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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 9:46:35 AM   
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Wow, "years of work" on the most complex problem in science and it isnt fully developed. Who'da thunk.


My guess is that we'll still be struggling with this theory centuries into the phase whence we've become capable of sub-light travel. And it will be ignored and never solved if space exploration is entirely privatized. They'll be much more interested in outsourcing laborious tasks to lower gravity off planet situations where corporations don't have to pay workers as much because things aren't as heavy

Now here you go, the true blue American capitalist's lust for the future...private space exploration for a whole planets...of slaves.

Finally, a place where we can go where there are no rights inalienable and endowed by their creator. These new slaves will "have no rights any earthling is bound to respect."

Imagine of we'd found sentient but ancient beings on the moon. There would be a round trip MoonBuses leaving Dulles everyday.

Now...get back to work.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 9:50:39 AM   
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there are no rights inalienable

you mean there are rights inalienable or no lienable rights there?



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There was time before the big bang and infinite universes.


I am still confident that my long standing theory that Stephen Hawking is the "anti-life of the party" will survive

...yea man, he never tells you who and how god was created or why or how existence...exists. Dumbass. Who invites him anyway ?

Oh, and also, why before the big bang, there was time and just how would we know it ? Seems to me, if there was such an occurrence as something akin to a big bang that created the universe, then nothing existed and there was no [time]...before it.

Seems to create in our minds such a thing as even a single additional universe...is to create another god.



Like Butch said belief in God is way easier than much of the scientific theory that is out there.

really out there.


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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 10:12:38 AM   
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"They finally have their complete explanation of the birth our Universe."

Glad to hear there are some happy scientists, I hope it lasts a few months or even a year.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 11:01:50 AM   
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Any theory that includes a god increases complexity.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is that?

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 11:46:15 AM   
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there are no rights inalienable

you mean there are rights inalienable or no lienable rights there?
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There was time before the big bang and infinite universes.

I am still confident that my long standing theory that Stephen Hawking is the "anti-life of the party" will survive

...yea man, he never tells you who and how god was created or why or how existence...exists. Dumbass. Who invites him anyway ?

Oh, and also, why before the big bang, there was time and just how would we know it ? Seems to me, if there was such an occurrence as something akin to a big bang that created the universe, then nothing existed and there was no [time]...before it.

Seems to create in our minds such a thing as even a single additional universe...is to create another god.

Like Butch said belief in God is way easier than much of the scientific theory that is out there.

really out there.


Oh they'd have a lien alright...a lifetime lien on your ass. They'll be called Moon Labor Inc. and slaves...er employees and as in the recent 20th century, would work for say 50 years and...owe the boss money. On the moon you see as in America now, the faith would be in the profit of man. Well ok...some men.



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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 4:16:14 PM   
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Wow, "years of work" on the most complex problem in science and it isnt fully developed. Who'da thunk.


My guess is that we'll still be struggling with this theory centuries into the phase whence we've become capable of sub-light travel. And it will be ignored and never solved if space exploration is entirely privatized. They'll be much more interested in outsourcing laborious tasks to lower gravity off planet situations where corporations don't have to pay workers as much because things aren't as heavy


Maybe not, have you heard the theory that if someone manage to look back far enough to observe the big bang itself, it will alter the nature of the big bang and thus alter the nature of the universe?

i.e., The observer being part of the experiment, in altering the initial conditions of the big bang by observing it, the observer could undo themselves, preventing themselves from coming into existence and observing the big bang.

Maybe you're right, we'll probably be struggling with it for centuries because every time we find the answer, we'll have to start over again.

Either that, or find a Trafalmadorian and ask him.


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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 4:20:25 PM   
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Any theory that includes a god increases complexity.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is that?

K.


Try 1 Corinthians 2:11

You can't know what you can't know.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 5:50:52 PM   
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This explains what happened before the singularity – before the big bang. Maybe God is there, no I don’t think so.

There was time before the big bang and infinite universes.

Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQvu4NygAc&NR=1



You will never be able to use science to disprove the existence of god(s). There will always be unknowns and that is where god(s) hides.


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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 7:39:26 PM   
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Any theory that includes a god increases complexity.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is that?

Try 1 Corinthians 2:11

You can't know what you can't know.

I don't know why you're recommending I Corinthians 2:11 to me. I'm not the one claiming to know something, wilbeurdaddy is. But since you brought it up, I'll just mention in passing that the passage you referenced means exactly the opposite of what you claim. It helps to read things in context:
    10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
    11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
In other words, Paul is saying here that by "the Spirit of God" within us we can know "the deep things of God."

K.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 7:49:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course that means we have to take your word for it - and what man knoweth the things of a man? Which vastly increaseth the complexity of that particular hypothesis.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 7:54:17 PM   
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Of course that means we have to take your word for it

"Of course that means" you have take my word for what, precisely? Would you like someone to verify the English for you, or are you implying something else?

K.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:16:43 PM   
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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:34:19 PM   
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Your word that the spirit of god is in you of course.

Oh. My word that the spirit of God is within me. Of course. Silly Kirata. And since you're not a lying little shit, you'll be only too happy to point out where my "word" to that effect can be found. Right?

K.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:37:05 PM   
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After years of work, M-Theory still remains incomplete and of dubious testability and predictive power. Odd you should have such faith in it as the "explanation" of anything. But I guess that's just the nature of faith, eh? And, of course, you want others to know the truth too. I understand perfectly. You're a good little missionary. When you die you'll go to the Big Brane in the sky.

K.







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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:48:09 PM   
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Your word that the spirit of god is in you of course.

Oh. My word that the spirit of God is within me. Of course. Silly Kirata. And since you're not a lying little shit, you'll be only too happy to point out where my "word" to that effect can be found. Right?

K.
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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:55:07 PM   
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Your word, anybodies word - the royal you, y'all.

Unh huh... yeah right. I accept your apology.

K.

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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 8:58:00 PM   
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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 9:48:05 PM   
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Mighty Christian of you.

My goodness, you do have a droll sense of humor. You're the one who came in here waving the Bible, citing chapter and verse like a Sunday morning preacher, claiming I Corinthians 2:11 means something it doesn't. Did it never occur to you that somebody might look it up and see that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about?

Or did you think everyone would just... damn, what's the phrase I want, oh wait I know... "take your word for it."

K.




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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 10:02:44 PM   
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My favoritist is:

You were created from a mans rib that you might lay you beside him and blow him.



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RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/25/2011 10:12:05 PM   
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Mighty Christian of you.

My goodness, you do have a droll sense of humor. You're the one who came in here waving the Bible, citing chapter and verse like a Sunday morning preacher, claiming I Corinthians 2:11 means something it doesn't. Did it never occur to you that somebody might look it up and see that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about?

Or did you think everyone would just... damn, what's the phrase I want, oh wait I know... "take your word for it."

K.



I don't recall offering any interpretation whatsoever, seems pretty clear to me, the unknown variables rapidly begin to multiply, it's the nature of the beast.

You explained the obvious,  so... what?

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