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farglebargle -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 12:05:47 PM)
Seen this? http://youtu.be/BOwf3TDygkM

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 12:50:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Seen this? http://youtu.be/BOwf3TDygkM Wow,is that awful.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 1:07:22 PM)
That is SO wrong on SO many levels and I'l laffin My ass OFF.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 1:08:47 PM)
I would like to know Domi and Wilbur's (since they seem to share the same passion I do for the Floyd) thoughts on Syd Barrett and Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 1:17:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus I would like to know Domi and Wilbur's (since they seem to share the same passion I do for the Floyd) thoughts on Syd Barrett and Piper at the Gates of Dawn. He was an interesting character with interesting ideas musically, but I don't know that his avant-garde leanings would ever have led anywhere that we would still be talking about. An analogy: cute vs beautiful. The tragedy of his mental illness, ironically, might have been his greatest contribution to PF. It inspired so much of DS/WYWH and to a lesser extent the Wall, and without it, RW wouldnt have been the same. I listen to The Madcap Laughs for its historical value and to listen for hints of things to come, not because its particularly enjoyable on its own. The collaborations between SB and RW were far more interesting than things like "Bike" and "See Emily Play". You could feel Roger's influence starting to take over in Ummagumma, and almost there in Meddle. Atom Heart Mother was a throwaway with vague echoes in the card playing "scene" during In the Flesh.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 1:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam That is SO wrong on SO many levels and I'l laffin My ass OFF. Its even a cut below a cover band I saw a couple of months after The Wall tour (and before Spinal Tap's stonehenge stuff). Besides being musically awful, they built and knocked down a wall as they played the entire album...but the wall wasnt even waist high!

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 5:03:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus I would like to know Domi and Wilbur's (since they seem to share the same passion I do for the Floyd) thoughts on Syd Barrett and Piper at the Gates of Dawn. He was an interesting character with interesting ideas musically, but I don't know that his avant-garde leanings would ever have led anywhere that we would still be talking about. An analogy: cute vs beautiful. The tragedy of his mental illness, ironically, might have been his greatest contribution to PF. It inspired so much of DS/WYWH and to a lesser extent the Wall, and without it, RW wouldnt have been the same. I listen to The Madcap Laughs for its historical value and to listen for hints of things to come, not because its particularly enjoyable on its own. The collaborations between SB and RW were far more interesting than things like "Bike" and "See Emily Play". You could feel Roger's influence starting to take over in Ummagumma, and almost there in Meddle. Atom Heart Mother was a throwaway with vague echoes in the card playing "scene" during In the Flesh. I agree to an extent. His illness and departure were the best things to ever happen to the band. What I find curious is how superior songwriter he was at that time to the others (perhaps because they didn't think it necessary). Roger's sole contribution on Piper paled to nearly everything else on it. I'd have loved to have seen Syd stay somewhat competent and continue on with solo work or get another backing band. I find the Madcap Laughs and Barrett both pretty enjoyable but Bike and Matilda Mother stand up as my favorite Barrett contributions to music. As amazing as Pink Floyd became, I'd actually consider Piper to be their best album until Meddle. I love Saucer, Ummagumma is very hit and (quite a bit) of miss, Atom Heart Mother has it's moments... but I'd rather give Piper a listen than any of them. I'd say that's a testament to Barrett's talent or at least his influence on the others that they were left scrambling for so long to pick up without him. I left out the movie soundtracks but Obscured by Clouds definitely had some worthy tracks and you can hear hints of DSotM in Childhood's End. Not nearly as much as in Echoes, but the footprints were beginning there.

