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RE: Black Masters - 5/12/2006 9:15:48 PM

Misstoyou

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

hope this doesnt hijack......

but with the RL slavery that has occured for the african americans of past, did that make it harder for her to recognize her submission?

*His* submission. We talked about his first inklings of his submissive feelings, and it was as a young boy watching re-runs of the Avengers watching Mrs. Peel in her boots, kicking butt.

His race is part of who he is, of course, and not ignored, but his interest in the lifestyle, or conflicts within his interest in the lifestyle, doesn't have much to do with U.S. slave history.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/12/2006 9:18:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Misstoyou

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black submissives are what always intrigued me ...........

And speaking as the proud and satisfied owner of one, rightfully so.

I do concur wholeheartedly, as I am a VERY pleased and proud owner of a lovely black slave. As a matter of fact, she brings me great joy.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/12/2006 9:24:47 PM

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ouch, sorry for the assumption!

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RE: Black Masters - 5/12/2006 9:25:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

quote:

ORIGINAL: Misstoyou

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

black submissives are what always intrigued me ...........

And speaking as the proud and satisfied owner of one, rightfully so.

I do concur wholeheartedly, as I am a VERY pleased and proud owner of a lovely black slave. As a matter of fact, she brings me great joy.

Does your slave satifsy you, bring you joy, and make you proud because of skin color or because of his/ her servitude?

Blessed Be,
Phoenix's Nika

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RE: Black Masters - 5/12/2006 9:31:50 PM

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Well I hope this doesnt sound racist..but I think black people are more in touch with their sensuality, they have an earthiness about them...I also find it in native type people...i think there are differences in races....but that doesnt mean to say a white person cant have that too...I just think its less common.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 5:02:58 AM

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I think it's the person, not the color of his or her skin. Now, one may argue that ethnic background could (and prolly does) enter into it, but I find that it's how individuals react to each other that counts.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 6:35:27 AM

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Wait you say that black men are superior to white men then you say you aren't a racist?

I think she's infering that this is simply her choice and preference, thus feels more like this is where she is meant to be - in service to a Black Master. I am 99.44 percent sure that she is not being a racist, at least that's not what I get from her posts. That's just where her heart is, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

actually, MrMister, she was quoting the OP, who was I'm assuming quoting her "blackmaster" in saying that "He never makes me feel inferior, but he does remind me that Black men are superior to white men."
And to that I have this reply.... bullshit.
Now, I'm not giving that response because of racism, bigotry, or even because I'm Caucasian... I'm just saying its pure bullshit because I've YET in 32 years found a Man thats superior to Me.... many that are equal yes, of all races, none superior... just as I don't think I'm superior to anyone else... except maybe close minded morons that think skin color makes them more Dominant than someone else.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 6:40:17 AM

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this appears to be one of those very taboo topics.....granted...it may be of interest to many...but the reality of speaking openly about it....well let's just say....no-one want's to insert their foot in mouth with a reply where just one misplaced word or phrase...will make it appear they're something they're not....

we connect to whoever we do for our own reasons...be they overt or covert motives...purely to own..or serve.......color is just another factor in the mix of this rainbow of a lifestyle.....

I know I didn't say anything profound...or open the pandoras box this topic could generate.....but I think most will read a little on this and then pass it by without comment.....as most know within their hearts and minds...the level of their depth on interacial interaction and their comfort in personal relations to same....

one day...I do wish...this were an open and completely colorblind existence....but that won't happen in my lifetime.....so in the meantime..... most....will stay comfortable...doing the things they do....with those they feel comfortable doing them with....(unless comfort isn't a consideration and you step outside the box)

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 6:43:40 AM

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I bet you claim you aren't racist but your post implies racism.

I don't argue with the quality of the man you are involved with, I don't know him but if it is his skin colour that affects you, you really need to examine what you are saying.

