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WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 6:46:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle For evidence how WOTF "claws at water" in the ME debate, check out this thread. The thread was about a ludicrous allleged threat from an unidentified "Islamist website" against an Apple shop. The site that made the claim - MEMRI - was shown to be an Israeli intelligence operation run by a Colonel in Israeli Intelligence with a long history of running a pro-Zionist agenda by the UK paper, The Guardian. Not the 'interpretation service' it claimed to be. Despite the entire stunt being shown to be an Israeli intelligence propaganda stunt, WOTF stubbornly insisted that we should take the story seriously because it "might" be true. Do they make 'em any more one-eyed or gullible than that? [:D] You dug up a pretty ole post to make an insult and that's a bit strange Darlin'. Da story was shown to be a propaganda stunt by whom??? All you said waz its a "Zionist" site so can't be trusted unlike da good Israeli sources that agree with your POV. [:D] I was basically sayin' that there was reason to believe the story cuze da Apple store building site looked very like da monument in Mecca and there were rumours at the time drink would be served (a big muslim no no) so they would've found the idea an insult. It was even called "Mecca" in articles and there was some expression of anger from muslims online so sorry but its plausible. We are entitled to our own opinions whether you like them or not. [8\|]

tweakabelle -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 7:42:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle For evidence how WOTF "claws at water" in the ME debate, check out this thread. The thread was about a ludicrous allleged threat from an unidentified "Islamist website" against an Apple shop. The site that made the claim - MEMRI - was shown to be an Israeli intelligence operation run by a Colonel in Israeli Intelligence with a long history of running a pro-Zionist agenda by the UK paper, The Guardian. Not the 'interpretation service' it claimed to be. Despite the entire stunt being shown to be an Israeli intelligence propaganda stunt, WOTF stubbornly insisted that we should take the story seriously because it "might" be true. Do they make 'em any more one-eyed or gullible than that? [:D] You dug up a pretty ole post to make an insult and that's a bit strange Darlin'. Da story was shown to be a propaganda stunt by whom??? All you said waz its a "Zionist" site so can't be trusted unlike da good Israeli sources that agree with your POV. [:D] I was basically sayin' that there was reason to believe the story cuze da Apple store building site looked very like da monument in Mecca and there were rumours at the time drink would be served (a big muslim no no) so they would've found the idea an insult. It was even called "Mecca" in articles and there was some expression of anger from muslims online so sorry but its plausible. We are entitled to our own opinions whether you like them or not. [8\|] So you are still saying we should take the nonsense seriously. Thank you for proving my point. If that is "plausible" to you, to me it's yet another reason to dismiss all of your claims in this debate unless backed up fully by evidence from independent sources.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 7:50:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle So you are still saying we should take the nonsense seriously. Thank you for proving my point. If that is "plausible" to you, to me it's yet another reason to regard any of your future claims in this debate to be utterly implausible unless backed up by independent evidence. We are all entitled to our opinions aren't we? Tweak we are talking bout an ole' story! You said it was lies just cause it was a "zionist" source. I only said was that that was not enough reason to disbelieve it and much of da story seemed true for the reasons alread explained. You even got angry!! It's you allowing your prejudice to cloud your judgement but yes you are entitled to your 'pinion too! [8\|]

luckydawg -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:03:08 PM)
WOTF. If you feel up for it, explore what Tweak considers "unbiased". Its a hoot.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:08:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg WOTF. If you feel up for it, explore what Tweak considers "unbiased". Its a hoot. Bias is relative. She is unbiased compared to, say, a 12 year old who's been brainwashed in an Iranian school her whole life.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:13:13 PM)
Twaek doesn't pretend to be Unbiased, just that the sources she uses are. She has freely admited she is motivated by Hatred of Israel. And that some actors in the region view the Protocols as valid and true , even stating so in thier charter, is irrelevant. But those are all totally unrelated....