NuevaVida -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 5:44:10 PM)
Holy crap I'm late to this thread. LOVE Floyd. Love love love Floyd. LOVE Gilmour. Saw Floyd's Division Bell Tour in Oakland in 1994 and it was amazing. Saw Gilmour tour On an Island but he played a lot of the old PF stuff. The room was silent...a hazy blue light on Gilmour, and that familiar "ping" - first note of Echoes....I get chills just remembering it. Phenomenal stuff. Best band ever. Ever. Nose to nose with the Beatles in my book, but their music has such passion and variety that they take the lead.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 8:36:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: True, the last time I looked (2 or so years ago) CD still had 80% of the market. Its aimless speculation to say CD will die soon - back in 2001 or so people were saying CD was on the way out just as high street retail would all go online. I think there will be music sold in physical form for a long time, maybe CD or perhaps the audio only version of Blu-ray might take off. I 've found that blu-ray sounds great of course, due to the enhanced spectrum, but it's been out several years now and the buy-in by the public for audio application is something akin to the Laser Disc. I am praying the CD will be around a lot longer than these fucks who simply want to glom onto web based downloading enterprises because the hardware and locale costs are ridiculously low. The fact is when you talk to the guys in these start-ups they no shit about audio quality. The back end has techies who know, but to a large extent, they don't care. A lot of independent artists are now demanding the download sites offer a full 44khz flac, but the main stream artists don't really seem to get the bigger picture yet. CD definately sounds good but its resolution is a bit limited vs. LP as the 16 bit standard developed in the early 70's when digital was in its infancy. If audio Blu-ray took off it would be amazing with 24 bit and quadruple the sampling rate over up to eight channels. The audio only releases started in 2008 I think. I sometimes write for an audio magazine and put some money down on a bet that it will take off slowly because virtually every home will have a Blu-ray player eventually and the audio-only standard is commonly recognised on the hardware, unlike with DVD-Audio on DVD players. Here's hoping! [8\|] Maybe its just me but it seems interest in high quality sound became lax since the 80's. Digital made it easy for engineers and consumers spent less and less on music and decent audio systems. It went to shit with the MP3 and the loudness wars. quote: In the meantime, if you wanna download something, try archive.org I alone have hundreds of concerts I mastered up there, free for the taking. There's also video and non-musical audio... great site Yeah there is some good stuff on that site although a lot of it seems to be audience tapes of varying quality. There is so much on there its hard to know what to check out. The Crispin Glovers were pretty good, e.g. "Piss Bottle Man" [:D]

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 8:56:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Thats where we depart...for PF's best work Gilmour wasn't much more than a hired musician. Watch the DVD of the making of DSOTM. DG contributed the "Gilmour sound", but almost everything was charted by RW. I go to a PF show for the songs that have been my soundtrack almost forever. RW creates them far better than he ever did with Gilmour, (And a fan would probably spell Gilmour correctly anyway. [:D] As far as his solo work goes, Pros and Cons and Kaos are better than anything except Animals and WYWH, perhaps "tied" with the Wall, since it was written at the same time. Far from being pissed off, most fans were thrilled that PF was being carried on, albeit with the legal name. I really dislike Waters own solo stuff. Listening to Amused to Death was a turning point. The orthodoxy was that Waters was the talent in Floyd so I tried to like his work. As songwriters go that is correct but he wasn't a musician like Gilmore or especially Wright who I see as their key member. Others will no doubt disagree but Amused was needless bombastic with indulgent political crowing, basically the same as his stuff since The Wall. Its ugly. The highlight of his "solo" material is "The Final Cut" (Floyd only in name) which I actually like better than "The Wall" as its less bombastic and a tad more musical although its still intolerably self-pitying. BTW for sound quality it must be the best sounding Floyd album and their last recorded in analogue. Dark Side of the Moon is no great shakes for sound quality. The 1992 remaster sounds muddled and harsh on a high-end audio system.

