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Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It!


Let Everyone stay, enforce immigration laws going forward.
  4% (3)
Pass The Dream Act, they can petition for siblings like everyone else
  6% (4)
Pay for any services used, no crime hx, stay.
  6% (4)
Let anyone here for 5+ years, who passes basic English test stay.
  8% (5)
For a fee, everyone >2 yrs in the US, W/out, Crime record, stays.
  9% (6)
Send anyone here illegally back, to wherever they came from.
  39% (24)
Send anyone without basic English skills, <70yo back.
  6% (4)
If they can speak basic English, pay a modest fee, stay.
  3% (2)
Pay what they've collected from welfare, while illegal, stay.
  3% (2)
Fine employers of Illegals, Use money to deport illegals
  11% (7)


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:15:39 AM   
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They harm it can cause someone once they go to sign up for their own benefits, for credit, for Medicare... and its discovered they were working two other jobs.... it takes quite some time to straighten out and causes an undue hardship on the rightful owner of that id.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:25:00 AM   
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stats on illegals getting welfare or other benefits


Stats? Nope. Neither side of this issue can agree on numbers. But, I do know that illegals can get SSI. PRUCOL allows this. There was also, recently, a DMV employee who was caught selling DL's to illegals for 1500 to 3000 a pop.

http://www.mynews3.com/story.php?id=42530&n=5035

And guess what you need to get a SS card or other benefits from the government? An ID.



I dont believe a Mexican illegal immigrant can get a CA drivers license without having a SSN & showing proof of legal presence (US resident card/visa). And i somehow doubt that an illegal can get a SSN, you have to show a birth certificate and prove you have a visa to be in the US to get that. I dont know about other states but I would guess most or all are along the same lines.

So 200 DLs were sold by this person, 200 out of how many illegals in the US??? If it were easy for illegals to walk into a DMV and get a DL, they wouldnt be paying 3k to buy one.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:32:29 AM   
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I personally think having a baby born as a US citizen is a detriment. Once that child starts earning income, no matter where in the world he/she lives, he/she will be legally required to file a US tax return every year and if the income is over a certain amount, then pay whatever US tax is owed. To me, that is a major disadvantage of US citizenship. The IRS has, from what I have read, started checking to see if US citizens (when they enter the US) have filed US tax returns.

Now that may not matter to many, but it would matter to me.


Many rich from other countries have babies here under such "packages", which our government has said is perfectly legal, to allow an easier access to education and employment in the US.


Yes, its legal and if someone wants to do that then its up to them, unless of course the laws are changed. Like I said, what I see as a major detriment may not matter to others.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:37:30 AM   
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So you see no problem with US Citizenship being up for sale.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:39:25 AM   
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the fund is held by the SSA and is called the "Earnings Suspense File" (ESF) and according to one report it continues to accrue money at roughly $6 billion a year, with the total as of 2005 sitting at $519 billion. Thats a lot of money the govt will never have to pay out to the workers that paid into it.

It sounds like a lot of money, tj, but it really isn't when you compare it to the costs of education, health care, and incarceration of illegal immigrants. I've seen estimates that the state of California alone pays 10.5 billion per year between those 3 things. Even if those estimates are off by 50%, that is still over $5 billion for one state.

Worse, the taxes are collected by the federal gov't, but the services are largely paid for by the individual states.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:40:06 AM   
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I didn't see "Let anyone who passes a basic Cherokee language test stay" as an option? maybe it was a minor over site?

There are approximately 296 American languages, English is not one of them. I'm pretty sure that English is from England ;)

In this debate let us not forget that every inch of this country is stolen land, occupied by "illegal" European immigrants.

Another good thing to remember: Those coming north from Mexico are coming back to Northern Mexico, which was brutally stolen from Mexico by the ever expanding United States. Just checking the history books.

No human being is illegal.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:43:44 AM   
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July 27, 2010 (Washington, DC) – The “Earnings Suspense File” (ESF), used by the Social Security Administration (SSA) to track names and Social Security numbers that do not match government records, has tripled over the past decade. The chief cause of growth in the file is unauthorized work by non-citizens, according to SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O’Carroll.

Under an immigration amnesty plan, millions of today’s illegal workers would be eligible for hundreds of billions in Social Security dollars, as evidenced by the dramatic growth of the Earnings Suspense File.

