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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/19/2011 10:06:57 PM   
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Ignoring one's sub is, unfortunately, a very common punishment in the online world of desk top doms and wannabes. A good and experienced dominant knows ignoring your sub is one of the harshest punishments there is, and only does it as a lost resort, and with due warning (i.e."If you continue in this manner, I shall have to ignore you for the rest of the evening").

I see by your profile you say "hopefully still under consideration," which leads me to believe you and your dom have been having issues and there is now a total break down of communication.

Perhaps if you could elaborate more on what the issues are, we could know better how to respond?





This, and if I were in a situation where I did not even know if I was in a relationship with someone because they used abandonment as a form of control, well lets just say I have the tshirt from such relationships, and I burned it and buried it and my second D/s relationship was much more healthy because I learned that for me that shit was unacceptable

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/19/2011 10:13:05 PM   
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You're not really being ignored until he has his fingers in his ears and is saying "lalalalalalalalalalalal"

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 1:04:33 AM   
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There's a fine line between ignoring your sub as a specific punishment, and just playing online mind games. If he has left you in a state of confusion and uncertainty without explaining what he is doing, why he is doing it and how long for, then he is just playing mind games. I would dump his ass and 'ignore' him next time he decides to talk to you.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 2:51:37 AM   
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only had it used 3 times its never given without full expliantion why and how long. once when we were online. i was being bratty and im not a bratty person. i had to log off not text or email him either and was told i could log back on at a certain time in teh morning and then we would talk. and twice since we were together i was sent to the bedroom again told why and how long and he would come to get me out. then he held me and we talked. its about the worst punishment and he also dislikes it. but its quick and sharp both times were only about 15 mins but felt like a year

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 4:03:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jenisub

have a problem and I would like to know as I am new to this..... Is ignoring a sub common as punishment? How am I supposed to react ? Beg? go away? Or wait?


If, by "ignore", you mean temporarily withdraw attention from my girl as a punishment, then yes, I certainly do it. But it's a realtime, set structure and not some online bullshit thing.

I "ignore" her by frog-marching her to a convenient corner and planting her there until I've cooled down from whatever it was she did to make me angry in the first place. About 15 minutes usually does the trick (cool down and be ready to discuss it) and she's rarely out of my sight, anyway.

She is a "non-person" for that time and the only way she can make it right is to wait for me to come and get her.

But I'm guessing you're getting the extended silent treatment from some fool you've likely never even met? The lesson there is to dump his sorry arse...!

Welcome to the Forums, anyway.... :)

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 6:19:30 AM   
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Because she hasn't returned to this, I'll just make the assumption that Focus is correct in what's happening. It was my first thought when I read this post.

He's probably married.

If he's not answering emails and you have no other way to reach him --- well... then... time to put the pieces together and get a clue. Move on, find someone you can meet face to face and understands what a relationship is likely to be.


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jenisub

have a problem and I would like to know as I am new to this..... Is ignoring a sub common as punishment? How am I supposed to react ? Beg? go away? Or wait?


If, by "ignore", you mean temporarily withdraw attention from my girl as a punishment, then yes, I certainly do it. But it's a realtime, set structure and not some online bullshit thing.

I "ignore" her by frog-marching her to a convenient corner and planting her there until I've cooled down from whatever it was she did to make me angry in the first place. About 15 minutes usually does the trick (cool down and be ready to discuss it) and she's rarely out of my sight, anyway.

She is a "non-person" for that time and the only way she can make it right is to wait for me to come and get her.

But I'm guessing you're getting the extended silent treatment from some fool you've likely never even met? The lesson there is to dump his sorry arse...!

Welcome to the Forums, anyway.... :)

Focus.




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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 6:23:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jenisub

have a problem and I would like to know as I am new to this..... Is ignoring a sub common as punishment? How am I supposed to react ? Beg? go away? Or wait?


I do this for the following reasons:

1) You've lost my interest.  Come back when you have something more to offer than compliments.

2) I'm thinking about something else and need you to shut the fuck up.

3) I just woke up.


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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 6:49:08 AM   
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i cant be ignored to be honest.  the more im ignored the more likely i am to swing my ass in a direction it shouldnt go and with no small amount of attitude attached to the gesture.

if its working on you then he's making his point, whatever that point is.  i have to shrug here, its hopeless to suggest anything about this because we just dont know enough about it.

if this is online then its possibly the most effective approach since he knows for sure youre suffering. 

in the end with all of these things you have to look at what you did, why it pissed him off, if its hitting the target or just making you cross and resistant.  hopefully he will give you a chance to talk to him about it afterwards.

right now, if youre still around to read this and depending on how much you like this guy and how much you accept you brought this upon youreself id suggest you sit it out and see where it goes.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 3:42:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jenisub

have a problem and I would like to know as I am new to this..... Is ignoring a sub common as punishment? How am I supposed to react ? Beg? go away? Or wait?



