RE: When other roles/dynamics are in contradiction to your own view of the natural order of things..

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MsD -> RE: When other roles/dynamics are in contradiction to your own view of the natural order of things.. (5/14/2006 8:48:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam other things are natural for other people. Natural Order doesn't have to be limited to one road. It can be a braid of several. stands & applauds! if only folks could apply this to any & all aspects of their lives ....

artglfr -> RE: When other roles/dynamics are in contradiction to your own view of the natural order of things... (5/14/2006 9:00:45 AM)
The chief dynamic I have trouble with is ones who state "I am not able to find Doms/Mistresses etc. who meet MY criteria!" My take on this is usually they are eliminating some very good people because they are limiting responses. I am Dominant who sometimes Switches having once been a very happy submissive. I never set myself up for failure by saying I will not play with this type person unless that person has proven to me to be untrustworty or I have seen them play and know I will not be compatible. I am fortunate to be able to play with many people some of who in R/L I wouldn't want to be around. In the World of Kink they are very good players. Why limit myself? If I am not going to collar someone, why not enjoy them at Kink events and allow them to serve and for both of us to have fun. This way someone who may be compatible with either one of us may see the Play and decide to talk to either of us later so we may all gain from something that a lot of people may have never allowed to happen in the first place. I feel so many of the "Do not respond to ME unless..." people probably turn off the ones who may have been perfect for them but decide if this sub is this demanding at this stage they are probably a SAMMY and way too much trouble. Does this make any sense to anyone else?

artglfr -> RE: When other roles/dynamics are in contradiction to your own view of the natural order of things... (5/14/2006 9:11:29 AM)
I guess from my point of view I don't understand why the idea of a male slave is confusing to you? I would explain relationships almost verbatum how you did. With one flip. Take the example of mowing the lawn. A female sub would watch her master mowing the lawn and think "he's so masculine and dreamy with the sweat glistening on his body, let me make some cold lemonade to serve him." A Domme would watch her male sub doing the exact same thing and maybe have some of the exact same feelings. With one difference...the male sub likely made and laid out the lemonade in advance of doing the lawn as well as set up a chair for his mistress to admire him doing manly things. She is sitting there thinking that she's fortunate to have a man so devoted to his service to her; you're thinking how lucky you are to have such a strong master...exact same coin just different points of view of the exact same situation. Excellent !!! Very well phrased and thought out. Makes much sense to me.

akisha -> RE: When other roles/dynamics are in contradiction to your own view of the natural order of things... (5/14/2006 10:45:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists I do not believe in a universal "natural order" of male dominance and female submission. The world is made up of individual people and for me to think that we should all fall into these specific categories of dominance and submission discounts the individuality of people. I do not have a difficult time understanding switches either; to me it seems perfectly natural. For me, I am more interested in celebrating our differences rather than thinking that we should all fall into specific dynamics. Knight's kyra I totally agree with kyra on this. As individuals, we all do what we need to do to fullfill our lives. I assume a man submits to find the same joy, peace and fullfilment in his life as any female submissive would. Same for the Dominant men and women. They do what they must to complete their lives as they want to. I have great respect for Switches. They have have the ability and the joy of experiences both side of the spectrum. I tried to "Top" once LOL and learned it just is not in me to do out side of a career setting. but that is my dynamic as an indivudual. People do not fit into nice little boxes with neat little labels. As a society, not just in BDSM, but all people need to realize this.

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