young people out there. They couldn't have been older than 6 or 7 or so on 9/11.

I think those 'idiots' can keep right on waving their flags and holding their candles and hugging each other. I see candles, and I see flags and I see flowers. I see no effigies. I don't see anyone burning anything or firing any guns in the air. I see a whole lot of tears mixed in with the back slaps and high fives.

I think it's very different from the crowds in Fallujah, and I think that this allows some small form a closure or at least some small form of justice for all of those people whole lost loved ones either directly from the 9/11 attack, or following the attack and the resulting diseases that have plagued so many who were at Ground Zero. And it gives us all some Idon'tknowwhat. A reason and purpose for being there that had become perilously close to getting lost with the passage of so much time. And when you have loved ones deployed over there, what could be worse than thinking 'it's all for nothing?'

I am not 'enjoying' the death of one man half as much as I am enjoying how much BRIGHTER NYC looks today, and how proud I am of the Spec Ops guys who went in there and did this without the loss of a single American life, and without the loss of a single civilian life. How proud I am of the US military in general, and I see this very much as a HUGE victory for them.

So yeah, I will remember May 1 as a GREAT day, but I still will not forget 9/11.



Yes, it is a victory for us all.

That doesn't mean we need to act like classless idiots about it.

Now I know what is meant when I hear people talk of the dumbing down of America.








maybemaybenot -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:46:05 AM)

Just an interesting footnote:

On May 1, 1945 Germany announced Hitler was dead. The two most evil men of recent times, perhaps all time, share that date.


mbmbn




Hillwilliam -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:47:09 AM)

To those who are pissed off that he was buried at sea. I suggest you look up the following

Giant Isopods

Hagfish

Rattail chimeras.

That is what is feeding on the body as we speak.




entrigued -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:52:21 AM)

hagfidsh?......so much for the 72 nubile virgins!




gungadin09 -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:52:32 AM)

i'm not sure if Osama Bin Laden qualifies as one of the two most evil men in history, although he's up there.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

pam




Kana -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:53:45 AM)

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To quote a better writer than I;
"I am glad that you are gone, that the arrow and abyss have claimed you, that you sully no more the places of men with your presence, nor walk in the sweet air. I wish you had never been born, and, failing that, that you had died sooner. Enough. It diminishes me to reflect so. Be dead, and trouble my thinking no more.""



Wow. Whose words?


Corwin of Amber said them in the novel "The Courts of Chaos", which was written by Roger Zelazny.

I thought I recognized that - was that a eulogy to Brand?



Si. Right before he deals his family out like a deck of cards. I had to dig up the book to get the quote last night, ended up re-reading the last page-one of the great endings in that, or any other genre.




UncleNasty -> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD (5/2/2011 7:55:07 AM)

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I'm pretty sure they would have taken not only photographs of the body, but DNA samples as well. No body means no matyr to parade around and fire up the masses.
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At law there is the "best evidence rule." A link to a generic wiki cite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_evidence_rule

The best evidence of a body IS THE BODY. Reliance on anything other than the body (extrinsic evidence such as DNA) does not comport with the best evidence rule. In these circumstances I would think ABSOLUTE PROOF, and thus unimpeachable and incontrovertible certainty, would have been both the best, and the preferred, option.

So they are alleging there has been DNA testing/comparison? Where/when/why/how was the "control" DNA sample obtained? Who obtained it? Where has it been kept? By whom? For how long? Under what conditions? Who had access to that/those control samples?

This doesn't involve conspiracy theories, or thinking. It is merely applying the law, and the rules of evidence. It is what happens in courtrooms all across the country every week day (and I expect on some weekends too, as there must be a few jurisdictions that have court proceedings on weekends).

If the purpose and intent of a burial at sea was to deny a shrine, that could have accomplished just as well by maintaining possession of the body long enough that the body could have been produced for verification in a more thorough and public way, and disposed of afterwards.

From a purely evidentiary standpoint the behavior of disposal in advance of any more serious and public "vetting" doesn't cut the muster. What we're left with is "Oh, you can trust us. We DID have the body." That kind of argument gets tossed out of courts regularly.




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