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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
I follow the news. Don't tell me that the best of the best and bravest and most highly trained specialized troops America has to offer isn't capable of arresting somebody who is resisting... especially not when they have an almost unlimited budget at their disposal.

Now, have YOU actually read anything from my posts?

I wasn't offering any hindsight, nor did I say I could have done better, nor was I arguing he didn't deserve to die.

I was asking about American's reaction to what happened, in fact, about exactly the type of reaction you are having...

I was asking about the fact that American view and portray themselves and their morals and their ideals and their ethics as one way, but that in the end, they have the populations cheering because -not despite- not living up to those portrays.

I was asking about why American seem glad that they have shown the world that hatred will be met with hatred, instead of with the ideals of justice, morality and rationality that they claim to stand for.

Because that's the message America has send: We will respond in hatred to those who hate us...

Which is fine for me even, I don't have a problem at all with that responds, but it makes me question why -if that's the way Americans feel- the portray of the American idea on morality in these kind of issues is the absolute opposite of how the American populous actually choses to react...

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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And let's talk about this fantasical trial so many people are now whining should have happened. Who would represent him? Any lawyer from his home country would need to be licensed to practice law in the United States, or get special permission from the Federal Courts along with having a US law firm admitted to argue in Federal Court (and no, not all attorneys are) agreeing to "oversee" this foreign lawyer. What law firm would voluntarily do that and forever have the reputation as representing the foremost terrorist in history? Whine and cry and bitch about "justice" being served properly all you want, but the practice of law is also a business, and these people need to feed their families. Their practices would go bankrupt if they took on the task.

John adams, the second president of the u.s., was the defense atourney for the officers and men of the british army who perpetrated the boston masacre.
He got them off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist...or rather a brand on the thumb for one enlisted man.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

bin Laden was given a chance to surrender

maybe

, and chose to hide behind a woman,

no, he didnt, one of the many changes in the narrative

and resist capture.

with what? a chewing gum missile?

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Thanks for understanding the thrust of my posts here, it seems you are the only one

MSOG

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The Navy Seals are not Law Enforcement agents, they have no powers to arrest anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr

I was asking about the fact that American view and portray themselves and their morals and their ideals and their ethics as one way, but that in the end, they have the populations cheering because -not despite- not living up to those portrays.

I was asking about why American seem glad that they have shown the world that hatred will be met with hatred, instead of with the ideals of justice, morality and rationality that they claim to stand for.

Because that's the message America has send: We will respond in hatred to those who hate us...

Which is fine for me even, I don't have a problem at all with that responds, but it makes me question why -if that's the way Americans feel- the portray of the American idea on morality in these kind of issues is the absolute opposite of how the American populous actually choses to react...

Ishtar

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Thanks for understanding the thrust of my posts here, it seems you are the only one

MSOG

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Oh yes please, let's bring him in for trial. Let's make a larger martyr of him to the Islamics who wish us ill. Let's creat a larger than life "innocent" being persecuted by the Big Bad Americans.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

They have the power of apprehension and detention.  You make a disctinction without a difference.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Exactly.  They have had it since prior to the constitution.  The posse comitatus act notwithstanding, regarding foreign combatants.

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I've been reading the Osama topics going on, and I'm struck by how many Americans are celebrating Osama being shot without trial.
In particular, I'm amazed at how, whenever somebody questions the legality, the fairness, the morality of the assassination, the overwhelming reply is: "he did it first!"

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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I've been reading the Osama topics going on, and I'm struck by how many Americans are celebrating Osama being shot without trial.
In particular, I'm amazed at how, whenever somebody questions the legality, the fairness, the morality of the assassination, the overwhelming reply is: "he did it first!"

I'm struck by how many people seem to think it's only Americans who are celebrating.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Thanks for understanding the thrust of my posts here, it seems you are the only one

MSOG

Nah, she drops me like last nights newspaper, every fucking time.

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As for a trial, OBL had released video tapes taking credit for planning and ordering the attacks on American Embassies, the USS Cole, a military camp in Saudi Arabia, and the attacks on 9/11/01. It would be kinda hard to plea not guilty.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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I've been reading the Osama topics going on, and I'm struck by how many Americans are celebrating Osama being shot without trial.
In particular, I'm amazed at how, whenever somebody questions the legality, the fairness, the morality of the assassination, the overwhelming reply is: "he did it first!"

I'm struck by how many people seem to think it's only Americans who are celebrating.