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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 4:37:53 AM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickle And Dimed is a an interesting read on this subject as well.
(Of course, it's leftist propaganda, so a lot of the posters in this thread wouldn't dream of reading it...)

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 5:37:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		In some cases I know this is true, but not in all cases. How much is enough in terms of taxes? What level of profit is acceptable if it's not what the market will pay? Just like with people you find businesses with good and bad treatment of the people that work for them, the public and the enviroment. There comes a point were if you take enough from these people they are going to pick up thier ball and bat and head for the showers because the margins of profit are just no longer worth the effort.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Wonderful if it was true. But what happened was Corporations didn't invest in new and better equipment when they went to china. They invested in massive slave labor work forces to produce inferior products that then were foisted on the American consumer.



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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 5:38:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		How do the socialists donks defend such a poor record? What accomplishment can you point to for your Dear Leader? Now, keep in mind it was navy seals that killed osama. Dear Leader just didn't screw it up.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 5:42:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		He saved GM,without any help from republicans.


He get`s 100 % credit for that.


"General Motors To Invest Billions In 17 Factories"

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/11/136197819/gm-to-invest-billions-in-17-factories


That`s also in turn President Obama`s success.




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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 5:55:38 AM   
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How do the socialists donks defend such a poor record?


I give up how?

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What accomplishment can you point to for your Dear Leader?


If you like him or not he is the president. I take it you assume me to be a fan of his?

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Now, keep in mind it was navy seals that killed osama. Dear Leader just didn't screw it up.


This is off topic if you care to see my thoughts check out the link below post #9
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3661864/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3661892

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 6:48:34 AM   
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$578.00 per week...for 99 weeks.

who gets that for what?



Minnesota maximum unemployment. And thats only the 3rd highest state.



And this puts the lie to all this asswipe of reduction of taxes and all the same old lies that rightwingers put out.

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/corp_inc.pdf

Please note the corporate tax rates in Minnesota, and where they fall on the scale.

Perhaps some of you armchair financialists who have demonstrated that you can't even poor piss out of a boot, or find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight, would care to backpedal like a motherfucker, admit you don't know shit, and have assisted in the robbing of our treasury, or leave in shame.....

Because Minnesota is home to the headquarters the highest number of fortune 500 companies in this nation.     

How can this be, you simpletons?



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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 6:51:23 AM   
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If you like him or not he is the president. I take it you assume me to be a fan of his?

If you don't think he's a Kenyan Marxist and believe that he has any right to be President simply by winning an election, then you're obviously a fan of his, and a libtard.
That's how gatorboy thinks, isn't it?

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 7:04:36 AM   
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Ive never met a liberal who tried to stop people from working to go on welfare
what a bunch of cobblers
however, where are the jobs??? are you saying the cuts are not part of the repubs plan Boi???
why arent they focussing on what they said they wanted for americans???




Actually, I was just trying to see if I could sound as bigoted as the idiot I quoted. Maybe if I practice more or ask 59 which jr high he gets his ideas from




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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 7:06:16 AM   
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That's right and if it were up to the left, we would all be on welfare, sitting around pissing and moaning because we don't have as much as the guy down the street.



You know, for someone who constantly complains of bigoted attitudes from the left that was an amazingly bigoted attitude.

Maybe you should remind us of Uncle Ronnie's tall tale about the welfare queen in the Cadillac.



Then again, maybe I don't have to practice after all.


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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 7:10:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		In order for Lucy to be a typical american anything, she would have to move to the US and she sounds pretty happy where she is, so I doubt it's gonna happen.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 7:17:11 AM   
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How do the socialists donks defend such a poor record? What accomplishment can you point to for your Dear Leader? Now, keep in mind it was navy seals that killed osama. Dear Leader just didn't screw it up.


If you still have a job, then perhaps you should consider the efforts to rebuild the economy after Bush's 2001 tax cuts "balanced the budget by 2010"....



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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 8:13:52 AM   
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In looking at Clinton's balancing of the budget, do you also take into account his gutting of the U.S. armed forces and bring our military families to a level of destitution with more of the eligible for food stamps than at any point in our history? 

