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Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/7/2011 10:30:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lickenforyou quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne really? lets see your source on that. no kids were raped. the invite to look around was up to one day prior to the massacre. government agents came and left as they pleased as long as they called him and made arrangements first. when they came in shooting then they shot back. you justify the burning alive of 100 women and children to fix rumors none of which were true. that is twisted sick shit by any sane persons definition. Here's a New York Times story about Koresh having sex with girls as young as 11, which is RAPE!!! http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/us/growing-up-under-koresh-cult-children-tell-of-abuses.html What proof do you have that the ATF went in shooting first? NONE, except in that twisted, diseased, paranoid, the Gov't is out to get me, brain of yours. I posted the fucking flir vids, you can see them throw in grenades and shoot into the place. its all on film for fuck sake. you can wipe your ass with that NYT piece. If it does not fly in court it does not fly with me. and even the biggest tard out here knows it wont fly in court. you people take shit off the news as if its true and condemn 55 cards short of a full deck.

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/7/2011 10:34:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh. shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months. just like 911.

lickenforyou -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/7/2011 10:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh. shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months. just like 911. I know that the ATF made mistakes. BUT, we ilve in a nation of laws. When a legal document is served on you. you comply. Then, you fight it out in court. You don't hunker down with your children and fight a gun battle.

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/7/2011 11:29:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lickenforyou quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh. shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months. just like 911. I know that the ATF made mistakes. BUT, we ilve in a nation of laws. When a legal document is served on you. you comply. Then, you fight it out in court. You don't hunker down with your children and fight a gun battle. mistakes? slaughter 100 men woman and little children and you call it a fucking mistake. you are a fucking psychopath pal. there was no probable cause to go in that is why bush didnt. clinton on the other hand had a few people he needed out of his hair and authorized the OPERATION to move forward. THE OPERATION THAT WAS PLANNED MONTHS IN ADVANCE! you label tyranny law. those kids in your mind deserved to die a brutal death for no crime committed. not even by the adults. your think resisting arrest is a fucking shootem up and burnem offense. you justify murder without law. none of those kids had the protection of law nor did the adults. Only a fucking twisted psychopath could even go there. YOu must work for the government.

Jeffff -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/7/2011 11:59:17 PM)
Yawn....

lickenforyou -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 12:46:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: lickenforyou quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh. shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months. just like 911. I know that the ATF made mistakes. BUT, we ilve in a nation of laws. When a legal document is served on you. you comply. Then, you fight it out in court. You don't hunker down with your children and fight a gun battle. mistakes? slaughter 100 men woman and little children and you call it a fucking mistake. you are a fucking psychopath pal. there was no probable cause to go in that is why bush didnt. clinton on the other hand had a few people he needed out of his hair and authorized the OPERATION to move forward. THE OPERATION THAT WAS PLANNED MONTHS IN ADVANCE! you label tyranny law. those kids in your mind deserved to die a brutal death for no crime committed. not even by the adults. your think resisting arrest is a fucking shootem up and burnem offense. you justify murder without law. none of those kids had the protection of law nor did the adults. Only a fucking twisted psychopath could even go there. YOu must work for the government. You have to get to court to have protection under the law. But I like that you got 9/11 in there you beautiful crazy bastard. Seriously, get some help, they have medication now.

Rule -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 3:33:19 AM)
FR It is interesting that lickenforyou and RO are both subs, but that lickenforyou does not perceive the truth, whereas RO does. I wonder why that is. Does it perchance correlate to lickenforyou being a narcissist and RO - at least in my perception so far - not being a narcissist?

rulemylife -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 3:56:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I accept your concession. You can't accept what wasn't offered. But you are really a cute little fuzzball. thats called concession by tacit admission or acquiescence. go to court one time and you will figure it out real quick. I have a short attention span and I know you must have answered this for me before, but what law school did you attend? By the way, in case you ever need my services, I'm a self-educated brain surgeon. I learned it all online.

DomKen -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 5:36:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. They did treat them as hostages. That is why the assault on the compound was made using tear gas and not live ammo. Koresh and his loyalists killed the children by setting the fires.

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 6:28:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I have a short attention span We noticed LOL

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 6:42:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing." No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages. They did treat them as hostages. That is why the assault on the compound was made using tear gas and not live ammo. Koresh and his loyalists killed the children by setting the fires. another media educated false statement. thats why the PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT of the compound HAD HOLES IN THEM caused by lead that was flying through the air at a very high speed. thanks ken! Glad to see you still support mass murder and fraud. prop guns and blanks do not kick. That means when you fire a REAL weapon with REAL BOWWETS there is a recoil, and recoil means that the force of the acceleration of the bowwet leaving the barrel causes an opposite reaction and the gun will tip momentarily up and to the back. You can clearly see the recoil by watching the movements of the guns in their hands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KdZgk9d6WU you are a true patriot! any other disinfo you would like to share with us?

DomKen -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 6:51:35 AM)
RO you're lying. The Davidians themselves admit that the shooting was from their own side. Everyone killed during the final asault was killed by the Davidians. Go read the court testimony of the Davidians.

