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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 2:24:06 PM   
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You base your predictions on a group that calls themselves the "Talking Heads"? and you criticize religions???

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hawking is a brilliant man, I agree with that, but his oppinions are his own and should have no bearing on what others choose to believe, as why look into the universe if we can't yet fathom our own minds, is looking for the building blocks of the universe a cop out from that unfathomable problem of ourselves. As lets face it, psychology is losing credibility and that because it consistantly fails to arrive at one thesis, so why not ignore and look elsewhere.

But why not let anyone believe what they want to believe, as nothing of a personal end of days can be proved, so it is all open to conjecture and as it can not be proved who is anyone to say such and so forth does not exist or exists. So why not let everyone be happy in their own belief, even those who rail against others, who we may may come to fight and kill, their belief in an afterlife being so tempting that they are prepared to risk their lives, in fighting and killing, those that repel them, fight and kill are in effect doing them a favour, they are hastening their end of days so they may discover their own personal fantasy.

Because that is what it is, this belief in what happens after death, nothing but fantasy.

And as someone who has according to the medics died, all I remember is the icy cold and darkness without stars, no shining light at the end of a tunnel, but a voice so comfortable yet so curt I yet yearn to understand who or what, as it pervades my living life now.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:03:48 PM   
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And as someone who has according to the medics died, all I remember is the icy cold and darkness without stars, no shining light at the end of a tunnel, but a voice so comfortable yet so curt I yet yearn to understand who or what, as it pervades my living life now.


My son died on the OR table. He still talks about the man who held his hand and kept him calm while he watched the Drs working on his body.

Even that experience is different than yours. Which is right? I don't know... do you?

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:10:21 PM   
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Didn't an ex wife or a maid push his wheel chair outside once and left him sitting in the sun ?


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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:11:42 PM   
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And as someone who has according to the medics died, all I remember is the icy cold and darkness without stars, no shining light at the end of a tunnel, but a voice so comfortable yet so curt I yet yearn to understand who or what, as it pervades my living life now.


My son died on the OR table. He still talks about the man who held his hand and kept him calm while he watched the Drs working on his body.

Even that experience is different than yours. Which is right? I don't know... do you?



They are both right... each one just had a different experience...


I drive one route and you drive another, but we end up at the same location... was there a "right" way?

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:14:12 PM   
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I think the only value of Mr. Hawking statement is for his biographers. Just a psychology of a dying great man. An attempt to convince himself his model of the Universe has something to do with the reality or even correct. 


He is not dying any quicker than you or I may be.




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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:16:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		But he does have a disease that reminds him daily of his own mortality in ways I cannot appreciate as an able-bodied healthyperson

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:22:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		As everyone is different, every belief is different, what a mind might recall in those desperate moments varies from person to person, I was pagan then, believing in Hearne and various goddesses, but what happened caused me to seek and question anything but pagan, the christians dissapointed me the most, them refering to psychology not god's intervention, only the buddhists came up with something I can understand and that, the voice maybe my own self telling me to be calm and not to worry, for we have something in ourselves we cannot name or fathom, although many religions alude to it in one form or other. As to what it is I still do not know, but I do know it is with me, perhaps part of me and perhaps it I will meet at my end of days, but having discovered it through dire consequences, I am now aware of it and only wonder how much it influences my life. As at guess I believe it is the madness in me, the thing that defies logic and what other people might think to compel me to do whatever and learn from it, the sadistic bastard.

My father also encountered such a situation through illness and whist he was in his delirium, he watched hs mother cry as those medical professionals around stood and shook their heads, for he also understands he has had the out of body experience. but the question is, when the medics shake their heads, what brings a person back to the land of the living, for he lived to father me.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:24:04 PM   
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But he does have a disease that reminds him daily of his own mortality in ways I cannot appreciate as an able-bodied healthyperson


Because it makes you feel better to believe that doesn't make it true.

I've seen "able-bodied healthy persons" drop dead of heart attacks and become crippled by strokes.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:28:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Would it entertain to know that each and everyone of us is dying from birth ?

When we go to sleep at night, perhaps we have become complacent that we will awake in the morning ?

We are all dying some slowly some quickly and yes those that are shifting faster than the majority might be in the madness of what to think.

