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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Ha!

Look up the treaty of hildago and tell me how anyone can enforce immigration

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I hate to say it, but the majority of the disinfranchised here, don't speak to, or vote their interests. It's obviously, beyond party lines. How can oil companies make billions of dollars in profit, buy politician, game wall street (by buying oil futures they've no intent of using), causing another decline in a healing economy, supply as much money to politicians as needed (mostly republicans), than expect to be protected at home. How do we re-do balance imports/exports business, so that we aren't the ones with stuff, and debt. M

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How was it not properly enacted?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The treaty was subsequently ratified by the U.S. Senate by a vote of 38 to 14 on 10 March 1848 and by Mexico through a legislative vote of 51 to 34 and a Senate vote of 33 to 4, on 19 May 1848.

On 30 May 1848, when the two countries exchanged ratifications of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, they further negotiated a three-article protocol to explain the amendments. The first article stated that the original Article IX of the treaty, although replaced by Article III of the Treaty of Louisiana, would still confer the rights delineated in Article IX. The second article confirmed the legitimacy of land grants pursuant to Mexican law.[21]

The protocol further noted that said explanations had been accepted by the Mexican Minister of Foreign Affairs on behalf of the Mexican Government,[21] and was signed in Santiago de Queretaro by A. H. Sevier, Nathan Clifford and Luis de la Rosa.

The U.S. would later go on to ignore the protocol on the grounds that the U.S. representatives had over-reached their authority in agreeing to it.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo

What did they not know about?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The solution is enormously simple, incarcerate and fine the shit out of the employers.

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I believe that a lot of people think that this is all done through the proper channels where people showed up to work, provided social security numbers, and did all of the correct paperwork. Sometimes, it is, but it's still supposed to be the responsibility of that employer to verify what they have been given before a person even spends one minute as an employee. We need to have tighter regulations in regard to verifying documentation.

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Government regulations and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services employer manual state that employers are not expected to be experts on identification documents. It suffices for them to make a “reasonable” effort to verify that the employee is the same person named in the passport, birth certificate, or visa. The result is a veritable underground industry in counterfeit documentation and identity theft. For an employer, it suffices to refrain from knowingly aiding, abetting, or otherwise encouraging the use of false papers.


Employers must also consider are laws against discrimination based on citizenship under the Immigration and Nationality Act and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. To avoid any form of discrimination, employers must accept the documents presented by the prospective employee if they are on the lists printed on Form I9.
The result of the two policies is that employers must make a limited inquiry at the time of hiring. They need not check pending enforcement actions, changes in regulations, or the implications of possible expiration dates of visas or other status determinations after hiring.

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ORIGINAL: Mezrem
Or the power of the unions and the force they esxert on companies. Look at the influance thier power and the jobs it cost the state of SC. The split in favor to the GOP vs the DNC is roughly 70/30 in favor of the GOP... when it comes to Unions it's more 95/5 in favor of the DNC

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Neither of these groups in large are willing to address the problem of illegals in our country. Not one of us and come here and have a baby.. both should get deported period.

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Even those within the government do nothing. Federal Labor Board came in to audit the company I work for. The guy knew about the illegals... and said that wasnt why he was there. He didnt care they were illegal. If they worked, they got paid... period. And because some were paid under the table, they werent allowed to work while that guy was there.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The solution is enormously simple, incarcerate and fine the shit out of the employers.

this

I'm here, too.

It's easy to make a blanket statement about "send them all back".  Where does the funding come from?  People don't really think the INS has the kind of resources to even begin to tackle the problem, do they?  If you want to take people back across the border, exactly how does it get paid for?

I believe that a lot of people think that this is all done through the proper channels where people showed up to work, provided social security numbers, and did all of the correct paperwork.  Sometimes, it is, but it's still supposed to be the responsibility of that employer to verify what they have been given before a person even spends one minute as an employee.  We need to have tighter regulations in regard to verifying documentation.

That's over and above the segment who are working under the table.  That's the part where folks aren't having any taxes taken out of their pay at all (except when they make purchases through sales tax) because it's all cash at the end of the day.  That's on the employers, period.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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If they're illegal, it's likely they aren't paying taxes.

Which taxes do you believe they dont pay? Wage? Yep. Most have jobs because they are using someone elses SS number. As long as they provide a valid number, the employer cannot check any further. And, having just gone through a Labor Department audit of the company I work for, they dont care if the employee is illegal. That employee will still get paid, and taxed.

Sales tax? Yep, they pay those too anytime they purchase something.

Excise taxes? I do believe that is what they are called on utilities, and they pay those too.

Income taxes? Most would make little enough to get a refund. That they dont get back. so they are actually paying more into the system than they legally should.

What taxes are they not paying?