FAIL

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/moneymatters/a/foodstamps.htm

A survey conducted in 1999, showed that about 6,300 military families were on food stamps. That was a dramatic drop from the 12,000 who received aid in 1995 and represents less than 1 percent of the 1.4 million men and women in uniform.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,54321,00.html

Friday, Sep. 08, 2000

Bashing Al Gore over the state of U.S. military preparedness may be backfiring on George W. Bush, some U.S. military officials believe. The Republican candidate's claims that Clinton-era neglect has left the military unprepared for war and its personnel impoverished has prompted the Pentagon to hit back, disputing many of Bush's claims and pointing out that more than twice as many military personnel relied on food stamps back when Dick Cheney was defense secretary than do today.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/07/26/how-come-military-families-are-still-on-food-stamps-over-15-years-now/

The agency reports that more than $31 million worth of food stamps were used at commissaries nationwide in 2008 – an increase of about $6.2 million, or more than 25 percent – from the $24.8 million redeemed in 2007. That contrasts with a 13 percent overall increase in food stamp use by Americans for the same period, according to the Department of Agriculture, which administers the food stamp program…"

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 8:17:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since a Private, First Class makes between 18000 and 20000, I can see why many are on food stamps.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 8:23:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		5 pages and still nothing credible or valid for jobs jobs jobs by our esteemed colleagues on the rabid right.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 9:19:18 AM   
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Since a Private, First Class makes between 18000 and 20000, I can see why many are on food stamps.


Additionally, because of the frequent moving, it's hard for a non-military spouse to keep a good paying job, and if you throw a few small children into the mix, the family is definitely below poverty level. (However, my philosophy is don't have kids if you can't afford them.)

Conversely, the military is a great place for two military spouses, especially when working overseas, when you get all the additional allowances for food, housing, COLA - my salary doubled when I got married when stationed in Okinawa and our housing allowance allowed us to afford a beautiful Japanese house a few blocks from the ocean.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 9:53:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

In some cases I know this is true, but not in all cases. How much is enough in terms of taxes? What level of profit is acceptable if it's not what the market will pay? Just like with people you find businesses with good and bad treatment of the people that work for them, the public and the enviroment. There comes a point were if you take enough from these people they are going to pick up thier ball and bat and head for the showers because the margins of profit are just no longer worth the effort.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Wonderful if it was true. But what happened was Corporations didn't invest in new and better equipment when they went to china. They invested in massive slave labor work forces to produce inferior products that then were foisted on the American consumer.




True in all cases. Name one company that invented a new route to production that required them to move the plant to china. Or that they even took a new route to production and went there with it. Nada. New plants sure. Same old technology. Only difference is that the CEO's decided to go use Communist slave labor. Considering that most of those CEO"s are conservative republicans it is pretty ironic. Makes me sick to see these bastards wearing a American Flag pin in their jacket and spouting about how much they love this country and at the same time have no regard for their fellow citizens sending a whole generation to the poor house.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 10:24:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Since a Private, First Class makes between 18000 and 20000, I can see why many are on food stamps.


Additionally, because of the frequent moving, it's hard for a non-military spouse to keep a good paying job, and if you throw a few small children into the mix, the family is definitely below poverty level. (However, my philosophy is don't have kids if you can't afford them.)

Conversely, the military is a great place for two military spouses, especially when working overseas, when you get all the additional allowances for food, housing, COLA - my salary doubled when I got married when stationed in Okinawa and our housing allowance allowed us to afford a beautiful Japanese house a few blocks from the ocean.



Not all pregnancies are planned... some are even conceived in the presence of birth control. And it only takes one child with a special need to break the bank.

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 11:46:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mezrem

In some cases I know this is true, but not in all cases. How much is enough in terms of taxes? What level of profit is acceptable if it's not what the market will pay? Just like with people you find businesses with good and bad treatment of the people that work for them, the public and the enviroment. There comes a point were if you take enough from these people they are going to pick up thier ball and bat and head for the showers because the margins of profit are just no longer worth the effort.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Wonderful if it was true. But what happened was Corporations didn't invest in new and better equipment when they went to china. They invested in massive slave labor work forces to produce inferior products that then were foisted on the American consumer.




True in all cases. Name one company that invented a new route to production that required them to move the plant to china. Or that they even took a new route to production and went there with it. Nada. New plants sure. Same old technology. Only difference is that the CEO's decided to go use Communist slave labor. Considering that most of those CEO"s are conservative republicans it is pretty ironic. Makes me sick to see these bastards wearing a American Flag pin in their jacket and spouting about how much they love this country and at the same time have no regard for their fellow citizens sending a whole generation to the poor house.



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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 11:55:07 AM   
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Ever notice how "So what you are saying is _____?" is code for "total bullshit follows"?

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RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP - 5/13/2011 12:04:56 PM   
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