But why think, just let it be, live life to the fullest capacity one can manage and accept whatever is beyond assuming of course the mind once dead is still capable of accepting what lies beyond the veil.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:32:00 PM   
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But he does have a disease that reminds him daily of his own mortality in ways I cannot appreciate as an able-bodied healthyperson


Because it makes you feel better to believe that doesn't make it true.

I've seen "able-bodied healthy persons" drop dead of heart attacks and become crippled by strokes.




I have no illusions that I will live longer than this very instant. I suppose it is at the back of everyone's mind from the time they learn what death is that this event can happen to them,


What I am saying, and perhaps this is just from my own perspective, that when you have a life threatening illness, and your body is failing, it makes death a much more tangible reality that is on the forefront of your mind... Personally, I do not think about my impending death just going through the motions of life. I can imagine when one has a wasting disease every little downturn is very much a reminder that it isn't going to get any better.

My mom is getting to that point in her life where she is neck and neck with life expectancy... from talking to her, she has a grasp that anything past that is kinda like borrowed time. She is increasingly aware of her own mortality. And she makes choices around this reality. Now, maybe Hawkes doesn't, but I would find that extremely hard to believe....

Contrast that to someone my age, I am making plans for 5 years from now, perhaps I shouldn't because I could bite the big one, but that does not seem inevitable at this point

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:33:47 PM   
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They are both right... each one just had a different experience...


I drive one route and you drive another, but we end up at the same location... was there a "right" way?


I agree. To bad we cant get others to see the same thing.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:38:27 PM   
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Would it entertain to know that each and everyone of us is dying from birth ?

When we go to sleep at night, perhaps we have become complacent that we will awake in the morning ?

We are all dying some slowly some quickly and yes those that are shifting faster than the majority might be in the madness of what to think.

But why think, just let it be, live life to the fullest capacity one can manage and accept whatever is beyond assuming of course the mind once dead is still capable of accepting what lies beyond the veil.


I'm not sure there is anything beyond the veil, but I have an enormous respect for what this man has accomplished despite his disabilities.

I'm not sure I would have the strength to continue under the circumstances he has endured.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:39:10 PM   
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But he does have a disease that reminds him daily of his own mortality in ways I cannot appreciate as an able-bodied healthyperson


Because it makes you feel better to believe that doesn't make it true.


Doesn't make it untrue either. When did you get so uptight and self-righteous an agenda about this? You seem to be taking tips from Sanity.

Is there probably no after life? Yes. Is Stephen Hawking sure? Nope. Are you sure? Nope.

You have your belief as the Christians have theirs, as the Buddhists have theirs, and how the deists have theirs. Get off your self-made pedestal because it looks more like a ditch from here.


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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:40:48 PM   
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Doesn't make it untrue either. When did you get so uptight and self-righteous an agenda about this? You seem to be taking tips from Sanity.

Is there probably no after life? Yes. Is Stephen Hawking sure? Nope. Are you sure? Nope.

You have your belief as the Christians have theirs, as the Buddhists have theirs, and how the deists have theirs. Get off your self-made pedestal because it looks more like a ditch from here.


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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 3:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, you never know what ability a person has despite their predicament. If the mind is alive as his is, perhaps that is what gives him the strength to carry on, the fact that a question must be answered and with that answer another question comes to be answered. His body has failed him, but through modern technology his mind serves us all and that also leads to another question that I personally wonder about, all those who do not possess his education, fame and wealth, what minds they possess. As it strikes me, if the body beyond it's nutritional requirements and expulsion is lost to a person, what is the mind doing, and can it be of use to society given that all it can do with a broken body is think and grind thought, are we missing out on a great potential ?

Perhaps the mind dies when it can no longer reach out or be understood, the fate of so many without education, fame and fortune.

So the moral as I see it, is never mind the primitive he-man that the body needs to be, but the mind is most important, keep that alive and questioning and that will ensure that even if the body dies the person wil remain a use to others.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 4:24:30 PM   
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Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.


Good old Lord/Professor  Hawking Life of the fucking party. You wanna empty out a munch fast just bring him along.


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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 4:26:52 PM   
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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 4:27:02 PM   
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But that's just me.

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RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy s... - 5/17/2011 4:27:05 PM   
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Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.


Good old Lord/Professor  Hawking Life of the fucking party. You wanna empty out a munch fast just bring him along.





If I were at that munch I would wanna be sitting next to him... but I am just geeky like that

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