The new data were obtained through an information request by The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), and represent the first time updated information about the ESF has been publicly released and analyzed since TSCL’s original report in 2007. The analysis reveals that:

From 2000-2007 (the most recent years for which data is available), the file grew by an average of $67 billion per year in “uncredited wages,” represented by 9.8 million wage reports per year. That is more than three times faster than the $18.9 billion and 5.2 million wage reports the file grew each year during the 1990s.
In just the three years since TSCL’s last report in 2007, the Earnings Suspense File has jumped 43 percent, from $585 billion to $835 billion.
From 1937-1999 (a 63-year period), the ESF accumulated a total of $301.8 billion; from 2000-2007, it grew to $835 billion. When data from 2008 and 2009 becomes available, TSCL projects that the file will have tripled over just the past decade.
Under current law, a non-citizen who obtains authorization to work in the United States at some later date may become eligible for Social Security benefits – even for work performed in the country illegally using a stolen Social Security number. Upon receiving a valid Social Security number, unauthorized earnings can be reinstated into the worker’s new, valid Social Security account – without penalty, and at taxpayer expense.

“Our more than one million supporters are crystal clear on one thing – they don’t want one penny of their Social Security checks now, or in the future, to be taken away by the government and given to today’s illegal workers as a reward for illegal work,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of TSCL. “This is not about immigration reform. This is about protecting Social Security’s dwindling funds for American citizens.”

It is important to note that the ESF tracks wages, and does not represent the amount the government would have to pay out in future benefits. Rather, a percentage of the $835 billion in wages currently in the file would have to be paid out in Social Security benefits as eligible beneficiaries come forward. Also, there is no money in the file; when an eligible beneficiary makes a claim, the money to payout benefits must come from another source.

“Supporters of immigration reform often claim that since many illegal workers paid into Social Security, they should be able to receive benefits. But what they don’t tell you is that they many workers will receive more in benefits than they put in, and the difference will be subsidized by American taxpayers,” said Shannon Benton, TSCL executive director.

http://www.seniorsleague.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3518&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=49

Interesting

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:48:23 AM   
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So you see no problem with US Citizenship being up for sale.


lol The govt does it all the time. That is what many visas are, the most expensive one is the EB-5 Investor visa and the govt makes 10,000 of those available per year.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:52:24 AM   
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I didn't see "Let anyone who passes a basic Cherokee language test stay" as an option? maybe it was a minor over site?

There are approximately 296 American languages, English is not one of them. I'm pretty sure that English is from England ;)

In this debate let us not forget that every inch of this country is stolen land, occupied by "illegal" European immigrants.

Another good thing to remember: Those coming north from Mexico are coming back to Northern Mexico, which was brutally stolen from Mexico by the ever expanding United States. Just checking the history books.

No human being is illegal.




Whoa. Not "every inch of land is stolen". The native tribes thought it was funny to sell some of the land for beads or gold... they didnt believe man could own land... and they were proven wrong

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:52:50 AM   
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It's a shell game, tazzy, and always has been.
ETA- that was to your ESF post, not the last one.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:55:21 AM   
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So you see no problem with US Citizenship being up for sale.


lol The govt does it all the time. That is what many visas are, the most expensive one is the EB-5 Investor visa and the govt makes 10,000 of those available per year.




Our government is supposed to decide who gets citizenship and who doesn't, and there is a fee.

I have major issues with a company selling birthing packages to foreign mothers to come here and deliver... both as a citizen and as a L&D Nurse.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 12:56:29 AM   
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It's a shell game, tazzy, and always has been.
ETA- that was to your ESF post, not the last one.



LOL... i sorta thought so. Yeah, that money thats in that account is long gone. No way our government would allow 800 billion plus sit around in an account and not touch it.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:01:14 AM   
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the fund is held by the SSA and is called the "Earnings Suspense File" (ESF) and according to one report it continues to accrue money at roughly $6 billion a year, with the total as of 2005 sitting at $519 billion. Thats a lot of money the govt will never have to pay out to the workers that paid into it.

It sounds like a lot of money, tj, but it really isn't when you compare it to the costs of education, health care, and incarceration of illegal immigrants. I've seen estimates that the state of California alone pays 10.5 billion per year between those 3 things. Even if those estimates are off by 50%, that is still over $5 billion for one state.

Worse, the taxes are collected by the federal gov't, but the services are largely paid for by the individual states.



But that is just one tax that illegals pay, they pay other taxes as well, sales tax, gas tax, property tax (or indirectly thru paying rent), etc, etc. To get a true picture you would have to add up all the taxes and add up all the actual benefits and see what the numbers actually are.

I wonder what things would cost if there were no illegals to pick the fruit, cook, clean, garden, build houses, etc. I would say that people would soon find their cost of living skyrocket and they would no longer be able to afford their gardener, nanny, etc. Then hear people bitch! lol

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:05:16 AM   
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LOL... i sorta thought so.