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:18:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Twaek doesn't pretend to be Unbiased, just that the sources she uses are. She has freely admited she is motivated by Hatred of Israel. And that some actors in the region view the Protocols as valid and true , even stating so in thier charter, is irrelevant. But those are all totally unrelated.... I missed that... would you find the quote that proves she hates Israel? Thanks in advanced

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Twaek doesn't pretend to be Unbiased, just that the sources she uses are. She has freely admited she is motivated by Hatred of Israel. And that some actors in the region view the Protocols as valid and true , even stating so in thier charter, is irrelevant. But those are all totally unrelated.... I mustve missed that admission. Though I guess her claim of advocating "justice for both sides" fits well with that, since justice in her mind means annhilation of Israel.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:22:47 PM)
quote: ince justice in her mind means annhilation of Israel. Please find some quote from tweakabelle to prove this assertion... Thanks in advance!

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:23:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ince justice in her mind means annhilation of Israel. Please find some quote from tweakabelle to prove this assertion... Thanks in advance! Every post she has ever made on the topic. You have a search function.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:25:40 PM)
quote: Every post she has ever made on the topic. You have a search function. I have read every post (practically) that she has made on the subject. She has never said she hated Israel, she has never said she wanted their annihilation... you are a liar

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Every post she has ever made on the topic. You have a search function. I have read every post (practically) that she has made on the subject. She has never said she hated Israel, she has never said she wanted their annihilation... you are a liar I didnt claim she did say that. Luckydawg did. I never said she SAID she wanted their annhilation. I said what she ADVOCATES ENSURES it. But you arent knowledgable enough on the topic to understand that. Found that "chosen people" thing yet? Didnt think so.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:32:37 PM)
You are a very sad person. You actually think seeking peace will only end in destruction. History proves you wrong time and again. There are many people who used to think England and France would never make peace, for example... Sooner or later people have to make peace, or they will cease to exist.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania You are a very sad person. You actually think seeking peace will only end in destruction. History proves you wrong time and again. There are many people who used to think England and France would never make peace, for example... Sooner or later people have to make peace, or they will cease to exist. That you even mention England/France as analagous to Israel/Islam shows that you are still clueless on the topic.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:37:34 PM)
History is full of bitter enemies making peace. If you think that Israel is somehow different from the rest of humanity, please tell me why you think they fall outside the entire human race paradigm.

tweakabelle -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:38:34 PM)
quote: She has freely admited she is motivated by Hatred of Israel. Prove that LIAR. I have never made any such admission nor will I ever. It is not my position. Never has been. Never will be. I have consistently agreed with Israel's right to exist within its internationally recognised borders in peace and security. * I have no time for Israeli policies towards the Palestinians - but that is not what you are saying. So find something to back it up, post it so everyone can see or prove yourself to be the liar that everyone here knows you are. * If anyone is in any doubt, please check out my posts #22/57/64/91/119/129 on this thread all of which implicitly or explicitly support a two-state solution. My position is stated explicitly in post #39 here also

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:39:40 PM)
They just like to spew bullshit and then retreat.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 8:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania History is full of bitter enemies making peace. If you think that Israel is somehow different from the rest of humanity, please tell me why you think they fall outside the entire human race paradigm. I dont think Israel is different. Now follow the dots.

tweakabelle -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 9:03:09 PM)
quote: I dont think Israel is different. Now follow the dots. Following the dots: France ....... Germany .... long time enemies .... currently close friends Ireland ..... England ...... long time enemies .....currently close friends Apartheid Sth Africa .... current Sth Africa .... whites and blacks were long time enemies .... now co-existing peacefully Republican Nthrn Ireland ...... Loyalist Nthrn Ireland ....long time enemies .... now co-existing peacefully Stick to playing with your war toys Wilbur. That doesn't require any brain power at all. Ideal for you.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines (5/27/2011 9:07:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: I dont think Israel is different. Now follow the dots. Following the dots: France ....... Germany .... long time enemies .... currently close friends Ireland ..... England ...... long time enemies .....currently close friends Apartheid Sth Africa .... current Sth Africa .... whites and blacks were long time enemies .... now co-existing peacefully Republican Nthrn Ireland ...... Loyalist Nthrn Ireland ....long time enemies .... now co-existing peacefully Stick to playing with your war toys Wilbur. That doesn't require any brain power at all. Ideal for you. Wrong dots, surprise surprise surprise.

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