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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 8:48:24 PM   
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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 8:50:43 PM   
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I really think Obama was elected because he was the lesser of the two evils we had to choose from. McCain had to know choosing Palin as his running mate was shooting him self in the foot.


I really think Obama was elected because he came off as more presidential and hip. The groovy guy almost always gets the vote. Bush was way cooler than Kerry or Gore. Reagan was hands down cooler than Carter, JFK over Nixon, Clinton won, Dole lost .. and the list goes on. At least in modern, television elections.

Rock stars are to Americans as Royals are to our cousins across the pond.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 8:55:23 PM   
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Really, being called a cocksucker is only offensive if a person thinks sucking cock is bad, or being gay is bad. If you do not think blow jobs are bad, and you do not think being gay is bad, why would it upset you to be called a cocksucker? I have been called a lesbian by right wingers on the internet on more than one occasions, it didn't bother me... it would be like calling me a brunette, or short. I am not a brunette and I am not short..

K so Julia, you're a short brunette cocksucking/blow-jobbing lesbian! Offended? "No", well good then.

The above is not to offend but to illustrate that it is not simply an issue of whether a given person doesn't mind the word but how the word is said, and by whom as in the intention if it was to offend or not. If a homophobe screams "faggot" at a homosexual then it is a very different experience to being OK with the word normally being used. A person could say "hello" in an ugly way and it could cause offense.



I could say hello in the kindest, sweetest of ways. If someone wants to find offence, they will. Sure, someone could toss out "tea bagger" and mean it in a demeaning manner. When that lil old 72 year old lady uses it, I dont snigger, there are no laughs. She means just what she says.. she is part of the tea bag movement, as she puts it. And when I walk up to her and give her a hug, and tell her she is my favorite tea bagger, she smiles wide and swears she will convert me eventually.

Now, at that, I laugh. How do you tell a 72 year old lady that you have been a tea bagger for years?

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I see.......the tea-baggers seeking Obama`s birth certificate weren`t being demeaning ass-holes, showing contempt for American values.......


They were good citizens just showing their benevolent concern for America`s welfare......






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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:03:38 PM   
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Really, being called a cocksucker is only offensive if a person thinks sucking cock is bad, or being gay is bad. If you do not think blow jobs are bad, and you do not think being gay is bad, why would it upset you to be called a cocksucker? I have been called a lesbian by right wingers on the internet on more than one occasions, it didn't bother me... it would be like calling me a brunette, or short. I am not a brunette and I am not short..

K so Julia, you're a short brunette cocksucking/blow-jobbing lesbian! Offended? "No", well good then.

The above is not to offend but to illustrate that it is not simply an issue of whether a given person doesn't mind the word but how the word is said, and by whom as in the intention if it was to offend or not. If a homophobe screams "faggot" at a homosexual then it is a very different experience to being OK with the word normally being used. A person could say "hello" in an ugly way and it could cause offense.

I could say hello in the kindest, sweetest of ways. If someone wants to find offence, they will. Sure, someone could toss out "tea bagger" and mean it in a demeaning manner. When that lil old 72 year old lady uses it, I dont snigger, there are no laughs. She means just what she says.. she is part of the tea bag movement, as she puts it. And when I walk up to her and give her a hug, and tell her she is my favorite tea bagger, she smiles wide and swears she will convert me eventually.

Now, at that, I laugh. How do you tell a 72 year old lady that you have been a tea bagger for years?

Yea communication is a complex thing. There's the word, the sentence in which it is placed, who says it, how it is said and how the other person recieves it. WTF its a fucking minefield! Having said that I can sorta understand tea-baggers being offended by the term. Surely though you wouldn't be so much a tea-bagger as a tea-baggee?

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:06:33 PM   
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The bottom line,literally,is no amount of tax policy tweaking is going to produce revenue out of thin air.

If we`re going to spend the money,the bill must be payed,no matter what.Either through collecting the enough tax to cover our bills or spend less.



