Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 2:28:15 PM   
xssve


Posts: 3589
Joined: 10/10/2009
Status: offline
quote:

Something else 'existed' (certainly a misnomer, but while english is a pretty rich and bountiful language, there are some things it just is incapable of).


That would be the not-nothingness.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 81
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:20:52 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

Either way, nothingness into somethingness and something into nothingness would both seem to violate the law of conservation of energy, which is usually thought to apply to god - i.e., "always was, always will be".



But nothingness into something doesnt violate the conservation laws as long as the sum total of matter/anti-matter (or their energy equivalents) doesnt change. Conservation hasn't been in a concern regarding the creation of something out of the vacuum since Einstein, relativity clearly allows for it. The unresolved issue is whether the equivalent of anti-matter is ordinary energy or anti-energy.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to xssve)
Profile   Post #: 82
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:24:58 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		or it is not a closed system.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 83
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:29:21 PM   
blacksword404


Posts: 2068
Joined: 1/4/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it.


You are reinforcing my point not disputing it.


What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument.

_____________________________

Don't fight him. Embrace your inner asshole.

Tu fellas magnus penum meum...iterum

Genuine catnip/kryptonite.
Ego sum erus.

The capacity to learn is a gift, the ability to learn a skill, the willingness to learn a choice. Dune HH

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 84
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:32:26 PM   
blacksword404


Posts: 2068
Joined: 1/4/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve
True, but until you do it's speculation.



True.

< Message edited by blacksword404 -- 5/27/2011 3:36:26 PM >

_____________________________

Don't fight him. Embrace your inner asshole.

Tu fellas magnus penum meum...iterum

Genuine catnip/kryptonite.
Ego sum erus.

The capacity to learn is a gift, the ability to learn a skill, the willingness to learn a choice. Dune HH

(in reply to xssve)
Profile   Post #: 85
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:35:59 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: blacksword404


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it.


You are reinforcing my point not disputing it.


What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument.


Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to blacksword404)
Profile   Post #: 86
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 3:38:45 PM   
blacksword404


Posts: 2068
Joined: 1/4/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory.


Ok. I'll think on that.

_____________________________

Don't fight him. Embrace your inner asshole.

Tu fellas magnus penum meum...iterum

Genuine catnip/kryptonite.
Ego sum erus.

The capacity to learn is a gift, the ability to learn a skill, the willingness to learn a choice. Dune HH

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 87
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 4:13:12 PM   
hardcybermaster


Posts: 904
Joined: 10/6/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub



It does amaze me when people deny the possibility of a God yet feel perfectly comfortable ascribing all of creation to wildly speculative theories with absolutely no proof. This theory is no less fantastic and unbelievable then the existence of an advanced all powerful being.

Butch


but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing.
As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 88
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 4:30:59 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub



It does amaze me when people deny the possibility of a God yet feel perfectly comfortable ascribing all of creation to wildly speculative theories with absolutely no proof. This theory is no less fantastic and unbelievable then the existence of an advanced all powerful being.

Butch


but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing.
As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"


Damn, I thought that quote was "being a liberal requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"


_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to hardcybermaster)
Profile   Post #: 89
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 6:32:43 PM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline
quote:

but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing.
As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"


And I agree with you...except the little quote at the end... I think people who have an open mind to all possibilities are the smart ones...I keep an open mind.

Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to hardcybermaster)
Profile   Post #: 90
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 8:29:34 PM   
xssve


Posts: 3589
Joined: 10/10/2009
Status: offline 		"Quantum foam"- I'm partial to that one for aesthetic reasons.

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 91
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 8:33:26 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

"Quantum foam"- I'm partial to that one for aesthetic reasons.


Yes..the natural result of conservation not being violated by pair production.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to xssve)
Profile   Post #: 92
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 9:30:52 PM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

HERE is a short interesting discussion of that possibility.

Appropos the brief conversation you linked to above, I think you (and perhaps some others) may find the following presentation extraordinarily interesting.

The Primacy of Consciousness

Running time: 69 minutes.

K.

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 93
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 9:36:27 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

HERE is a short interesting discussion of that possibility.

Appropos the brief conversation you linked to above, I think you (and perhaps some others) may find the following presentation extraordinarily interesting.

The Primacy of Consciousness

Running time: 69 minutes.

K.


He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to Kirata)
Profile   Post #: 94
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 10:26:52 PM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you.

I've never actually listened to Tony Roberts. All I've ever seen of him is some short exceedingly toothy sound bites. Isn't he some kind of motivational speaker? I don't recall Russell getting into anything like how to find love, or success, or make your life fuller, healthier, and richer, etc.

Nevertheless, those few sound bites were enough to incline me to ask you not to explain.

K.

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 95
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 10:32:23 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you.

I've never actually listened to Tony Roberts. All I've ever seen of him is some short exceedingly toothy sound bites. Isn't he some kind of motivational speaker? I don't recall Russell getting into anything like how to find love, or success, or make your life fuller, healthier, and richer, etc.

Nevertheless, those few sound bites were enough to incline me to ask you not to explain.

K.


I dont know if he goes that far in this clip but Russell is very much into preaching "self realization and fulfillment" using a cosmic consciousness approach.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to Kirata)
Profile   Post #: 96
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/27/2011 10:46:02 PM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
Shows you how familiar I am with the guy, you've got me saying "Tony Roberts" too. It's Tony Robbins. Those brain cells just woke up. Fuck. Now I have to coax them back to sleep again. This is all your fault. Thanks a lot.

K.



< Message edited by Kirata -- 5/27/2011 11:26:58 PM >

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 97
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/28/2011 3:39:07 AM   
blacksword404


Posts: 2068
Joined: 1/4/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: blacksword404


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it.


You are reinforcing my point not disputing it.


What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument.


Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory.


My answer would have to be not necessarily. A lot depends on what theory is used.

_____________________________

Don't fight him. Embrace your inner asshole.

Tu fellas magnus penum meum...iterum

Genuine catnip/kryptonite.
Ego sum erus.

The capacity to learn is a gift, the ability to learn a skill, the willingness to learn a choice. Dune HH

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 98
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/28/2011 4:34:36 AM   
rulemylife


Posts: 14614
Joined: 8/23/2004
Status: offline 		I've banged a couple big girls.

Wait........is that was this thread is about?






< Message edited by rulemylife -- 5/28/2011 4:35:28 AM >

(in reply to Brain)
Profile   Post #: 99
RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Paralle... - 5/28/2011 6:04:21 AM   
xssve


Posts: 3589
Joined: 10/10/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I've banged a couple big girls.

Wait........is that was this thread is about?



Origins

I speak in two

sometimes    one grows from many
sometimes    many splits from one

two    the birth of deathly life
two    the leaving off

birth    the union of all makes and kills
leaving off    strips and is stripped

when deathly life divides itself
exchanges never cease

sometimes    through Love everything grows into one
sometimes    through Hate everyone splits into two

--------------

Fire and Water and Earth and the unfilled measure of Air

Hate Hated twice by the roots equals them
Love that's in them becomes their friend by the length and width

mind, look at her
don't sit there eyes astounded

born in their bodies
men worship her

she makes them think of desire
doing what joins them in peace and friendship

so they call her JOYOUS JOINER
Gethosyne           Aphrodite

no one alive has seen her
because she swirls in their eyes

all the roots are equal
the same in birth and age

ruling with different honor
each according to their nature
--------------

Excerpts from Empedocles, From Nature
c. 800 B.C.





(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 100
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109