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mnottertail -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:14:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Now, I don't about Colin Powell, Obama or anyone else but I've only got ONE authentic birth certificate! I do, as well. The difference between Obama and myself is that I can produce mine in two minutes - not two years. That is lying asswipe, neither of you have produced long form certified copies of your birth certificates since you have been on this site, I call bullshit on your neo-con asswipe.

Sanity -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:17:39 AM)
The media treats him like he is a special olympian, he "only"takes years to produce his birth certificate and the "accomplishment" is heralded as the greatest thing since the first moon landing quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Now, I don't about Colin Powell, Obama or anyone else but I've only got ONE authentic birth certificate! I do, as well. The difference between Obama and myself is that I can produce mine in two minutes - not two years.

farglebargle -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:26:59 AM)
quote: The only reason you go ballistic when I reframe the debate is that I put so much of the leftist hypocrisy on full display when I do that... "Ballistic?" You used that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Thank you for your clear and admission that you are engaging in this morally dubious, bad-faith tactic. And please refrain from trying to figure out my motivation as you will more often be, as you are now, wrong. For the record, I point out and denounce your admitted attempts to reframe the debate because it is intellectually dishonest, and can not be tolerated when adults are discussing important matters. AND now that this is cleared up, again, for EVERYONES CONVENIENCE, please don't bother using this tactic to shit all over threads going forward... Thanks a million!

NewOCDaddy -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:29:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: The only reason you go ballistic when I reframe the debate is that I put so much of the leftist hypocrisy on full display when I do that... "Ballistic?" You used that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Thank you for your clear and admission that you are engaging in this morally dubious, bad-faith tactic. And please refrain from trying to figure out my motivation as you will more often be, as you are now, wrong. For the record, I point out and denounce your admitted attempts to reframe the debate because it is intellectually dishonest, and can not be tolerated when adults are discussing important matters. Denounce whatever you want. You move the goalposts more often than Georgia Frontiere did.

SilverMark -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:30:20 AM)
Ahhhh...the birth certificate...what a waste of a lot of HOT AIR. Those who want to claim him as not being an American, PROVE IT....How many times will you waste your time and energy? Look at what the idiot birthers have done so far to try, and then look at their results. NADA...NOTHING...ZILCH...No one believes that he wasn't born here but you and a bunch of other conspiracy theorist goofs like Pa, and he believes anything that is outlandish, over the top and most importantly NOT TRUE!

Sanity -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:33:04 AM)
Sorry farglebargle, its not dishonest in any way to reframe the debate (rhetorically or otherwise) especially if I dont agree with the premise. All is fair in love and war as they say.

Real0ne -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:45:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Ahhhh...the birth certificate...what a waste of a lot of HOT AIR. Those who want to claim him as not being an American, PROVE IT....How many times will you waste your time and energy? Look at what the idiot birthers have done so far to try, and then look at their results. NADA...NOTHING...ZILCH...No one believes that he wasn't born here but you and a bunch of other conspiracy theorist goofs like Pa, and he believes anything that is outlandish, over the top and most importantly NOT TRUE! another shit house lawyer. burden of proof is on him to prove he is BEFORE HE GETS THE JOB DUH The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ~ Winston Churchill

SilverMark -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 10:46:41 AM)
He has proven it to the satisfaction of the law idiot boy, but thanks for playing along.

farglebargle -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:12:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: The only reason you go ballistic when I reframe the debate is that I put so much of the leftist hypocrisy on full display when I do that... "Ballistic?" You used that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Thank you for your clear and admission that you are engaging in this morally dubious, bad-faith tactic. And please refrain from trying to figure out my motivation as you will more often be, as you are now, wrong. For the record, I point out and denounce your admitted attempts to reframe the debate because it is intellectually dishonest, and can not be tolerated when adults are discussing important matters. Denounce whatever you want. You move the goalposts more often than Georgia Frontiere did. Goalposts? Sorry guy, while we can learn a lot from the game, we're not discussing football now, and haven't been for any part of this thread. Even in the metaphorical sense, I haven't "moved any goalposts". The only 'goalposts' I may have been said to setup in this thread would be in preferring peer-reviewed sources. I certainly have not modified that position. And for the record, you responded to the request for objective research with an ad hominem attack directed against me. Once again, since we all are now clearly aware of your bad-faith tactics, for EVERYONES CONVENIENCE, please stop shitting all over threads with them.

DomKen -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:15:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The only reason you go ballistic when I reframe the debate is that I put so much of the leftist hypocrisy on full display when I do that... [:D] You can try and call it 'reframing' but it is actually the logical fallacy of strawman. You're demanding that he defend a position he does not hold. It is dishonest when intentionally used.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:20:27 AM)
So can anyone explain to me why Everyone is questioning the origin of where Obama was born, but no one questioned the origin of where the white man McCain was born?

farglebargle -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:21:14 AM)
"Reframing" is the new hipster word for it, and I'm the one who introduced it. I find deconstructing the construction of the Straw-man to be a useful illustration. Like explaining a magic trick. "And right here is where he switched contexts...."

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:27:17 AM)
quote: So can anyone explain to me why Everyone is questioning the origin of where Obama was born, but no one questioned the origin of where the white man McCain was born? They did... I do believe there was even a congressional inquiry that determined McCain was considered eligible to be President.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:35:28 AM)
And then they dropped it and didnt yammer on and on and on.....

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:36:56 AM)
Oh on that I agree. The same Congress who declared Hawaii the birth place of Obama years ago... and they are still yammering on and on and on....

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:47:22 AM)
I mean what Im seeing is thinly disguised racism.

SilverMark -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:52:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 I mean what Im seeing is thinly disguised racism. Shhhhh, you're not supposed to mention that! We can't call the birthers and Tea Party people racists. We all know that their disrespect for Obama would have anything to do with the color of his skin or his unusual name! Right?

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:54:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 I mean what Im seeing is thinly disguised racism. Its not disguised in any fashion.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 11:56:35 AM)
These are the same people that call the Holcaust a hoax and are anti Israel.

rulemylife -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/7/2011 12:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The media treats him like he is a special olympian, he "only"takes years to produce his birth certificate and the "accomplishment" is heralded as the greatest thing since the first moon landing quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Now, I don't about Colin Powell, Obama or anyone else but I've only got ONE authentic birth certificate! I do, as well. The difference between Obama and myself is that I can produce mine in two minutes - not two years. And it still didn't get any of you to shut up about something that never should have been an issue in the first place.

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