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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:16:27 PM   
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Yea communication is a complex thing. There's the word, the sentence in which it is placed, who says it, how it is said and how the other person recieves it. WTF its a fucking minefield! Having said that I can sorta understand tea-baggers being offended by the term. Surely though you wouldn't be so much a tea-bagger as a tea-baggee?


Dont recall any of the men having a problem with me being a baggee to their bagger.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:18:10 PM   
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The bottom line,literally,is no amount of tax policy tweaking is going to produce revenue out of thin air.

If we`re going to spend the money,the bill must be payed,no matter what.Either through collecting the enough tax to cover our bills or spend less.



Thats the crux of the problem that no one seems to want to address.

Its become like a shell game. Lets hide what we dont want to deal with.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:31:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ask any tea-bagger what government programs they want to cut,SS,Medicare,VA,law enforcement etc. and you`ll get no answer or a non-answer,like let`s "cut welfare".Just not THEIR welfare.

One sign I remember from the "summer of outrage" tea-bagger events was poster held by an elderly woman saying,"keep your government hands off my medicare"

That`s the level that Cain is shooting for.


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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:46:58 PM   
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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 9:59:58 PM   
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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 10:34:34 PM   
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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 11:12:10 PM   
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Didn't see you mention anything about the prebate, which is a check everyone gets to offset their taxes in this idea.

When I came to the understanding that his concept of reality as it relates to the US Debt is: Cut Spending and Taxes and that will cut the Debt as fast as we are doing it now. That was enough to say "this guy is an idiot".

So, if everyone is getting a check, to offset the taxes, isn't that a 'GOVERMENT HANDOUT'? Something conservatives often always against. So if the goverment is taking in less money, how does that help reduce the deficit? GWB screwed up back in 2000, by creating the deficit and then expanding goverment. And who elected him to office a second time for this 'awesome performance of economic genius'? Conservatives.

You forget, like so many tea-baggers, neo-cons and libertians, that reducing taxes does not reduce spending automatically. And if you think Democrats will simply give this guy what he wants....your in for a shock.

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You are only taxed at the retail level, and some things such as foods would be exempt. The idea is that those people that pay $200 for a pair of sneakers will pay more tax than those that pay $20 at Wal Mart.

Really? Someone who pays $200 (or a $180 more) the the other guy buying from Wal-Mart would pay more under Cain's system? News flash for you dude....they ALREADY pay more in taxes for something that cost $200 than $20. So how is that an improvement? And if we dont buy retail (which this tax targets) but wholesale/bulk, does that mean we dont pay taxes all together? If THAT was true (which I doubt), how fast would Cain be thrown out of office for being dumber then GWB?

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This does not include capturing all the taxes from those that have jobs that do not report income; such as legal jobs where there are a lot of cash tips going on, to illegal jobs such as drug dealers, prostitution, etc.

So, all those folks doing illegal stuff do not pay taxes? I suppose next, your going to tell me those illegal immigrants get the 'Illegal Immigrant' rule of not having to pay taxes on stuff they buy.....like food, alcohol, gas, tobacco, etc? I hate to be the one to inform you of reality: everyone pays the taxes on gas for the autos, the food they consume and the tobacco they smoke.

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Those people will eventually need to spend that money, and get taxed, rather than now where they avoid taxes.

Yes under Cain's plan, people will spend less at the retail level for good reason. That will only hurt US Business even further then it is now. Again, this Cain fellow is not giving me a whole lot of confidence he has a clue what he's talking about. And he wants to represent us? To the world? I dont think so.

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With over 50% of working US Americans living paycheck to paycheck, we simply can't afford him. He really didn't have any answer at all as to how that was supposed to lower our debt but did say he would surround himself with those in the know which is going to be exactly the same folks who have been entrenched in DC for a very long time.

You really did not give an accurate description of the 'Fair Tax", and I recommend anyone that wants more information go to fairtax.org.

