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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

He's an oddball.  Never held elective office, a black man more conservative than mainstream GOP.  He's got no chance in Hell, but hopefully he'll add some flavor to a bland GOP race.

Black President, black GOP challenger... amazing how much has changed in just a few short years.

Black GOP primary challengers is far from a recent change.

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believe the Churchillian staetment that if you aren't a liberal at 20 you don't have a heart and if you aren't a conservative at 40 you don't have a brain.

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Is that bad? I don't quite understand why common sense combined with someone who stands for the issues which are important to you can't be found in one body. Wouldn't you vote for someone who did both for you?

Or, maybe it's just me. I'm bi that way.

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Alan Keyes. Good point. He's pretty forgettable... Let's see if Cain can get further than he did.

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believe the Churchillian staetment that if you aren't a liberal at 20 you don't have a heart and if you aren't a conservative at 40 you don't have a brain.

You CAN'T be fucking serious.. Sir Winston Churchill wasn't being 'Churchilliian' or Churchilling Out' about ANYTHING to do with American Liberalism. He was talking about a formal party in the UK called the Liberal Party.
   But I dunno, perhaps you've got some wealth of understanding that links the two movements together in some deeper way than there being a coincidence between the naming of a party in a kingdom and an ideological movement in an entirely different country. But I think  your use is a lot more like defining US Republicans as Socialists because the call China the People's Republic of China.
    This is pretty good example of the obfuscation that Julia was speaking to.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Better Palin one heartbeat away than Obama zero heartbeats away.

Death threat?

Inablility to read?

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Alan Keyes.  Good point.  He's pretty forgettable... Let's see if Cain can get further than he did.

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I find it interesting that the same people who claim any disagreement with a leftest black is dismissed as racism are the first ones to attack black conservatives as tokens Uncle Toms and race traitors.  They say that GOP needs to include more blacks but then says they don't count because they are GOP.  Only leftest think they can have it both ways.

I consider myself left leaning... show me where I have ever come close to saying anything like that.

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It seems his answer to dealing with the huge US debt we have is to lower taxes.

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It seems his answer to dealing with the huge US debt we have is to lower taxes.

From what I read, that's not exactly accurate. He wants to do away with all fed income tax and lower corp tax by 10% while instituting a national flat sales tax of 23%. This would effectively lower taxes for the wealthy but it is likely to be detrimental to the working poor, college students and those on a fixed income who are barely making ends meet and still have local sales tax and state income tax to pay. For those with minimal or even zero tax liability, this will increase their taxes. So, the plan is to actually lower taxes for the rich and raise them for the poor for those who can least afford it.

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With over 50% of working US Americans living paycheck to paycheck, we simply can't afford him. He really didn't have any answer at all as to how that was supposed to lower our debt but did say he would surround himself with those in the know which is going to be exactly the same folks who have been entrenched in DC for a very long time.

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Obama already found out how hard it is to get shit done and said as much. Cain will, no doubt, run into that road block as well.

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As for the crack about his BC, on that score, I agree whole-heartedly with Obama. It's trivial and silly and we can certainly do without it and get on with the business of trying to pull this country out of a pit that has our unborn already in the poor house.

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How cons are trying to gain traction on race by featuring this black nut or Cornel West`s criticism of President Obama is telling.

Why all the focus on the guys racial make-up?

Why the need to?

You really have to ask that after we elected the current president based almost completely on his racial make up?  Or do you really want to try to make the case that a community organizing Senator from Illinois was better qualified and had more experience than either Hillary or McCain?

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Wow,a double hit.Someone has some thin skin.

I know I didn`t vote for him b/c President Obama was black(actually half-black half white).

I seem to recall that the racial slurs,race baiting and racial code words came from the rightists.

I voted for President Obama b/c he was a super-star....like Paris Hilton......

Isn`t that what the cons told us?

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You mean other than back on page 2 of this thread where you congratulated my honesty for using the term 'racist' to describe Republicans?  I mean, come on, at least pick another THREAD before making ridiculous statements like this. 

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You know, tazzy, I really should warn you... I may be new to this forum, but I'm not new to political forums in general. Indeed this place is a pale shadow of the forum where I cut my teeth.

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The simple truth is, my earlier statement wasn't an attempt at sarcasm - it was mockery. Your response was EXACTLY what I was hoping for. See, liberals have a HUGE blind spot for their own bigotry.

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Simply put, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to believe that liberals can be bigots in any way.

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Even when they use pejorative terms like "tea-bagger" and "Yukon Barbie."

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It comes from never really engaging in any self-examination

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f you were capable of understanding why using 'tea-bagger' as a pejorative for Republicans is homophobic (and it is), you wouldn't have fallen into my trap

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I was a registered independent

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You really need to learn about sarcasm, dear.

If you dont want to be the brunt of it, then dont let yourself open to it.

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As far as my "believing" what you said in that post was true... I could only believe it was true about yourself, since you were the one posting it.

People like Rich, I happen to respect a great deal, regardless of his political affiliation.