How would you like to react? How much time is invested in the relationship? Have you met face to face?

Personally, ignore me, and I will go away. No begging, no waiting. If one complains about my health issues, which lately feels like a new body part or function fails with regularity, then I would use what little strength I had left to beat his sorry ass for being....well, a sorry ass.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 4:08:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jenisub

have a problem and I would like to know as I am new to this..... Is ignoring a sub common as punishment? How am I supposed to react ? Beg? go away? Or wait?


I do this for the following reasons:

1) You've lost my interest.  Come back when you have something more to offer than compliments.

2) I'm thinking about something else and need you to shut the fuck up.

3) I just woke up.




I read 1) fast and thought it said "when you have something more to offer than complaints," and I was nodding my head in sympathy, thinking of all the dominants I know that this happens to. Maybe I should have paid more attention to who was writing the post?

Seriously, I understand the problem with compliments...I think. I've always hated them, they embarrass me and seem exaggerated and untrue. I wonder at the complimenter's motives, particularly when they gush. It's really creepy on a personals site when a stranger who doesn't know you tells you things about yourself that they assume from reading your profile or ad--but they aren't actually true about you at all. Compliments close me toward the dominant writer because he's attempting the wrong sort of manipulation, the kind you might use with a non-submissive, and a vain non-submissive at that. Bah, who needs it? (Not I, sez the shy!)

Dominants I've known personally tended to like compliments from me. Maybe that's because I seem to naturally fall in with the arrogant ones? :p I observe closely and am careful about how I word them: sincerity, accuracy, and eloquence (often inspired, if I really like them) all play a part. I compliment because I want them to know how great I think they are. I occasionally do this with relative strangers as well, but they get a very light touch (some perceive it as heavy, but they have no idea.)

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/20/2011 5:48:59 PM   
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When some random nobody I don't know gives me a compliment that I am fully aware of I reply with a, "Yawn."


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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 4:41:21 AM   
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Oh now Roman you've got me thinking.....dangerous.

Compliments, something I often do not take as sincere, or even if sincere, more a reflection of the other person rather than me. Because, usually it about my looks. I am used to that. My looks have very little to do with anything spectacular I have done, it's just the genetic dice roll I got. Since I feel that way about them coming my way, I rarely give them.

When I give a compliment, guaranteed it is sincere and it is usually, nearly never, about looks. I figure they've already heard that a million times. I would be complimenting on something they have more control over, a choice they've made, possibly a difficult one, something I see as valuable.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 7:03:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh now Roman you've got me thinking.....dangerous.

Compliments, something I often do not take as sincere, or even if sincere, more a reflection of the other person rather than me. Because, usually it about my looks. I am used to that. My looks have very little to do with anything spectacular I have done, it's just the genetic dice roll I got. Since I feel that way about them coming my way, I rarely give them.

When I give a compliment, guaranteed it is sincere and it is usually, nearly never, about looks. I figure they've already heard that a million times. I would be complimenting on something they have more control over, a choice they've made, possibly a difficult one, something I see as valuable.


Uh oh, thinking can be dangerous to one's health! Or so I've been told.

Your perspective on compliments toward you sounds a lot like NocturnalStalker's: you both "Yawn" at the obvious. It's sensible and seems a no-brainer, once you think about it: good-looking people are used to getting compliments on their looks and therefore those compliments are relatively meaningless. (Perhaps even negative if the person is submissive and is struggling with ego: they don't need or want anything inflating it.) And yet, when we see an attractive person, even if we're aware of all these facts, the first impulse most of us have is to tell them they are attractive, as if the valuation of a stranger matters in the least to them. It's such a knee-jerk reaction though, I have to wonder if it's got some sort of biological value as a mating stratagem.

I agree that the smart thing to do, if you're going to compliment someone you do not know well, is to compliment them on something non-physical, something like a talent or skill, or personality trait, or, like you said, a difficult choice, that they've probably had to work to achieve, and not something like looks, which they had no say in designing or sculpting. Sometimes those who aren't particularly attractive imagine it would be wonderful if people complimented them about their looks all the time. They don't realize that it would be similar to walking around on two legs, like the majority of us do, and having strangers come up to you constantly, saying, "God, look at you! Walking on two legs! That's just incredible! Such a stride you have, too." People, though, are struck by beauty, not just in other people, obviously, but wherever they see it. And when they are struck by it, they often feel a need to comment on it, whether it be a sunset; an astonishing work of art or passage of text; a beautiful face or a remarkable personality.