Newsflash OTW....neither did YOU! You gave some website's address. How many variants of the 'fair tax' concept are floating on the internet? One for every conservative fruitcake. When someone mentions 'Fair Tax' that really means a lot of different things, on different levels, to different people. But here's something to help you understand it: Why do rich people want a Fair Tax? What would they possibily gain from it? Is it so they can give their accountants a day off, because things will be easier?


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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 11:19:32 PM   
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Need more conservative/tea-bagger signs? Back in the run up to the Affordable Care Act of 2010, conservatives held numerous rallies to protest what the Democrats were doing. Someone picked up on many of the signs, protesters were using to show the educational level of the group. The author stated else were, that people were sending him so many that he ran out of room (or something to that effect). So he posted the 'best of the best'.

You can find them here!

While the signs are funny, the stuff people posted in reply are even more amusing.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/22/2011 11:38:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it amusing that a group of people benefiting from a program, started by the Democrats, which is very socialized in nature (yeah, I admit to that) were complaining about government keeping their hands off.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/23/2011 5:00:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Newsflash Joe, try reading fairtax.org and get your facts straight. If you cannot follow simple reason that those with more money will spend more, and there for pay more taxes, nothing I can say will help that.

There was a comment about not producing revenue out of thin air, when in fact if you can get those that are not paying any taxes (unreported tips, criminals, etc.) you will in fact bring in tax revenue that was not being brought in before.

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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/23/2011 5:23:24 AM   
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Especially funny in light of the leftists "crash the tea party" websites vowing to infiltrate Tea Party protests with fake signs...

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3163457

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3321370

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I find it amusing that a group of people benefiting from a program, started by the Democrats, which is very socialized in nature (yeah, I admit to that) were complaining about government keeping their hands off.


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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/23/2011 5:33:25 AM   
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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/23/2011 5:53:45 AM   
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How cons are trying to gain traction on race by featuring this black nut or Cornel West`s criticism of President Obama is telling.

Why all the focus on the guys racial make-up?

Why the need to?

You really have to ask that after we elected the current president based almost completely on his racial make up?  Or do you really want to try to make the case that a community organizing Senator from Illinois was better qualified and had more experience than either Hillary or McCain?

Hardly. America elects Obama...because he is black ? Now that's a hoot...very funny indeed. Easy to look at it the other way and with much more plausibility. Oh and clearly he had enough experience because neither Hillary or McCain had done anymore. Oh and Kimmy Carter was much more the man and equally or a better president than Lord Ronny. What the fuck did Reagan do...I haven't figured that out yet.

Imagine if you can a country still with some serious racial problems, a solid racist minority whose chief complaint about Obama is in .fact that he is black...was elected in America because of how so thoroughly fed up it had become with the 8 Bush/6 repub years. I credit that abysmal, incompetent, air-headed cowboy for getting a black man elected in America.

Then just as the nazis did, the right tries to marginalize his influence by questioning his patriotism, his birth, he's a muslim, he's conspiring to turn America into an Islamic Caliphate...and so on.

Want a real good sample ?

If Obama weren't black...he’d be a tour guide in Honolulu.”

Obama wouldn’t have given the order to take out the Somali pirates if he had known they were “actually young black Muslim teenagers.”

Obama has disowned his white half . . . he’s decided to go all in on the black side.”

In “Obama’s America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering”

Obama is “more African in his roots than he is American” and is “behaving like an Afican colonial despot."


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RE: The trouble with Herman Cain - 5/23/2011 6:19:05 AM   
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Funny how that works aint it

I think they called Powell all of those things and more as he was serving under W

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I find it interesting that the same people who claim any disagreement with a leftest black is dismissed as racism are the first ones to attack black conservatives as tokens Uncle Toms and race traitors.  They say that GOP needs to include more blacks but then says they don't count because they are GOP.  Only leftest think they can have it both ways.



Well, I would find that interesting too, if it were true.

Please demonstrate (either one of you factual people)  with a credible citation where some commonly agreed leftist called this guy an Uncle Tom (which if you knew that story would be a very large misnomer to call a black person as a derogative) or a race traitor.

And insure you do, or apologize,  or slink away, no more mulligans for lying.


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