Yes, some of us do respect each other. Drop the pot shots and the silly attempts at your idea of sarcastic wit and you may find that level of respect as well.

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And this is supposed to do what? Scare me? Make me cower in fear?

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So you say now. Im not bigoted towards Republicans, I have respect for many of them. I have respect for Democrats. I have respect for independents. What I dont have respect for is someone who wants to treat everything with "sarcasm/mockery" then attack.

Doesnt matter where you cut your teeth at... you are here now.

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And you know this how?

How do you know what I believe and dont believe?

Wasnt till a few weeks ago many thought I believed in "god".

So, do, please, explain how you know me after only a threads of interaction.

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Im sure many would love to know how you became so omnipotent.

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Tea bagger I have used, since it was what they were calling themselves at the time.

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Yukon Barbie? LOL... I have never used that one. Dont believe I have ever called her Barbie. I do know I have stated emphatically her children should be off limits.

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Once you answer how you know me so well to make that assumption, then we can discuss.

ROFL

Honey, you are posting on a BDSM site! Do you honestly believe NO ONE here knows what teabagging means in the sense most of us take it?

You have GOT to be kidding me. Regardless of how people feel about a political party, there isnt a single kinkster who didnt know its meaning.

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Your trap? You left your door wide open, and you got embarrassed by the response. Dont lay it at my feet, I didnt make your post.

Now, the question to you is.. why is that term a pejorative to Republicans?

http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger

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Trust me, I'll do just fine without your respect.

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Nah... it was simply offered in the same spirit of advice as the delightfully condescending claptrap advice you've been offering me.

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Then it probably wasn't a good idea for you to jump in and 'congratulate' me for my honesty, was it?

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Again, it probably wasn't a good idea for you to congratulate me on my honesty, was it?

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I believe the word you're looking for is 'omniscient.' If I were omnipotent I probably would be doing more interesting things than posting here.

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Look, I KNOW you know what the term 'teabagger' refers to. That's the problem. The term is used to disparage a group of people you don't agree with - because you don't agree with them. That's called bigotry, tazzy.

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How cute. You still think you didn't make a fool out of yourself.

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You mean other than back on page 2 of this thread where you congratulated my honesty for using the term 'racist' to describe Republicans?  I mean, come on, at least pick another THREAD before making ridiculous statements like this. 

You really need to learn about sarcasm, dear.

If you dont want to be the brunt of it, then dont let yourself open to it.

As far as my "believing" what you said in that post was true... I could only believe it was true about yourself, since you were the one posting it.

People like Rich, I happen to respect a great deal, regardless of his political affiliation.

Yes, some of us do respect each other. Drop the pot shots and the silly attempts at your idea of sarcastic wit and you may find that level of respect as well.

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You know, tazzy, I really should warn you... I may be new to this forum, but I'm not new to political forums in general. Indeed this place is a pale shadow of the forum where I cut my teeth.

And this is supposed to do what? Scare me? Make me cower in fear?

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The simple truth is, my earlier statement wasn't an attempt at sarcasm - it was mockery. Your response was EXACTLY what I was hoping for. See, liberals have a HUGE blind spot for their own bigotry.

So you say now. Im not bigoted towards Republicans, I have respect for many of them. I have respect for Democrats. I have respect for independents. What I dont have respect for is someone who wants to treat everything with "sarcasm/mockery" then attack.

Doesnt matter where you cut your teeth at... you are here now.

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Simply put, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to believe that liberals can be bigots in any way.

And you know this how?

How do you know what I believe and dont believe?

Wasnt till a few weeks ago many thought I believed in "god".

So, do, please, explain how you know me after only a threads of interaction.

Im sure many would love to know how you became so omnipotent.

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Even when they use pejorative terms like "tea-bagger" and "Yukon Barbie."

Tea bagger I have used, since it was what they were calling themselves at the time.

Yukon Barbie? LOL... I have never used that one. Dont believe I have ever called her Barbie. I do know I have stated emphatically her children should be off limits.

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It comes from never really engaging in any self-examination

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Once you answer how you know me so well to make that assumption, then we can discuss.

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f you were capable of understanding why using 'tea-bagger' as a pejorative for Republicans is homophobic (and it is), you wouldn't have fallen into my trap

ROFL

Honey, you are posting on a BDSM site! Do you honestly believe NO ONE here knows what teabagging means in the sense most of us take it?

You have GOT to be kidding me. Regardless of how people feel about a political party, there isnt a single kinkster who didnt know its meaning.

Your trap? You left your door wide open, and you got embarrassed by the response. Dont lay it at my feet, I didnt make your post.

Now, the question to you is.. why is that term a pejorative to Republicans?

http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger

Oh, and one more point... something Im sure many here will understand....

I adore cock, I enjoy cock... there is nothing about that whole region that is a turn off for me. I have tea bagged a few men in my life... I am hardly male... and they were hardly gay. To them the idea was met with eagerness... To say the tea bagging is a homophobic reference is indeed showing your ignorance.