TheHeretic -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 9:14:02 PM)
Oh the horror, Wilbur! I spelled something wrong on the internet! quote: ORIGINAL: PetiteOralSub Floyd after Waters is still Floyd, still classic, and will still be listened to 100 years from now. Gilmour is rock's Mozart. He is the best to come out of the twentieth century. The greatest composer should have been Cliff Burton. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Floyd after Waters is barely listenable, and isnt even listened to now by very many, much less 100 years from now. (Unfortunately, neither is Waters after Floyd, which is some great music). Rocks Mozart???? Hint: Mozart was a composer. I once had to sit a friend down, order him to put on the headphones, and play Four Minutes for him, to settle a "which one's Pink" argument. The solo Waters has no soaring soul, the Pink Floyd-ish Gilmour/Mason has no head.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 9:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy The wall is pure fucking genius....Not a single marginal track. If forced to give up the Beatles or Floyd....So long, Here Comes the Sun...Hello, Pigs on the wing. Somewhere in the CD racks I have the bootleg demos for The Wall-very cool stuff. Just Roger on an acoustic with these semi nascent songs that would one day metastasize into legend. I tip my hat to Domi's Animals nod. 2 pages of Floydian discussions and nobodies brought up their best album yet. For shame. And yes, Roger is a better lyricist than the overrated Lennon... You are entitled to your opinion but quite honestly death would be too good a punishment.... [:D] There isn't even a competition. Lennon's only GREAT lyrics were to Imagine. Most of the Beatles' best songs had lyrics that were only so-so. Lennon could write better singles than Waters... but Pink Floyd didn't do singles. Lennon is terribly overrated as a lyricist and was only the second-best guitarist in the band. Lennon isn't rated so much as a lyricist as far as I know but more as a song writer. You probably think Waters is one of the best but I reckon few think he remotely approaches the lyrical quality of Lou Reed or Bob Dylan. That was one of the criticisms by a few journos of "The Wall" when it was released - that he didn't have the skills of a high quality lyricist to put the concept of the project into practice without it sounding hamfisted and overwrought. I genuinely like most of his stuff from 69 to 75 but can't think of one song that really stands out for the sheer quality of the verse. The brilliance of Macca and Lennon at their best is the elegance and simplicity of their work which exceeds Waters even at his best.

farglebargle -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 9:50:37 PM)
Blu-Ray is over. The predominant solution is FLACs.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 10:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh You probably think Waters is one of the best but I reckon few think he remotely approaches the lyrical quality of Lou Reed or Bob Dylan. That was one of the criticisms by a few journos of "The Wall" when it was released - that he didn't have the skills of a high quality lyricist to put the concept of the project into practice without it sounding hamfisted and overwrought. I genuinely like most of his stuff from 69 to 75 but can't think of one song that really stands out for the sheer quality of the verse. The brilliance of Macca and Lennon at their best is the elegance and simplicity of their work which exceeds Waters even at his best. Waters is often mentioned in the same breath as Dylan by other musicians. Critics of the Wall saying it is "overwrought" apparently dont understand it...it is an opera..operas are always overwrought. The elegance and simplicity of DSOTM and WYWH compare favorably to anything of Dylan and Lennon. Reed? A nobody who would have gone nowhere without Andy Warhol. Boring ripoffs of beat novelists. Jim Carroll is what Lou Reed wanted to be but didnt have what it takes.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 10:52:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Oh the horror, Wilbur! I spelled something wrong on the internet! thats the reason for the emoticon after it quote: ORIGINAL: PetiteOralSub Floyd after Waters is still Floyd, still classic, and will still be listened to 100 years from now. Gilmour is rock's Mozart. He is the best to come out of the twentieth century. The greatest composer should have been Cliff Burton. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Floyd after Waters is barely listenable, and isnt even listened to now by very many, much less 100 years from now. (Unfortunately, neither is Waters after Floyd, which is some great music). Rocks Mozart???? Hint: Mozart was a composer. I once had to sit a friend down, order him to put on the headphones, and play Four Minutes for him, to settle a "which one's Pink" argument. The solo Waters has no soaring soul, the Pink Floyd-ish Gilmour/Mason has no head. No question RW moved away from the angst and soaring anthems of PF/Gilmour, but that was intentional. He replaced it with jazz motifs in P&C and more straight ahead rock but with more sardonic lyrics in KAOS. Not growing past the Wall/PF in his solo work would deserve more criticism than not continuing it. Cliff Burton? He was a master of metallic metaphors for sure, but I dont think the genre and audience lends itself to great lyrics.