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Yeah, that money thats in that account is long gone. No way our government would allow 800 billion plus sit around in an account and not touch it.
Face it, our gov't never met a dollar it didn't spend... and I'll bet little if any of that fund went to actually pay for the education and heath care costs incurred by the illegals it came from.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:06:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444


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So you see no problem with US Citizenship being up for sale.


lol The govt does it all the time. That is what many visas are, the most expensive one is the EB-5 Investor visa and the govt makes 10,000 of those available per year.




Our government is supposed to decide who gets citizenship and who doesn't, and there is a fee.

I have major issues with a company selling birthing packages to foreign mothers to come here and deliver... both as a citizen and as a L&D Nurse.


Well, I have no opinion either way on birthing packages any more than i have an opinion on medical tourism. If its legal then the govt obviously doesnt have a problem with it, if they did then they would change the laws and it would no longer happen.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:13:14 AM   
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stats on illegals getting welfare or other benefits


Stats? Nope. Neither side of this issue can agree on numbers. But, I do know that illegals can get SSI. PRUCOL allows this. There was also, recently, a DMV employee who was caught selling DL's to illegals for 1500 to 3000 a pop.

http://www.mynews3.com/story.php?id=42530&n=5035

And guess what you need to get a SS card or other benefits from the government? An ID.



I dont believe a Mexican illegal immigrant can get a CA drivers license without having a SSN & showing proof of legal presence (US resident card/visa). And i somehow doubt that an illegal can get a SSN, you have to show a birth certificate and prove you have a visa to be in the US to get that. I dont know about other states but I would guess most or all are along the same lines.

So 200 DLs were sold by this person, 200 out of how many illegals in the US??? If it were easy for illegals to walk into a DMV and get a DL, they wouldnt be paying 3k to buy one.

Please tell me you arent this naive.

Once again contradicting the myth that illegal immigrants are simply desperate hard-working people in search of a better life, about 700 have been arrested at an Iowa meatpacking plant for stealing the identities and Social Security numbers of unsuspecting Americans.

Armed with a criminal search warrant, around 100 federal agents raided the nation’s largest kosher meatpacking plant, Agriprocessing Co., located in the northeast Iowa community of Postville. The plant is the area’s largest employer with about 1,000 workers, the majority of them believed to be in the country illegally.


This is just one case. How many more do you need?

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A Mexico-born illegal immigrant working as a police officer in Alaska was caught only after the U.S. citizen whose identity he stole applied for a passport, authorities said Tuesday.

Rafael Espinoza, who has dual citizenship, lives outside of the U.S. and recently applied for a passport, Anchorage Police Chief Mark Mew said. Around that time, the officer using Espinoza's name applied for a passport renewal under the same identity, according to police and federal authorities


Do you need more?

Eight people are charged with conspiring to obtain bogus Ohio identification cards for illegal aliens in Virginia and elsewhere, a federal prosecutor said Tuesday.
U.S. Attorney John Brownlee said the fraudulent IDs apparently were intended to help the illegal immigrants obtain employment and avoid deportation.
"There is no terrorism at all," Brownlee said at a news conference. "This is an immigration case."
Four defendants are from Ohio - two employees of a state Bureau of Motor Vehicles office in Columbus and two interpreters who served as brokers for the conspiracy, according to an indictment handed up by a federal grand jury in Harrisonburg.


Still more? How many cases do you need to see in the news to realize these are not isolated cases but a growing problem with huge consequences?

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:21:05 AM   
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wonder what things would cost if there were no illegals to pick the fruit, cook, clean, garden, build houses, etc. I would say that people would soon find their cost of living skyrocket and they would no longer be able to afford their gardener, nanny, etc. Then hear people bitch! lol


Now that is another myth.

Illegal immigrants work in many sectors of the U.S. economy.

According to National Public Radio in 2005,

about 3 percent work in agriculture;
33 percent have jobs in service industries;
and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (16 percent),
and in production, installation, and repair (17 percent).

[5] According to USA Today in 2006,

about 4 percent work in farming;
21 percent have jobs in service industries;
and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (19 percent),
and in production, installation, and repair (15 percent),
with 12% in sales,
10% in management,
and 8% in transportation.

Most illegals work in the service industry. Can we please stop with who is going to pick lettuce?

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:27:27 AM   
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But that is just one tax that illegals pay, they pay other taxes as well, sales tax, gas tax, property tax (or indirectly thru paying rent), etc, etc. To get a true picture you would have to add up all the taxes and add up all the actual benefits and see what the numbers actually are.

True, but that is offset by things like sending half of the money they make out of the country via WU, serious carpooling, living 10 to a 1 bedrm apt (don't ask about many of my former neighbors), etc etc. If you are going to go there, you also have to add in the cost of things like auto accidents caused by illegals who have no license and no insurance. It happens every day and in every case I know of, the citizen winds up paying.