Compliments, of any sort, do often mean what you said above: somebody wants something from you. They are a common form of manipulation or attention-transaction: "I say something nice to you and in gratitude you should do what I want (usually what they want is only attention back or praise for complimenting them, but it's still manipulation). I like to ask permission before I start to compliment a dominant, sound them out about it. Some of them respond very negatively to compliments, perhaps because they view them as an attempt by the submissive to manipulate but also sometimes because they have personality "issues" they haven't worked through yet. I used to encounter such types sometimes when I had a personal ad up. I'm not very compatible with those personalities. I really love to "sing the praises of my lord," it is such a natural and gratifying way to express submissive worship. It would be hard for me to get used to being enslaved to someone who disliked worship. I'd probably learn to manage it, although my need to worship them would probably try to come out in noverbal ways...not that it doesn't do that already! But I guess I am saying that if denied a voice, I would try to initiate the non-speech stuff even more.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 10:29:17 AM   
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I know this is about "Ask A Master" but I felt compelled to answer.

I was serving a Master who was several states away from me and who decided to ignore me, "...no contact until further notice". It was for, what I felt anyway, a minor infraction (a lack of check in due to being at a doctor's appointment). I tried to explain respectfully but no go. It was the beginning of the end for U/us because several days into it, He had a new submissive that He was considering for service, call me to discuss His "punishment" and unbeknownst to me at the time, He had done a 3-way call with Him on the third line to see how I was faring.

I have separation anxiety and this is by far the harshest punishment I can imagine. It causes a breakdown in communication, creates a lack of trust and, at least for me, becomes the "Beginning of the End". I think that if used as an ultimate punishment, an end time is definitely the way to go. Just as children are sent to sit in a corner 'for ten minutes', giving a time frame is a much more constructive method if using this as the final straw.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 11:31:42 AM   
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quote:

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I know this is about "Ask A Master" but I felt compelled to answer.

I was serving a Master who was several states away from me and who decided to ignore me, "...no contact until further notice". It was for, what I felt anyway, a minor infraction (a lack of check in due to being at a doctor's appointment). I tried to explain respectfully but no go. It was the beginning of the end for U/us because several days into it, He had a new submissive that He was considering for service, call me to discuss His "punishment" and unbeknownst to me at the time, He had done a 3-way call with Him on the third line to see how I was faring.

I have separation anxiety and this is by far the harshest punishment I can imagine. It causes a breakdown in communication, creates a lack of trust and, at least for me, becomes the "Beginning of the End". I think that if used as an ultimate punishment, an end time is definitely the way to go. Just as children are sent to sit in a corner 'for ten minutes', giving a time frame is a much more constructive method if using this as the final straw.


You need to try to think of this as doing you a favor, because it showed you what a douchebag he really was before you got any more emotionally invested. Punishing someone in any manner for something that happened that was truly beyond their reasonable control (I mean, sure, you could stand up in the stirrups and run out of the room with the gown flapping to check in on time, sure ) is just plain stupid. Sounds like the Masterly One already had another one on the line and was looking for any excuse to go reel it in, while keeping you on the back burner in case it didn't work out.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 12:29:18 PM   
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(I mean, sure, you could stand up in the stirrups and run out of the room with the gown flapping to check in on time, sure )


haha thank you for the awesome visual.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 7:33:40 PM   
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With my x it meant not talking to the normal times he would have called me because I'd made him mad an he didn't feel like dealing with me. It never resolved anything, and made things worse.


It's now a hard limit, and a relationship ender for the one I am in a relationship with to purposely decide to disapere for a while with out even a heads up that I was in trouble.
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I really have never quite understood what people mean by being *ignored*. But it's never, ever, nor would it be used as a *punishment* here. In general, if there's a problem of some kind, it requires MORE dialogue, not less.



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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/21/2011 8:07:30 PM   
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Don't forget the can't heaaaaaaaaar youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu that comes after lalalalalala
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You're not really being ignored until he has his fingers in his ears and is saying "lalalalalalalalalalalal"


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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/22/2011 4:55:02 AM   
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I'm sorry, but if anyone ignores me, I'm outta there.  I've had this happen in a vanilla setting, and hated it then.  I will not stand for it now.  Communication is as important to me as trust.  Shutting me out is not an option.

Just to clarify, ignoring me would entail not responding to my messages, emails, etc.  Things such as Focus described, or taking time out to cool off is not ignoring me.  Doms aren't the only ones who have hot heads......I will simply speak my mind, and the results are better if I'm not upset while doing it.

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RE: Ignore your sub? - 5/22/2011 5:46:07 AM   
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It has been MY experience, and much of what they write on the forums only underlines it............that many, if not most, people that identify as submissive or slave are actually very selfish and needy people. Threads like this only emphasize.

In my world, that doesn't fly. If something/one else, requires my full attention, then other things/persons are going to pay the price. It is part of understanding the world, being a mature adult, and most importantly, it is part of serving and submitting.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 5/22/2011 5:47:53 AM >


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