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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:15:58 PM

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:19:41 PM

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:22:26 PM

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He wasn't a terrorist and didn't have a hand in killing innocent humans?

He was a USA tool. He was a stool pigeon employed to attract and manage religious Islamic nuts. I have no knowledge that he ever personally murdered anybody. I am rather convinced that he had no hand in any of the heinous acts he has been accused off. I am certain that he was not responsible for 911. If he profiled himself as a terrorist, it was at the orders of his USA bosses.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:26:15 PM

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So take it to its conclusion. Who was responsible for 9/11. Embassy in kenya? Yemen? Madrid?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:28:40 PM

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Now back to reallity http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/reid.pdf
This is a pretty good piece on Terrorists classification as combatants as opposed to criminals. It was a paper presented to the War College by a U.S. Major.
Might be helpful in better understanding the military point of view on such actions as the killing of OBL.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:30:53 PM

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And Plymouth in the south west and according to some, one of the worst bombed cities of WW2, still finding unexploded bombs now, they detonated a 2000lb bomb recently that had been found uder a house.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:38:18 PM

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Isn't the gist of that just "we're at war on terror, so terrorists can be treated as enemy combatants if that makes them fair game, but the Geneva convention still doesn't apply to them" though? It's a bit pick and choosey...

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:43:18 PM

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And Plymouth in the south west and according to some, one of the worst bombed cities of WW2, still finding unexploded bombs now, they detonated a 2000lb bomb recently that had been found uder a house.

Mea culpa. I was thinking more of the industry bombing: they kicked the living hell out of the naval ports as well, true enough.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:47:25 PM

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I am not arguing that it was wrong for the administration order he Seal team to shoot and kill OBL on sigh, but it is hypocritical for leftists to say we cant waterboard terrorists (which waterboarding is non lethal), or we may not subject them to harsh interrogation of any kind... but we can put a bullet in their heads without so much as a trial.

Especially since harsh interrogation (waterboarding) is claimed to have lead us to Osama, the culmination of that is arguably the one significant accomplishment of Obamas first term.

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So they got him, a bullet in the brain,many are questioning to order given to the seals..I believe they were order to kill obl..what say all of you.I am retired miltary a sf major and every time one raise their hands to surrender or un armed we took them alive,,Bounty

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:54:21 PM

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What they used to do here in the war, was run wagons full of oil soaked burning jute around the city, so the smoke would merge with the sea fog and hide the targets. But the Gerries just used the rivers, the Tamar and Cattewater as outside markers and dropped bombs in between those rivers, so the dockyards largely survived, it was the city that got the brunt of the blitz. Where I am sitting now on this computer, only fifty yards from me is a big WW2 fuel dump that stored enough fuel to keep the UK armed forces supplied for two days if need be, it was hit several times and beyond that a road laid by the Americans so the tanks and armoured vehicles could line up waiting for the D day landings. This place is rich in military history, with a Napoleanic fortress three minutes walk from here. We have even got a Yank here, a Normandy veteran who stayed after the war, he is fascinating to talk to down the pub, and given his age, he still has all his marbles

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:56:50 PM

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I am not arguing that it was wrong for the administration order he Seal team to shoot and kill OBL on sigh, but it is hypocritical for leftists to say we cant waterboard terrorists (which waterboarding is non lethal), or we may not subject them to harsh interrogation of any kind... but we can put a bullet in their heads without so much as a trial.

Especially since harsh interrogation (waterboarding) is claimed to have lead us to Osama, the culmination of that is arguably the one significant accomplishment of Obamas first term.

Who claims that Sanity?

Oh, I remember. It is Republican ideologues.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 2:57:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I am not arguing that it was wrong for the administration order he Seal team to shoot and kill OBL on sigh, but it is hypocritical for leftists to say we cant waterboard terrorists (which waterboarding is non lethal), or we may not subject them to harsh interrogation of any kind... but we can put a bullet in their heads without so much as a trial.

Especially since harsh interrogation (waterboarding) is claimed to have lead us to Osama, the culmination of that is arguably the one significant accomplishment of Obamas first term.

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So they got him, a bullet in the brain,many are questioning to order given to the seals..I believe they were order to kill obl..what say all of you.I am retired miltary a sf major and every time one raise their hands to surrender or un armed we took them alive,,Bounty

Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't waterboarding a form of torture ?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:01:51 PM

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No, it isn't. Apparently Sorebutt McCain said so, and added that nothing the vietnamese ever did to him is anything other than enhanced interrogation.
Pathetic, isn't it?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:14:37 PM

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..............Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't waterboarding a form of torture ?

Yes and I'm ashamed that ANYONE in ANY US administration could possibly consider it OK.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:19:21 PM

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So take it to its conclusion. Who was responsible for 9/11.

The contemporary president.

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So take it to its conclusion. Who was responsible for ... Embassy in kenya?

USA black ops pulled the strings. In fact I seem to recall to have concluded that one or more of the perps who did the actual bombing worked for some kind of (foreign) secret service.

I recall that about that time there was another embassy bombed too. The same USA black ops people pulled the strings of those bombers.

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So take it to its conclusion. Who was responsible for ... Yemen?

Was that the Cole? Some Islamic nuts did it, but USA black ops pulled their strings.

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So take it to its conclusion. Who was responsible for ... Madrid?

I do not know much about that. I assume that some European secret service, most likely of course that of Spain, pulled the strings of the Islamic nuts who performed those heinous train bombings.

Such a major event as 911 does not crystallize out of thin air. There is a long road that has to be gone in preparation in order for the gullible people to swallow the magician's act. 911 was planned before the twin towers were built, so thirty or forty years before 911 happened. At that time the planners may not even have known what and when the target was going to be. That was decided upon only at the very last. Al Qaeda was set up shortly afterwards, if I recall correctly. Even after 911 the contemporary president was confused about what the initial target was going to be: he thought that it had to serve as a pretext to attack Iraq, just as his father had attacked Iraq before him. When he blundered in that way, someone nearly immediately pulled him aside and whispered into his ear that it wasn't Iraq, but Afghanistan instead.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:25:55 PM

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Ok, now can you back that up with any proof at all?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:31:15 PM

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No, it isn't. Apparently Sorebutt McCain said so, and added that nothing the vietnamese ever did to him is anything other than enhanced interrogation.
Pathetic, isn't it?

fuck mcsame

I say it IS torture.

who the fuck is he to tell us what it is. he has a right to his opinion and that is as far as it goes.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:35:01 PM

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Sure. It is validated by the signatures of presidents Lincoln and Roosenfelt and by three judges. I buried it under a stone on Greenland. When you buy a piece of real estate that I want to cash in on - the Eifel tower in Paris; real cheap, I will make a loss on it - I will tell you which stone it is.

Alternatively, you might go to a pharmacist, buy a tiny dose of paranoia and do your own research.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:35:28 PM

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He's got a seat in the house, old boy. Under your constitution, that means he gets to define reality, at least so long as it suits his party.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:38:24 PM

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..............Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't waterboarding a form of torture ?

Yes and I'm ashamed that ANYONE in ANY US administration could possibly consider it OK.

America is openly going down some very dark paths, what with torture(Abu Ghraib and GITMO) and other things that happened at Abu Ghraib, imprisonment without any hope of trial (GTMO) and now this, invading other countries to assassinate people. What's more after news of his death reached the population's ears, partying and dancing in the street with placards bearing insults, tell me how is that different from those images we all saw of people from arab countries doing similar after they heard about the twin towers ?

What's next I wonder, what will America openly do that brings it down to the very same level or even below those it condemns, for it is making a very good effort so far.

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