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I wonder what things would cost if there were no illegals to pick the fruit, cook, clean, garden, build houses, etc. I would say that people would soon find their cost of living skyrocket and they would no longer be able to afford their gardener, nanny, etc. Then hear people bitch! lol
Having no gardener, nanny, domestic, etc; it would not bother me. Tazzy has already addressed the lettuce issue.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:43:39 AM   
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stats on illegals getting welfare or other benefits


Stats? Nope. Neither side of this issue can agree on numbers. But, I do know that illegals can get SSI. PRUCOL allows this. There was also, recently, a DMV employee who was caught selling DL's to illegals for 1500 to 3000 a pop.

http://www.mynews3.com/story.php?id=42530&n=5035

And guess what you need to get a SS card or other benefits from the government? An ID.



I dont believe a Mexican illegal immigrant can get a CA drivers license without having a SSN & showing proof of legal presence (US resident card/visa). And i somehow doubt that an illegal can get a SSN, you have to show a birth certificate and prove you have a visa to be in the US to get that. I dont know about other states but I would guess most or all are along the same lines.

So 200 DLs were sold by this person, 200 out of how many illegals in the US??? If it were easy for illegals to walk into a DMV and get a DL, they wouldnt be paying 3k to buy one.

Please tell me you arent this naive.

Once again contradicting the myth that illegal immigrants are simply desperate hard-working people in search of a better life, about 700 have been arrested at an Iowa meatpacking plant for stealing the identities and Social Security numbers of unsuspecting Americans.

Armed with a criminal search warrant, around 100 federal agents raided the nation’s largest kosher meatpacking plant, Agriprocessing Co., located in the northeast Iowa community of Postville. The plant is the area’s largest employer with about 1,000 workers, the majority of them believed to be in the country illegally.


This is just one case. How many more do you need?

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A Mexico-born illegal immigrant working as a police officer in Alaska was caught only after the U.S. citizen whose identity he stole applied for a passport, authorities said Tuesday.

Rafael Espinoza, who has dual citizenship, lives outside of the U.S. and recently applied for a passport, Anchorage Police Chief Mark Mew said. Around that time, the officer using Espinoza's name applied for a passport renewal under the same identity, according to police and federal authorities


Do you need more?

Eight people are charged with conspiring to obtain bogus Ohio identification cards for illegal aliens in Virginia and elsewhere, a federal prosecutor said Tuesday.
U.S. Attorney John Brownlee said the fraudulent IDs apparently were intended to help the illegal immigrants obtain employment and avoid deportation.
"There is no terrorism at all," Brownlee said at a news conference. "This is an immigration case."
Four defendants are from Ohio - two employees of a state Bureau of Motor Vehicles office in Columbus and two interpreters who served as brokers for the conspiracy, according to an indictment handed up by a federal grand jury in Harrisonburg.


Still more? How many cases do you need to see in the news to realize these are not isolated cases but a growing problem with huge consequences?


You can not get a CA DL using someone elses SSN. They check the name and it has to match. I dont believe that most illegals take someones entire identity, most use someone elses SSN when they apply for a job but they use their real name. That is why the taxes from those people goes into the ESF, the govt knows because the name doesnt match to the SSN. That police officer was imo a rare situation in that he probably knew that person in his home country and never expected that person to apply for a US passport.

I never said that some illegals dont use other peoples SSNs, yes, that does happen. There wouldnt be a huge ESF if there werent a lot of illegals using other peoples SSNs. The fund exists because of it. But the govt knows where they are, yet they do nothing much about it. That is because they want the $ coming in. The govt has the ability to change that, if they wanted to.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/15/2011 1:50:29 AM   
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wonder what things would cost if there were no illegals to pick the fruit, cook, clean, garden, build houses, etc. I would say that people would soon find their cost of living skyrocket and they would no longer be able to afford their gardener, nanny, etc. Then hear people bitch! lol


Now that is another myth.

Illegal immigrants work in many sectors of the U.S. economy.

According to National Public Radio in 2005,

about 3 percent work in agriculture;
33 percent have jobs in service industries;
and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (16 percent),
and in production, installation, and repair (17 percent).

[5] According to USA Today in 2006,

about 4 percent work in farming;
21 percent have jobs in service industries;
and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (19 percent),
and in production, installation, and repair (15 percent),
with 12% in sales,
10% in management,
and 8% in transportation.

Most illegals work in the service industry. Can we please stop with who is going to pick lettuce?


It doesnt matter where they work, where ever it is, the costs would skyrocket if they werent there to do that work for very low wages.

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