MrRodgers -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 7:01:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: WASHINGTON – The government's hunt for Osama bin Laden has left the country questioning whether the tactics used to interrogate suspected terrorists were successful and lawful. With his death, both sides of the debate have regrouped along familiar lines, claiming they were right all along. But America's greatest counterterrorism success does not represent a victory for either camp. Rather, it paints a clearer picture of the CIA's interrogation and detention program, revealing where it was successful and where its successes have been overstated. Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics This brings up an interesting point. The US will scream bloody murder if there is even a suspicion of American prisoners being tortured, but it is perfectly okay for America to torture prisoners. well the american guv had no problems screaming about tinneman square while at the same time they burned a 100 men women and children alive at waco. and spare me the bullshit story you like to tell about them torching themselves because we have the flir photos and we seen the guv torch the place fire upon them and then turn right around and lie about it like they do with everything. How is it you come to the conclusion the US govt. agents burned a 100 men, women and children at WACO ? Yes, we cannot believe anything our govt. tells us and we seem altogether ok with it. But I am not ready to condemn them for WACO because there was no power or profit to be gained...only more vitriol. They didn't 'torch themselves' as the fires I do believe were set by Koresh. I mean the whole thing was filmed and plainly...I didn't see what you did. As for the OP, the CIA will advertise (propagandize) how they were vitally important in getting Obama, never mind they had 10 years.

Rule -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 7:14:48 AM)
Most of the Waco group were purposely exterminated by 'government forces', DK. The ironic fact is that those victims probably had no idea why they were targetted for extermination. Presumably one of them knew something that was of such crucial importance that it could not be allowed to be made public and that therefore the decision was made to use government forces, including Timmy as a stool pigeon, to exterminate as many of them as they possibly could in order to reduce the chance of the information escaping to the broad public to near zero. Doubtlessly any survivors were ruthlessly interrogated in order to determine whether any of them carried the information - and if so quietly disposed off. Edited to add: David Carradine on the other hand, being a single individual, was easily and quietely disposed off in his hotel room without all the drama. I wonder what he had learned that necessitated him being murdered.

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 10:03:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen RO you're lying. The Davidians themselves admit that the shooting was from their own side. Everyone killed during the final asault was killed by the Davidians. Go read the court testimony of the Davidians. yeh after they were shot at. koresh opened the door unarmed and was shot through the front door.

Real0ne -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 10:05:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Most of the Waco group were purposely exterminated by 'government forces', DK. The ironic fact is that those victims probably had no idea why they were targetted for extermination. Presumably one of them knew something that was of such crucial importance that it could not be allowed to be made public and that therefore the decision was made to use government forces, including Timmy as a stool pigeon, to exterminate as many of them as they possibly could in order to reduce the chance of the information escaping to the broad public to near zero. Doubtlessly any survivors were ruthlessly interrogated in order to determine whether any of them carried the information - and if so quietly disposed off. Edited to add: David Carradine on the other hand, being a single individual, was easily and quietely disposed off in his hotel room without all the drama. I wonder what he had learned that necessitated him being murdered. they use this shit to cover up a hit. a few of clinton cronies that butthead wanted gone were wasted and blamed on to the davidians.

Rule -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 10:23:35 AM)
If I got the history according to this thread correctly, the cause of the Waco extermination preceded Clinton's reign. So his to be eliminated cronies - through 'friendly' fire? Do you have names? - did not have anything to do with that cause. Just like the federal officers lured to the Murrah slaughter-place, the death of these cronies must have been the icing on the pie, but they did not were the pie itself.

DomKen -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 11:43:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen RO you're lying. The Davidians themselves admit that the shooting was from their own side. Everyone killed during the final asault was killed by the Davidians. Go read the court testimony of the Davidians. yeh after they were shot at. koresh opened the door unarmed and was shot through the front door. Koresh's top aide killed Koresh and then killed himself after setting the fire. Koresh's body was nowhere near the front door. If you're going to make shit up at least make up shit not refuted by the very same infrared video's you were touting up thread.

lickenforyou -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 12:59:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Most of the Waco group were purposely exterminated by 'government forces', DK. The ironic fact is that those victims probably had no idea why they were targetted for extermination. Presumably one of them knew something that was of such crucial importance that it could not be allowed to be made public and that therefore the decision was made to use government forces, including Timmy as a stool pigeon, to exterminate as many of them as they possibly could in order to reduce the chance of the information escaping to the broad public to near zero. Doubtlessly any survivors were ruthlessly interrogated in order to determine whether any of them carried the information - and if so quietly disposed off. Edited to add: David Carradine on the other hand, being a single individual, was easily and quietely disposed off in his hotel room without all the drama. I wonder what he had learned that necessitated him being murdered. Yeah, and there's a homeless man at the end of my block who is really CIA.

outhere69 -> RE: Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics (5/8/2011 2:24:00 PM)
Jesus Christ, you guys. What does any of this have to do with the OP?

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