Other than that, whatever rocks your boat.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 6:46:55 AM

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hello i dont feel there are enough BlackMasters here on collar me , and what is really taboo this is the lifestyle where taboo doesnt exsist, wright back would like to know more

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:05:08 AM

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I pray to differ with you, there are taboos that aren't well received in the BD/SM/Ds groups that, I've associated with over the decades that, I've practiced as a Doctor of Delicious Deviance. Pedophilia is a castrating offense just before there's a grenade stuffed up their asses in most of the groups that, I've conversed with.
Necrophilia is another that would bring severe consequences if you were the mortician and you were caught molesting the corpse.
Abusers are another group of trash that should meet with some events that leaves them injured and exposed to some payback from their victims.
There are those that still think tribal and are fearful of expressing their dislike of their men or women dating outside their tribe or race.
There are those that consider bi-, Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered and even hermorphidites freaks of nature and refuse to accept that they have every right to practice their own sexuality without being judged by the likes of, jerky fartwell and his counterparts in any other religion that persecutes them by defaming them as humans.
Taboos are alive and well, after all, we are only human no matter how free of judgemental practices we claim to be.
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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:13:55 AM

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I've found that where taboo "shouldn't" exist is the place where it speaks the loudest. I feel there is a lack of respect for some for black dom/mmes. Someone emailed me saying all kinds of nasty racist things and called me a monkey the other day. Totally uncalled for. I'm not playing a race card...just an opinion based on some observations.

I don't see the post as implying any type of racism. Just a point of view. Unfortunately, all types of interpretations can/have/will arise out of it. I agree with Tolerablecruelty in that i've never met anyone I felt was superior to me nor have I felt that I am superior to anyone else. I'm just me and this is how I am. And to MstrFury the only way we will have a world where color is irrelevant is when the whole damn world is ONE color. and that is already starting to happen. (The Browning of America, Time Magazine, 1990)

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:15:16 AM

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Let Me say that Most seek to serve Me do not desire to serve a Ivory Domme and I question that. BDSM is not about color but about a Wonderful Lifestyle.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:17:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

Does your slave satifsy you, bring you joy, and make you proud because of skin color or because of his/ her servitude?

The connection I have with her is on many levels, ALL of which appeal to me. There is not one aspect that rises above any other, and certainly not solely because of her skin color. But I will say this in all honesty, I do love the color of her silky smooth skin. But as I said, it is definitely not the motivating factor that drives my desire to have her in my life. I love her with all my heart, and I am there for her just as equally as she is for me. I could go on with a myriad of reasons, but that would be too much info right now and I don't wish to hijack this thread with my rambling.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:26:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

actually, MrMister, she was quoting the OP, who was I'm assuming quoting her "blackmaster" in saying that "He never makes me feel inferior, but he does remind me that Black men are superior to white men."
And to that I have this reply.... bullshit.
Now, I'm not giving that response because of racism, bigotry, or even because I'm Caucasian... I'm just saying its pure bullshit because I've YET in 32 years found a Man thats superior to Me.... many that are equal yes, of all races, none superior... just as I don't think I'm superior to anyone else... except maybe close minded morons that think skin color makes them more Dominant than someone else.

T.R.

Obviously, I can not speak for the OP, but what I gather from reading her post, especially the one that you've just mentioned, that this is how it directly effects her in her submission to her Dom. The reasons do indeed vary for each of us regarding what we desire, want, and need in our lives, particularly this lifestyle. So what if she is feeling this way about feeling inferior to her Dom. Why is it that anyone would want be so quick to pass judgment on others here based upon their individual choice and preference? Isn't that what this lifestyle is all about, acceptance of other regardless of wiitwd?

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:27:43 AM

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BDSM is about whatever I want it to be about. If deep inside of me, I know the reason I want to submit is because of a racial issue, positive, negative, or zero value, then that's something I can't change.

One of the triggers I look back on in my life was reading a book on vampires and being fascinated by the idea of being captured by vampires. To this day, this is a fantasy of mine.