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 11:10:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy The wall is pure fucking genius....Not a single marginal track. If forced to give up the Beatles or Floyd....So long, Here Comes the Sun...Hello, Pigs on the wing. Somewhere in the CD racks I have the bootleg demos for The Wall-very cool stuff. Just Roger on an acoustic with these semi nascent songs that would one day metastasize into legend. I tip my hat to Domi's Animals nod. 2 pages of Floydian discussions and nobodies brought up their best album yet. For shame. And yes, Roger is a better lyricist than the overrated Lennon... You are entitled to your opinion but quite honestly death would be too good a punishment.... [:D] There isn't even a competition. Lennon's only GREAT lyrics were to Imagine. Most of the Beatles' best songs had lyrics that were only so-so. Lennon could write better singles than Waters... but Pink Floyd didn't do singles. Lennon is terribly overrated as a lyricist and was only the second-best guitarist in the band. Lennon isn't rated so much as a lyricist as far as I know but more as a song writer. You probably think Waters is one of the best but I reckon few think he remotely approaches the lyrical quality of Lou Reed or Bob Dylan. That was one of the criticisms by a few journos of "The Wall" when it was released - that he didn't have the skills of a high quality lyricist to put the concept of the project into practice without it sounding hamfisted and overwrought. Bob Dylan is the one lyricist I will say is undeniably superior to Waters. But, Dylan happens to be mentioned in discussions of our country's greatest poets. Any talk of greatest lyricists begins and ends with Dylan. Ray Davies and Waters compete for number two. I give the edge to Davies due to Waters not hitting a mature lyrical form until 75. Number three, I struggle between Roger Waters and Maynard James Keenan. For the ability to convey a conceptual narrative, Waters certainly wins, but to tap into a deep introspective place, Keenan is unmatched. Edited to add: Dylan never had ventured to such ambitious projects like The Wall though... nor did he have bass lines as tasty as Let There Be More Light.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/13/2011 11:41:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus Ray Davies and Waters compete for number two. I give the edge to Davies due to Waters not hitting a mature lyrical form until 75. Number three, I struggle between Roger Waters and Maynard James Keenan. For the ability to convey a conceptual narrative, Waters certainly wins, but to tap into a deep introspective place, Keenan is unmatched. Edited to add: Dylan never had ventured to such ambitious projects like The Wall though... nor did he have bass lines as tasty as Let There Be More Light. I don't think you can really compare Davies and Waters. While thematically they may be similar their approach is too different. I vastly prefer heavy over light, and if I were going to go light Id take Donald Fagen before Ray Davies. That may be a bias borne of a) being American b) living so much of my early life on the edge. Denizens of the night just speak to me more than the empire, and Fagen's linguistic cleverness adds a lot for my taste. And moving beyond pure lyricists to overall songwriting, Frank Zappa leads the US list for me.

Kana -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/14/2011 5:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy The wall is pure fucking genius....Not a single marginal track. If forced to give up the Beatles or Floyd....So long, Here Comes the Sun...Hello, Pigs on the wing. Somewhere in the CD racks I have the bootleg demos for The Wall-very cool stuff. Just Roger on an acoustic with these semi nascent songs that would one day metastasize into legend. I tip my hat to Domi's Animals nod. 2 pages of Floydian discussions and nobodies brought up their best album yet. For shame. And yes, Roger is a better lyricist than the overrated Lennon... You are entitled to your opinion but quite honestly death would be too good a punishment.... [:D] There isn't even a competition. Lennon's only GREAT lyrics were to Imagine. Most of the Beatles' best songs had lyrics that were only so-so. Lennon could write better singles than Waters... but Pink Floyd didn't do singles. Lennon is terribly overrated as a lyricist and was only the second-best guitarist in the band. Lennon isn't rated so much as a lyricist as far as I know but more as a song writer. You probably think Waters is one of the best but I reckon few think he remotely approaches the lyrical quality of Lou Reed or Bob Dylan. That was one of the criticisms by a few journos of "The Wall" when it was released - that he didn't have the skills of a high quality lyricist to put the concept of the project into practice