What if someone read a book on slavery in the 1700s and was fascinated by that? Would they not be good submissives simply because one of the triggers in their lives had been a racial one? Would they be racist for wanting to play out that scenario (black sub), or reversing that scenario (white sub, black dom)? Not saying this is their motivation for it, and many people do not see colour, but what if?

Because of the strong emphasis in our culture on race issues, mostly in a positive way, some people are bound to make it into a fetish, fantasy, or have a fascination with it.

Just throwing it out there.

Yours,

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:32:43 AM

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Very good point benji. It should not matter, especially within the confines of this lifestyle. As long as each is a consenting adult, and never truly disrespected by the other (or even allowed to be disrespected by others) there is not a problem with this.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:33:39 AM

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hi all this is the first time I am posting to a thread on here, damn hope I get it right!!!

Guess I qualify as a black submissive (are we really such a rare bunch??) though this is the first time I have ever thought of myself in this category... my nationality (Australian) or my gender (female) are always the first words I would think to add to the word 'submissive' to describe myself but I guess it would be naiive to assume that others do not categorise me based on skin colour after seeing my photo. Hmmm, maybe thats why people always ask me where I am 'really' from even after I have told them I was born in Victoria.... laughs.

A rambling start but the short answer for me is that what makes people more or less dominant in my mind is their personality, what they say, their actions and my own interractions with them via the computer or r/t.

cheers

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:37:58 AM

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benji...no way! That's always been a fantasy of mine...still is. And I still read vampire books...just finished one.

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RE: Black Masters - 5/13/2006 7:38:17 AM

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This is going to sound trite but its how I honestly feel; I can't explain it ... It just is.

I was raised in an extremely racisit home. Everyone in my family, and I do mean everyone, thinks of anyone who is not white as being inferior. I spent 17 years of my life surrounded by derogatory comments against anyone who's skin tone was just a little bit different than ours. I never understood it ... I was allowed to play with girls of other skin tones and races but never boys, even if the brothers of the girls I was playing with were off limits. I wasn't allowed to sleep over at their house but they were welcome to come to mine ...

And sometimes I wonder, did they feel the undercurrent of distaste that my family had for them? It was never obvious, they never once called a black person a nasty name to his or her face (although my father called a black man boy once, just once, and backhanded me when I innocently pointed out that the man was almost the same age as my father and therefore couldn't be a boy) ... I think they must have and it makes me sad because I want to go back to these people and let them know that I'm not like that, that I never saw them as being less than or different than me. But would they believe me if I did? Hmm ...

When I see people, I dont see color. When I say someone is beautiful or sexy or attractive, its because the entire package ... color, structure, features, and personality all work together and create a beautiful of sexy or attractive person. When I say I dislike someone, its because they display an attitude, personality or moral code that offends me and have given me a reason to dislike them.

As a child I often envied the black girls in my class at school because they got to wear their hair in all those braids and have beads and other things woven into the hair and I always thought that was so creative and beautiful and different. I loved how they could spend time in the sun and not come back looking like a lobster and I'm very envious of black women's butts mostly becaue I'm cursed with the white girl butt, nothing there. lol But I never once thought of anyone as being superior or inferior to me.

As for the OP, I've never had a black Master although I have been approached and admired by black men in the past. Things just never worked out between us ... Usually a distance thing or just bad timing. I think I would be extremely turned off if I were to submit to any man and he revealed to me that he felt our match was more right somehow because of the colours of our skin. Admiring my features is one thing, drawing comparisons of superiority and inferiority from them is another entirely.

When I had red hair I was approached by men from various other countries and a few of them did comment that the biggest part of their attraction to me was because of how I differed from women of their own countries and ethnicities ... The red hair, green eyes, pale skin (alas no freckles) ... They would often ask if I was wild in bed because of my hair and eyes. That always struck me as being absurd.

I honestly feel more comfortable as a brunette (or any other color because god knows I've tried every shade under the sun), even though I have to color my hair to keep it this way, because so many men gravitate to redheads, expecting a certain attitude or fire about them. It disgusts me to judge a person based on how they look or how God put them together. If the dynamic is there, its going to be there regardless.

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