without it sounding hamfisted and overwrought. Bob Dylan is the one lyricist I will say is undeniably superior to Waters. But, Dylan happens to be mentioned in discussions of our country's greatest poets. Any talk of greatest lyricists begins and ends with Dylan. Ray Davies and Waters compete for number two. I give the edge to Davies due to Waters not hitting a mature lyrical form until 75. Number three, I struggle between Roger Waters and Maynard James Keenan. For the ability to convey a conceptual narrative, Waters certainly wins, but to tap into a deep introspective place, Keenan is unmatched. Edited to add: Dylan never had ventured to such ambitious projects like The Wall though... nor did he have bass lines as tasty as Let There Be More Light. Yeah. Dylan is the man. He looms over any other songwriter in ways that aren't even funny. I'd give Bruce a nod at #2, maybe TVZ at #3. After that it's a blur of many as I've never really thought of a top 10 best songwriter list. Paul Simon has to be on there as does Leonard Cohen. And lets not forget the ladies. Joni could write some lyrics and Ani is the queen of beat poetry turned into song.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/14/2011 5:54:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh You probably think Waters is one of the best but I reckon few think he remotely approaches the lyrical quality of Lou Reed or Bob Dylan. That was one of the criticisms by a few journos of "The Wall" when it was released - that he didn't have the skills of a high quality lyricist to put the concept of the project into practice without it sounding hamfisted and overwrought. I genuinely like most of his stuff from 69 to 75 but can't think of one song that really stands out for the sheer quality of the verse. The brilliance of Macca and Lennon at their best is the elegance and simplicity of their work which exceeds Waters even at his best. Waters is often mentioned in the same breath as Dylan by other musicians. Critics of the Wall saying it is "overwrought" apparently dont understand it...it is an opera..operas are always overwrought. The elegance and simplicity of DSOTM and WYWH compare favorably to anything of Dylan and Lennon. Reed? A nobody who would have gone nowhere without Andy Warhol. Boring ripoffs of beat novelists. Jim Carroll is what Lou Reed wanted to be but didnt have what it takes. I don't agree that "The Wall" is an opera - if that were the case then why was he planning to do an operatic version of it recently? Reed actually wanted to be Joyce, and that's simply untrue about Warhol. He was merely an enabler as producer of the Velvet Underground's first album. The elegance and simplicity of the lyrics of Dark Side of the Moon and Wish you were here? lol - these two huge selling albums are cited as one of the primary reasons for the punk rock backlash. When I referred to simplicity I was referring as much to the immediacy and power of the works of Macca and Lennon - Dylan is a different kettle of fish. Perhaps the best work in this respect that Waters did lyrically is found on Meddle. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh - he actually wanted to replace all the members because he didn't think they were up to it technically!!! lol Did he want to transform the band into Weather Report or what? [:D] His post-PF tours proved that Gilmour especially wasn't up to it technically. NM and RW were never virtuosos on their instruments, at least DG was/is (or close) But Bramhall and Kilminster both kick Gilmour's ass techinically. I respect your knowledge of their live performances which is impressive but don't think you accept the notions of the back to the basics movement that gave rise to punk etc. Yes Wright and Mason were not virtuosos but they were still good musicians and it was not Waters' band to fuck up as he wished. They were important contributors to the band. Mason was unique rhythmically. His playing had a dead on timing. Wright also brought a huge amount of creativity and invention to the band and to a lesser extent Gilmore did also. I'm reminded of Muddy Waters saying you don't need to be the best, you just need to be good. The point is that Pink Floyd was a band of long term and very creative musicians, not a Waters solo project. They were not more than the sum of their parts and when working as a coherent unit (DSOTM etc.) they were excellent but Waters fucked that up after Wish.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Pink Floyd re-issue (5/14/2011 6:07:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Blu-Ray is over. The predominant solution is FLACs. Hippy dude, audio only Blu-ray has only been around for three years, and Blu-ray sales are greatly increasing so it shouldn't be dismissed but I agree though that downloads will probably be more popular. It would be good though to have a very high resolution physical medium, thats why I want to see Blu-ray audio succeed. BTW does anyone know that actual name of the synthesiser that Pink Floyd used on Dark Side of the Moon (and briefly before that for droning sounds on Obsecured by the Clouds)? [:D]

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